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Are we in step 2 ? :D
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technically im a rookie
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change that 8 for a 9 and I am too 8)
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Takes much time to count top 10 for each category?
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roope wrote:Takes much time to count top 10 for each category?
Yes. But hopefully the Third Step will start around the 20th.
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The Third Step will most likely start on Saturday. The final show will be in the beginning of February, but the date is not decided yet.

I might get some input here though: What day of the week is preferred? Usually we've held it on a Sunday, except in 2003 when it was on a Saturday and in 2004 when it was on a Friday. I suppose most people prefer Sundays over Saturdays, but how about other days of the week?
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Thursday at 4am would be fine.
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I wish the show could be on Tuesday, 9th of February, because i have to go for my winter holidays (i have in 1nd to 14th) away from home, and will be back there probably on Sunday or Monday, 7th or 8th ;x. Or maybe the next Sunday, 14th, but i guess you dont want it to be so late... damn, i may miss the show :(
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I vote for Sunday. Best of the best.
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+1 jury vote for sunday : )
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Third step of the voting process

Here follow the nominees made by the jury.

Internalist
Bjorn
Cap
Jarkko
John
Kazan
Madness
Mielz
Raven
talli
Zweq


Externalist
adi
Bjorn
BoneLESS
GRob
Kazan
Kopaka
NightMar
Red
Xiphias
York


Battler
adi
Bjorn
GRob
jaytea
Kazan
Markku
talli
Xiphias
YEAHS
Zweq


Rookie
Ecchi
kabii
Kazeta
Kiiwi
Johnson
Mielz
Thorze
Thunder


Designer
Antz
barryp
igge
Jeppe
Juish
Mawane
Nekit
Pab
Ramone
umiz


Team
27
EPO
EF
HHIT
KFC
MiE
NGT
NK
SPEED
WNO


WR
05. Uphill Battle: 19,79 Jarkko #301
07. Hi Flyer: 28,32 Zweq #302
13. Hill Legend: 13,95 Raven #300
15. Serpents Tale: 51,50 talli #298
16. New Wave: 1:23,67 Kazan #297
28. Bounce Back: 48,86 Zweq #302
31. Animal Farm: 1:12,41 John #298
33. Zig Zag: 55,19 Cap #301
46. Bowling: 52,44 Zweq #300
49. What the Heck: 37,95 John #299


Style
BoneLESS's TEH07
Dynamo's TEH04
John/AnpDaD's New Wave
Labs's He He
Kazan's Sink middle
NightMar's mwc07
Raven's Labyrinth Pro middle turn trick
talli's Serpents Tale
Zweq's High Flyer (new higher brutal style)
Style pack (the needed levels included)
For Labs's He He style, watch this video, for talli's Serpents Tale, watch this



Replay
07. Hi Flyer: Not finished (07zwoot7.rec) Zweq
23. Quick Round: 35,79 Raven
27. Shelf Life: 34,27 Kazan
29. Headbanger: 43,26 Bjorn
35. Labyrinth Pro: 2:14,32 Zweq
ChainPII.lev: 19:11,69 adi
mwc07.lev: 33,04 NightMar
OYLP29.lev: 15,36 Lukazz
TEH04.lev: 39,82 BoneLESS
TEH08.lev: 1:04,07 adi
Replay pack (the needed levels included)


Level
antz614.lev antz614 by Antz
BC412.lev Total Banana by Ramone
BC413.lev First Banana Finish by zebra
ChainPII.lev Chain Pie II MPFKBJKZB by Mawane et al.
Dave010.lev Dave010 by igge
Ram772.lev First Fucking Finish by Ramone
sveigge2.lev svojby by igge and SveinR
TEH03.lev Barely Touched by igge
TEH04.lev Kopas Playground by Kopaka
vjxb3b33.lev Poseidon by Ville_J
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Contest
Banana Cup 4
Gsla levelpack
JoPi levelpack
Kopasite King List
MawCup
Mega Bounce Pack
First Finish Cups
The Power Of Full Engagement
Spring Run
TEH Cup


Contribution
Jappe2: Making lots of videos, also does them for others. Showed how to capture, edit and create a movie, helps with EOL
Kopaka: Working on the new Elma Online site, made the Open Source Automated Cup Website, updates Kopasite, organized TEH Cup, GAA jury member
Mawane: Constantly producing quality levels and battles, makes belma shirts for others, organized MawCup, helped with french translations and did other projects like mawrap and Chain Pipe II
Pawq: Updates the Best Internal Total Times (under 40 minutes) list and the list of the best Professional Replays
Ramone: Making lots of high quality levels for belma
Raven: Updates the World Top 10 Times list, in charge of the Kuski of Month award, GAA jury member
Smibu: Made the Level Manager and Replay Manager programs, did belma and ALE fixes
SveinR: GAA organizer, Multi WR updater, Mopolauta admin
totem: Made the Run Replay Offline program
zworqy: Maintaining the belma server


