Norm in Acrossish

Bludek · Post by **Bludek** » 7 Jan 2016, 16:39

AndrY wrote:I tried to play with ddraw in win8.1 three months ago but it didn`t worked. Perhaps I load it from other place. This ddraw is norm

finally someone uses "norm" correctly again!
I mean, I am not surprised that a guy from Russia uses it correctly (since it originates from russian laguage, afaik), but I very dislike, when ppl use it as a synonym to "normal". It is a part of "acrossish" language and ppl should know that.

just wanted to mention this, thx, bb, kk, gz.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 7 Jan 2016, 19:41

sorry for being nab, but i always thought norm is just short for "normal". what does it actually mean and how does it originate from the russian language? o,o

Bludek · Post by **Bludek** » 8 Jan 2016, 09:00

Had a little conversation about "norm" in EOL, since it is an interesting topic and also to summ up my thoughts. It turned out, it does not come from any russian word, as I thought. It does indeed come from "normal", but the meaning is a bit shifted. Mans who use it in its shifted meaning use it as "ideal, optimal" or "great, amazing". Example: norm WR b0ne, gz
In some very rare cases it means "normal", but only if it is obvious from context.

It is the same thing as with "ez" and "impsy". As it was stated before, "ez time" usualy means "I (or someone better than me) can beat this besttime in a reasonable amount of time (like several hours or so)". Almost never it means, that it is actually easy to beat that time without dedication. U can also spy Ramone's signature for further reference.
"Impsy lev" for example means, the lev is somehow odd or bad (and it does NOT mean, that it is impossible to finish). "Impsy time" on the other hand means the time is very good and the person saying that is probably unable to beat it in given battle time (so again, the time is actually not impossible to drive, it is just very good).

From the examples above it is obvious, that mans in elma just like to exaggerate and it is no different with word "norm". Maybe it meant "normal" in the past, but, as I understand it and always did, it is used for something that is far superior to normal everyday stuff.

feel free to discuss

5tr1k3r · Post by **5tr1k3r** » 8 Jan 2016, 11:07

im agree with previous post

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 8 Jan 2016, 11:25

Imo norm often means normal too. For example, when you're talking awith someone and you don't really have anything particularly interesting to say, but you still want to comment just to show that the person has your attention. Like:
- how was your day?
- i did some shopping, went to the cinema and then just sitted at home playing elma
- norm

ville_j · Post by **ville_j** » 8 Jan 2016, 11:44

Norm is normal as ez is easy. You can use norm when something is normal or abnormal as you can you use ez when something is easy or hard.
You should move this norm discussion to some other forum and topic.

Domovoy · Post by **Domovoy** » 8 Jan 2016, 12:05

im generally use "norm" to show that i have nothing to object, grading from acknowledgement (see kuchitsu example) to approval ("norm linguistic discussion") then to delight ("i managed to feel emma watsons titties, norm")

but i also use it to express sarcasm from time to time:
— i went to a pub yesterday, there was this nice girl. she was so cute and i guess she liked me. so i had a pint, and then i went home
— norm story

A.K.B. · Post by **A.K.B.** » 9 Jan 2016, 02:10

I was at convo. Hoho. Norm = normal, but with some elma connotations. Braggadocios in a way.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 9 Jan 2016, 12:10

Ez norm = normal

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 9 Jan 2016, 15:03

It's just Elma abbreviations, there's no real difference in meaning, except that they are often not meant/understood literally, because of the way they are overused.

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 9 Jan 2016, 15:16

Also one thing to note is that people originally used "norm" to suggest that an incredible run/trick is so easy to them because they are so good at the game, making it "normal" to pull off for them.

gimp · Post by **gimp** » 9 Jan 2016, 16:09

I don't think all these stupid words were ever meant to be analyzed in so much depth. I have seen people call fucking anything norm, ranging from shitty levels to zweq spinning and call something ez they could never do in a million years and norm time or whatever the fuck. Luther will call a battle impsy if It is 5 seconds or 10 minutes despite any noticeable difference of difficulty. It all has no meaning, it's just something we now say for no reason. Its all a norm ez impsy CONSPIRACY of ambiguous adjectives.

An example of acceptable usage of the word norm and it's meaninglessness.

YOU: I played tennis with my niece today.
ME: norm

YOU: I just skull fucked a dead horse.
ME: norm

Tigro · Post by **Tigro** » 9 Jan 2016, 17:56

Why can't we people just talk/write gramatically and semantically correctly? Norm question.

Ruben · Post by **Ruben** » 9 Jan 2016, 19:26

Tigro wrote:Why can't we people just talk/write gramatically and semantically correctly? Norm question.