Achievement
adi: Great external results
ap: Got his 1st WR on table #295 with Hi Flyer, some impressive times on kopasite, put himself on the map as a great player
John: Being the first to break the 36 minute limit in total time, continues to be on the #1 spot
Kowal: Getting all 54 internal times World Class
Mielz: Improved his total time greatly, from 46:xx to 38:xx in less than a year
talli: Got 36 TT, pulled off and got WR with legendary Serpents Tale style
zaraptor: Got his first two WRs on the same table (#302)
Zweq: Got TT under 36 mins, got 36:41,75 in 24 hour TT, continues to get great WRs with new styles


Site
Elasto Mania Club
Elasto Mania Stats Compare
Elma Online
JoPi site
Kopasite
Mopolauta
Moposite
Skintatious
TEH Cup site
Zworqy's site


Art
Coc0k: 300 AVR Parts 1 & 2
DaFred: Giraffe and Zebra picture
igge: CETcast series and other movies
Jappe2: His movies
Leeland: Banana Cup 4 poster
Mawane: Belma shirts (that topic contains a selection)
Mawane: mawrap
Pab: APipe levels and How to make APipes video
Rast: Wooden kuski carving
Xiphias: Iggemen - Part 1 - The one with Nigge movie


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This will be an award decided entirely by the community. You will vote for the people you think most deserve a special honour, be it for their helpfulness, kindness, contributions or simply for being a great player. The reason will be the individual voters' own decision. The idea is that the award will go to the kuski most appreciated by the community. There will be no set of candidates to vote over in this category, each voter decides himself.
The voting process for this award is therefore different, see below.


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You are only eligible to vote if you are one of the following kuskis (why?) (listed in alphabetical order):

adi, Alma, Bismuth, Blud, Cap, CuLiNo, Costya, Chris, Ecchi, FinMan, _FreaK_, gimp, Haruhi, insane guy, Jappe2, Jarkko, John, Juish, k0en94, Kazeta, Kiiwi, kinghias, Koopa, Labs, Lukazz, Madness, Marian, Mawane, Mielz, Mika_27, Morgan, nick-o-matic, Pab, Pawq, Quinn, ramone, roope, sla, Thorze, Xiphias, zebra, zworqy

Voting instructions: When voting, send a PM to SveinR with your votes. The votes have to be given in ranked order, from 1st to 5th. Each 1st position will give 5 points, each 2nd position will give 4 points, etc. The jury will assemble these points when the voting process has ended. You can only vote and send a PM once. Do not make your votes public in this thread.
Remember that you don't have to vote in each and every category, but in the categories you do vote in, you have to pick your top 5. Your vote won't count otherwise.

In all categories: Only base your votes on what has happened in the GAA period.
Site: Vote for the sites that have improved the most and increased its relevance the most over the GAA period.
WRs: See http://www.moposite.com/records_elma_wrs.php

Voting for the Community Award: You will list up to 3 people, in ranked order from 1st to 3rd. Each 1st position will give 5 points, each 2nd position will give 3 points and each 3rd position will give 1 point. Send your votes in this category in the same PM as your other votes. You do not have to vote in this category. I would encourage people to write a few words about the people you vote for (if you have something specific to mention), because when we present the winner of this category, we'll include your reasons behind voting for him in some sort of speech. This speech will be based on what you've written.

Deadline of sending in your votes: Tuesday February 2nd 2010, 23:59 EET (GMT+2)
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A really nice comprehensive list this year, very nice! Especially contributions :P

anyways, one WR made me laugh... 13. Hill Legend 13.95 by Raven ;)
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thunder = rookie? he played from like 2001 atleast
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Is it the same thunder though?
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yes i think so
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No. Thundr- [GF] is who you speak of, and is a different kuski. Thunder is still a little prior to the time period i believe.
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Haruhi wrote:Thunder is still a little prior to the time period i believe.
At least he didn't join lauta before November 2008, and registered on Moposite in September 2008. That's inside the criteria for Rookie.
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SveinR: The link "why" takes me to the instructions in a previous post from you. Although the rules are clearly stated, it doesn't really say why only those from the first step are eligible to vote other than you want to some some activity during this process. Is this the "only" reason, is it to prevent votes from random kuskis?

This is not criticism from me, I'm just curious.
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"The criterias for being allowed to vote are: Well-known kuski (decided by the jury) and the kuski has posted some suggestions in the first step (so we see that he has been active during the whole process) OR you don't have to be well-known IF you posted a nice suggestion list with reasonable arguments."
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I think the final step really detracts from the GAAs' value.

It's like saying: "Here, we'll let the community decide who they think deserves the awards."
"Now, let's just disregard these votes and let these 6 popular players decide."

In summary, ban all.
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zaraptor wrote:I think the final step really detracts from the GAAs' value.

It's like saying: "Here, we'll let the community decide who they think deserves the awards."
"Now, let's just disregard these votes and let these 6 popular players decide."

In summary, ban all.
I kind of agree with this one. Good example is when HighQ won the best LGR many years ago.
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Boomer wrote:SveinR: The link "why" takes me to the instructions in a previous post from you. Although the rules are clearly stated, it doesn't really say why only those from the first step are eligible to vote other than you want to some some activity during this process. Is this the "only" reason, is it to prevent votes from random kuskis?

This is not criticism from me, I'm just curious.
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Another reason is to make sure those who vote have been active so they "know what they're voting for".
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Ville_J wrote:
zaraptor wrote:I think the final step really detracts from the GAAs' value.

It's like saying: "Here, we'll let the community decide who they think deserves the awards."
"Now, let's just disregard these votes and let these 6 popular players decide."

In summary, ban all.
I kind of agree with this one. Good example is when HighQ won the best LGR many years ago.
That was back in GAA04, the community has more power now. Back then, the #1 pick from the community got 1 vote. Now, the #1 pick gets 2 votes and the #2 pick gets 1 vote (as well as that the community vote matters in case of a draw). Looking at the history from the past years, the #1 pick from the community also gets the GAA in most cases, usually there are just 2-3 categories where that doesn't happen.

But I am open for changing this. I've put this up for discussion among the jury the past years, but the conclusion has been to keep the system as it is now. Here are some thoughts about the matter that I wrote for this year's GAA preparations:

No jury votes in the Fifth step. This has been up for discussion before, but the conclusion has always been to keep the jury votes, with the main reasoning that it makes the GAA seem more official. However I do find that the community as a whole make sound, reasonable decisions in the Third step, so there definitely is an argument for letting the community's points decide everything. In most cases the community's winner is the winner after the jury votes have been cast too; it tends to differ in about 2 categories (last year perhaps was an anomaly: In a total of 4 categories, the ultimate winner was different from the one who got most points from the community). But of course, the jury members have very good reasons for voting differently, and they are after all picked because of their good knowledge of the elma scene. And we also have the Community Award, where the community does in fact decide everything, with no input from the jury.


I would be very interested in hearing more opinions about this from the community. Perhaps I should make a poll?
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Ok, thanks for the answer SveinR. Actually, I decided to not nominate and vote this year since I've been quite inactive last year. Will be interesting to see the results though.
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Removed fedosik and Nekit from Rookie nominees, as new information showed them to be ineligible.

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SveinR wrote:Removed fedosik and Nekit from Rookie nominees, as new information showed them to be ineligible.

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Dead One? Koopa? -Nico-o? :)
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nick-o-matic wrote:Dead One? Koopa? -Nico-o? :)
Koopa is not eligible either.

But they'll be left at 8, that way people don't have to redo their votes, and it's clear who the nominees are.
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SveinR wrote:
Ville_J wrote:
zaraptor wrote:I think the final step really detracts from the GAAs' value.

It's like saying: "Here, we'll let the community decide who they think deserves the awards."
"Now, let's just disregard these votes and let these 6 popular players decide."

In summary, ban all.
I kind of agree with this one. Good example is when HighQ won the best LGR many years ago.
That was back in GAA04, the community has more power now. Back then, the #1 pick from the community got 1 vote. Now, the #1 pick gets 2 votes and the #2 pick gets 1 vote (as well as that the community vote matters in case of a draw). Looking at the history from the past years, the #1 pick from the community also gets the GAA in most cases, usually there are just 2-3 categories where that doesn't happen.

But I am open for changing this. I've put this up for discussion among the jury the past years, but the conclusion has been to keep the system as it is now. Here are some thoughts about the matter that I wrote for this year's GAA preparations:

No jury votes in the Fifth step. This has been up for discussion before, but the conclusion has always been to keep the jury votes, with the main reasoning that it makes the GAA seem more official. However I do find that the community as a whole make sound, reasonable decisions in the Third step, so there definitely is an argument for letting the community's points decide everything. In most cases the community's winner is the winner after the jury votes have been cast too; it tends to differ in about 2 categories (last year perhaps was an anomaly: In a total of 4 categories, the ultimate winner was different from the one who got most points from the community). But of course, the jury members have very good reasons for voting differently, and they are after all picked because of their good knowledge of the elma scene. And we also have the Community Award, where the community does in fact decide everything, with no input from the jury.