Acrossish grammar, semantics and vocabulary differs a lot from English, mainly due to Finnish and Russian influence it seems, such as the omission of an "anticipatory subject/object" where it would normally be used in English (It is good -> Is good). I don't mind, you just have to get used to the lexical and semantic changes. Idiomatic acrossish is quite far removed from English xD

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 9 Jan 2016, 23:55

The day to day irony lives in many generalised words

sunl · Post by **sunl** » 11 Jan 2016, 03:16

What I find interesting is the use of )))) and (((, which I presume is because people use different styles of keyboards, but in eol it uses international keyboard so mans don't know where : key is. Never seen elsewhere. Also "mans", "xiit"

Bludek · Post by **Bludek** » 11 Jan 2016, 11:05

sunl wrote: so mans don't know where : key is.

Not really, ppl know where the key is. It's just that when Nekit first came to EOL, he wrote ")" or "(" after every sentence. Like:

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hi:D)
how mans?)
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD)
i super evil(((((
want N2((
:D)

At first it was annoying, but after some time people got used to it and some of them (including me sometimes) use it like that, coz fun.
A lot of ppl in EOL is able to write grammatically correct sentences, but they choose not to, because it is fun to use unusual words and sentences. Also it brings the community together a bit, imo.

quality "norm" examples in this thread. I agree with rus mans.

The last thing I find funny is abbreviation of word "possible". Since people use "impsy" a lot, it would be only logical they use "psy" as opposite, but since it is the name of famous kuski from the past (and former WR holder), they use "poss" instead.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 11 Jan 2016, 12:03

Bludek wrote:The last thing I find funny is abbreviation of word "possible". Since people use "impsy" a lot, it would be only logical they use "psy" as opposite, but since it is the name of famous kuski from the past (and former WR holder), they use "poss" instead.

As far as I know the abbreviation "impsy" derives from the name of said kuski.

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 11 Jan 2016, 12:06

I remember there were some Elma grammarians in the past who would always insist that the usage of "psy" meaning "possible" was incorrect. I believe that there should be a discussion on this matter again as psy is not even an active player any more and a lot of newcomers don't even know who he was. Also, it would be much more convenient to just write "psy" instead of "poss", because it would save you the whole of one letter, which makes it several letters a day and several thousands of letters a year, which could considerably extend the life of your keyboard.

Bjenn · Post by **Bjenn** » 11 Jan 2016, 12:08

Saves more time writing pos/poss than psy because the letters in psy are more spread.
Psy will never have any other meaning than kuski name btw.

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 11 Jan 2016, 12:15

Yes, but most people don't type using one finger. Writing "pos" (with one s) is absolutely unacceptable as it's an acronym for something completely different. Don't do it, please.

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 11 Jan 2016, 12:23

Imo "psy" just doesn't sound good, makes you think of psychopaths or something.

I think talking in acrossish is a lot more enjoyable than in English. No stupid shit like "mouse -> mice", you can just say "mouses" and people won't look weird at you.

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 11 Jan 2016, 12:30

writing ( or ) is a russian thing, used by a lot of russians even in public(ish) chats like twitch. rusmans explained it as them being too lazy to write down the :'s.

afaik, "mans" started as nekit's grammar mistake or something and spread quickly to other people, might have been used before too just like many other thing but getting more common along with nekit.

and as mats said, "norm" is a perfect example of day to day irony, just like "ez" used as in "possible" etc.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » 11 Jan 2016, 13:49

Bludek wrote:At first it was annoying, but after some time people got used to it and some of them (including me sometimes) use it like that, coz fun.
A lot of ppl in EOL is able to write grammatically correct sentences, but they choose not to, because it is fun to use unusual words and sentences. Also it brings the community together a bit, imo.

Yes. I also found it annoying, but then I got used to it and now I like it. It's part of unique elma folklore.

Bjenn · Post by **Bjenn** » 11 Jan 2016, 14:34

Madness wrote:Yes, but most people don't type using one finger. Writing "pos" (with one s) is absolutely unacceptable as it's an acronym for something completely different. Don't do it, please.

Are you implying I'm using one finger while typing? Look at your keyboard and you will understand, jesus man.
And lol "absolutely unacceptable" like acrossish would have such rules written in stone.. Take a look at the language, I see "pos" written every day in EOL. Get good.

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 11 Jan 2016, 15:46

psy and pos should take no time difference to type because it's 1 press by 3 fingers either way.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » 11 Jan 2016, 15:59

Haruhi wrote:psy and pos should take no time difference to type because it's 1 press by 3 fingers either way.

That's not how you normally type. You keep index fingers on "f" and "j" while resting and reaching "p" and "o" quickly is easier than "p" and "y".

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 11 Jan 2016, 16:47

I use one finger and look for letter, norm imo.

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 11 Jan 2016, 19:14

Chris wrote:
Haruhi wrote:psy and pos should take no time difference to type because it's 1 press by 3 fingers either way.
That's not how you normally type. You keep index fingers on "f" and "j" while resting and reaching "p" and "o" quickly is easier than "p" and "y".

It takes the exact same time.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » 11 Jan 2016, 19:21

Madness wrote:
Chris wrote:
Haruhi wrote:psy and pos should take no time difference to type because it's 1 press by 3 fingers either way.
That's not how you normally type. You keep index fingers on "f" and "j" while resting and reaching "p" and "o" quickly is easier than "p" and "y".
It takes the exact same time.

Probably if you try hard, but people are lazy.

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 11 Jan 2016, 20:44

I'm wondering if there's any record of when the word "impsy" and "ez" were used for the very first time and who actually came up with it.

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 11 Jan 2016, 20:54

Impsy is very oldschool, Abula first used in lauta 2002. It became very popular use in 2008 in belma.

SveinR wrote:
Kopaka wrote:actually impsy means impsybility if I'm not mistaken, which is an old word for a pipe, but I know many uses it for impossible, I even do so myself
Impsybility isn't an old word for a pipe, it is a pipe (WCup317). Which was based on the older pipe Impossibility (MOPOCO08) (of course you already know this Kopa). So impsy obviously means impossible.

You can of course use it somewhat like Bismuth said, for instance in a battle ("dame impsy timz"), but it still means impossible.

SveinR wrote:
teajay wrote:either way, I always thought - and I still do - that impsybility was a pun on psy's ability on pipes. errr?
Sure. Because psy was the first to finish Impossibility. And of course, he went on to win the World Cup event on Impsybility.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 11 Jan 2016, 21:47

Yes impsy came from wcup lev name Impsybility, which was invented by Abula or px, I guess Abula

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 11 Jan 2016, 23:40

Oh, I've heard of this cup level before. Thank you for the info. Any record of "ez" origins?

gimp · Post by **gimp** » 11 Jan 2016, 23:57

The point at which ez was invented certainly wouldn't have a clear or patented point of origin. Think about how easy is used normally and how it could evolve unnoticed.

It would be easy to get under 31 seconds.
30 seconds is easy.
Easy for 30 seconds.
Easy 30 seconds.
Ez 30 seconds.
Ez 30.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 12 Jan 2016, 00:10

Ez was just a common abbreviation in teh internets (because of the pronounciation e-z = easy) and also widely used in across scene, then it just started to live a life of its own regarding how it was used

Tigro · Post by **Tigro** » 12 Jan 2016, 00:19

Orcc wrote:because of the pronounciation e-z = easy

Is it only me who actually pronounces 'ez' not as eezy, but EZ (similar to letter s)?

Ruben · Post by **Ruben** » 12 Jan 2016, 00:52

Orcc wrote:Ez was just a common abbreviation in teh internets (because of the pronounciation e-z = easy) and also widely used in across scene, then it just started to live a life of its own regarding how it was used

E-Z has been used for probably hundreds of years. There's one in the short film Donald's Vacation from 1940.

Pab · Post by **Pab** » 12 Jan 2016, 02:50

hue lovely tropic i orked to read it all.
For me: "pos" means position but is not so popular word, im not sure i always used "poss" as possible and never just "pos", but one s seems a little wrong. I was instructed very early in the scene at belma to not say "psy" as abbreviation for possible ever. When i started belma i was also new to english chatting and abbreviations in general, even smileys, elma chat saw my english grow, i was born in it, molded by it.

John · Post by **John** » 13 Jan 2016, 14:26

I specifically remember talking to Stini about int23 WR-route when it was new (some 2003?) and using 'btw' as short for 'between'. Good times, good times...

Never used norm. Also never used blind smilies )

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 15 Jan 2016, 13:18

ez first use was sierra I think in #battle soon before belma was released. That's at least the first time I saw it being used.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 17 Jan 2016, 14:36

Haruhi wrote:ez first use was sierra I think in #battle soon before belma was released. That's at least the first time I saw it being used.

No, ez is way older than that

Post by **SveinR** » 18 Jan 2016, 19:55

Searched my old #battle logs, others surely have older logs but this is what I found for first instance of "ez" being used there:

27th February 2003: <Cloud_IC> ez for a norwegian

With regards to the usage of "ez time" etc, this was the first in my log:

8th March 2003: <jsim[EMA]> 4x ez

And these are surely not the first instances by any means

Bjenn · Post by **Bjenn** » 19 Jan 2016, 08:49

SveinR wrote:Searched my old #battle logs, others surely have older logs but this is what I found for first instance of "ez" being used there:

27th February 2003: <Cloud_IC> ez for a norwegian

With regards to the usage of "ez time" etc, this was the first in my log:

8th March 2003: <jsim[EMA]> 4x ez

And these are surely not the first instances by any means

Haha you seriously save that old logs? Some effort

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 21 Jan 2016, 01:42

Dats some old logs

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 21 Jan 2016, 19:15

Bjenn, you can always count on Svein!

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 21 Jan 2016, 20:36

It saves automatically, Bjenn.

Tigro · Post by **Tigro** » 22 Jan 2016, 15:28

Madness wrote:It saves automatically, Bjenn.

Orka create a poll.

Polarix · Post by **Polarix** » 3 Feb 2016, 03:22

fun topic