I would be very interested in hearing more opinions about this from the community. Perhaps I should make a poll?
I too think the jusy has too much power. For instance, most of the jury members (Zebra is a good example) are nominated in so many categories. I'm not questioning Zebra's judgement, only saying that a person who has created something is often very proud of this and have stronger feelings towards this than other people's work. It's completely natural and this is why I think that either the jury is 100% objective and neutral (not nominated in anything); this would however be very hard since most nominated kuskis are old schoolers which are also perfect candidates for a jury member. Either that, or the community have at least 51% of the saying.

I remember when I was nominated for GAA contest. I felt like such an underdog with zebra in the jury :P. On the other hand that is one example where the jury votes actually fell in the other directions which could kill my previous point. It's definately up for discussion! I'm glad you brought this up SveinR!
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niN wrote:I too think the jusy has too much power. For instance, most of the jury members (Zebra is a good example) are nominated in so many categories. I'm not questioning Zebra's judgement, only saying that a person who has created something is often very proud of this and have stronger feelings towards this than other people's work. It's completely natural and this is why I think that either the jury is 100% objective and neutral (not nominated in anything); this would however be very hard since most nominated kuskis are old schoolers which are also perfect candidates for a jury member. Either that, or the community have at least 51% of the saying.
The rules for the jury's voting states that a jury member cannot vote for himself, but he can choose to not vote in a category where he is nominated.
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ooooh, sorry I didn't know that! Well, my opinion is still pretty much the same.
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this gaa sax, i should have been nominated in every category and i'm not in any:/
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Re: Golden Apple Awards 2009

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It's pretty clear you're gonna win the Community award though, since your influence is evidently connected with almost every field eventhough only indirectly.

And that's no cynism, that's what I personally believe. I hope other people do too.
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Re: Golden Apple Awards 2009

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hey, and what's wrong with Nekit as rookie? I was going to vote for him.
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Costya wrote:hey, and what's wrong with Nekit as rookie? I was going to vote for him.
He has played for too long time already I guess.
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nick-o-matic wrote:
Costya wrote:hey, and what's wrong with Nekit as rookie? I was going to vote for him.
He has played for too long time already I guess.
According the rules, no matter how long he played before, but its important when he entered the scene. For example, fedosik is russian oldschooller well known in our scene so i agree with his elimination. But i've never heared abour Nekit till this year.
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Nekit's been in the scene for too long, anyway.
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Costya wrote:According the rules, no matter how long he played before, but its important when he entered the scene. For example, fedosik is russian oldschooller well known in our scene so i agree with his elimination. But i've never heared abour Nekit till this year.
Nekit played battles in belma in August 2008, which makes him ineligible. But obviously we agree he was a good choice for Rookie, had he not been ineligible, since we originally nominated him.
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is this one month difference of entrance between nekit (august) and thunder (september) enough to eliminate one and keep the other?
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Costya we cant even start being flexible for things like that or soon abula is a rookie again,.
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ok, then it shows the real role of jury in voting process. some people suggest Nekit as good candidature, but jury said "no". but in this case it seems that we, jury, are more clever then you, scene, so it will be us who decide who is real good candidature for rookie.
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Costya wrote:ok, then it shows the real role of jury in voting process. some people suggest Nekit as good candidature, but jury said "no". but in this case it seems that we, jury, are more clever then you, scene, so it will be us who decide who is real good candidature for rookie.
Actually, most of the scene didn't have a fucking clue when thunder joined. I have in several previous posts, provided an accurate guide of who is and isn't eligible. SveinR has seen this.
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i could say that thunder entered much earlier then nekit

http://elastomania.awardspace.com/home. ... =home&id=5
http://club.elastomania.ru/eng/info/users/?id=6647

news that thunder under minute dated by 01.02.08, that is earlier than registration of Nekit in elmaclub on 23.08.08, where he hadn't even finished all levels.

but i dont want elimination of thunder. i want Nekit back
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I so hate this rookie-definition. I really think like this:
nick-o-matic wrote:You should use also some common sense instead of just one single absolute rule in the definition of a rookie. (......) Actually I think there should be the best improver-prize instead of the best rookie-prize.
Like you should be allowed to play elma a bit even for quite a long time but if you really start playing more and becoming rapidly better in 2009 there should be the possiblity to nominate you the 2009 rookie or improver or whatever. In the current system if you apper to the scene for example in June or July its impsy rookie prize which sucks.
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