Elma Online rules discussion
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Elma Online rules discussion
I thought it would be good with a set of concrete rules and banning system in the new version so I wrote this http://zworqy.com/elmawiki/index.php/Ne ... suggestion
Didn't get much feedback from the test group so I would like to know what people think of it.
Didn't get much feedback from the test group so I would like to know what people think of it.
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what does 1.2 rule means? i dont understand teh... whats bad in it?
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Looks good, but it's category, not catagory.
Also, this doesn't make sense to me at all:![Razz :P](./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
Also, this doesn't make sense to me at all:
And:3.1 Started the same a battle on the same level with same settings more than once
Finally:In extreme cases these can give an imediate one year or even permanent ban.
But like I said, looks good.you can send a ban apeal
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Isn't the third time ban a bit long? I think it should be maybe 1-2 months if second time is just a week. And maybe 4th time disobeying, 5th disobeying etc... should result in some less-than-a-year ban. Year only in extreme cases.First time disobeying a rule you'll get a warning, second time a one week ban and third time a one year ban.
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I think when it comes to cheating the banning system is really okay. Same goes for the starting balles thing, I mean, we have to be strict on that. About that language thing, I think the rules are kinda flexible there. It's not like you get a warning for using the word orka. In any case, rules apply to those cases in which the appeal to common sense is not preferable.
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Looks OK, but as Smibu said, quite big gap between 2nd and 3rd time. But then again, people should have learnt their lesson after a 1 week ban...
Since some offenses are a lot more serious than others, I feel they should have stricter punishment (1.1, 4.2, for instance). And some should perhaps have less strict, such as 2.1, 2.2.
Since some offenses are a lot more serious than others, I feel they should have stricter punishment (1.1, 4.2, for instance). And some should perhaps have less strict, such as 2.1, 2.2.
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I means "Starting the same battle more than once in a certain level".tijsjoris wrote:Also, this doesn't make sense to me at all:3.1 Started the same a battle on the same level with same settings more than once
Does that sound better?
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And, crippling possible after the real battle or if it was already crippled, you can start normal there. ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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why ban? they just change nick or wait for ip to change and get back on it again. just tell them it's not good and ask them to stop and they will. won't they? it's not like they're immature jerks that without some form of punishment have no motivation to change their actions for the better... /2 cents
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Okay have added that minor offenses might be overlooked the first couple of times, and agree with what jappe just said, so changed 3.1 to "Starting a battle on the same level more than once"
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oh yes mr, i have noticed of it some days ago. cant agree more.Jappe wrote:
pawq is stupid btw, did you guys know this?
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I don't understand it either. does that mean I'm stupid too?Pawq wrote:what does 1.2 rule means? i dont understand teh... whats bad in it?
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well rule 1.2 works in 2 ways.
for battle types such as first finish, there is a 1 minute countdown before you play the level, and rule 1.2 prevents people from EXITING BELMA, TAKING THE LEVEL TO A NONBELMA FOLDER AND TESTING IT BEFORE THE COUNTDOWN IS OVER
also, in one life battles, disconnecting from belma, going to elma.exe and testing the level a few times before using your life in belma.
for battle types such as first finish, there is a 1 minute countdown before you play the level, and rule 1.2 prevents people from EXITING BELMA, TAKING THE LEVEL TO A NONBELMA FOLDER AND TESTING IT BEFORE THE COUNTDOWN IS OVER
also, in one life battles, disconnecting from belma, going to elma.exe and testing the level a few times before using your life in belma.
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omg great
this reply jappe is much more kind and those 2 explained to me the whole thing. and big thanks to guys who said that i am stupid, those answers helped me the most with understanding the rule![Neutral :|](./images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif)
this reply jappe is much more kind and those 2 explained to me the whole thing. and big thanks to guys who said that i am stupid, those answers helped me the most with understanding the rule
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And what if you go to editor?
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I always do that, no problem imo
It's not as if you were playing the lev
EDIT : 3.3 Starting battles on offensive, buggy or otherwise unsuitable levels
i'm not sure this rule could be applied effectively. One can say the first nab's lev to break that rule, although it's just a nab lev
It's not as if you were playing the lev
EDIT : 3.3 Starting battles on offensive, buggy or otherwise unsuitable levels
i'm not sure this rule could be applied effectively. One can say the first nab's lev to break that rule, although it's just a nab lev
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3.3 Starting battles on offensive, buggy or otherwise unsuitable levels
This is hard to define: is a really bad noob lev an offensive or unsuitable lev? Sometimes people shout to abort a noob or crap lev, just because its not that much fun, allthough it is a playable lev. I don´t really have a solution for this, but it´s kinda unfair for noob designers if their levs always get abortet.
Bug levs ez abort.
This is hard to define: is a really bad noob lev an offensive or unsuitable lev? Sometimes people shout to abort a noob or crap lev, just because its not that much fun, allthough it is a playable lev. I don´t really have a solution for this, but it´s kinda unfair for noob designers if their levs always get abortet.
Bug levs ez abort.
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well personally, I think if the nab has basic knowledge of the game, he can still make something nice
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and if he doesn't, he can still be banned. At least he has 3 tries to make a lev considered as enough goodwestern wrote:well personally, I think if the nab has basic knowledge of the game, he can still make something nice
definitely, this rule has to be reconsidered
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Ofcourse rule 3.3 should only apply for levels that are impossible to finish and such. "bad" levels should never be aborted.
I know you can't know if someone goes to editor or something to see/play the level, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed.
I know you can't know if someone goes to editor or something to see/play the level, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed.
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I personally agree with Kopaka. In One-Life or First-Finish balles players are supposed NOT to know the levels, so even only looking at teh in the editor can change everything, and sometimes even the nabbiest kuski could win if he looked at lev in the editor. Dunno if this is possible, but maybe mila could do such feature, it would just lock the balled (countdowned) level so hard, that nobody can open it in 60sec. it would prevent few ppl from cheating.
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or else permit what totem said. if there is no way to stop it, then allow it.
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Not checking lev in editor is stupid. Or, you're atleast creating a disadvantage for yourself, for no reason. It's hardly cheating to use one of the game's built-in features to have a look at the level.
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Right, but sometimes I have this nifty use of surprise in onelife balles, for instance 2 days ago when I was in belma after a 3 week nonelma streak, I made a long slope with the flower underneath it. When you drove fast, you died to a wall. Everyone could've checked that in editor, and I think only leetskeet did (out of 10 perhaps?).
In any case, it's still impossible to avoid this, so I continue to watch in editor myself. It was just a devil's advocate thingie on my side saying that.
Secondly, I like to react to this thing about bad levels. I unfortunately end up with unfinishable levels quite a lot with my levelmaking skills, does it mean that I'm gonna be banned for a whole year when belma eol final comes out? That would kinda suck yea.![Sad :(](./images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
In any case, it's still impossible to avoid this, so I continue to watch in editor myself. It was just a devil's advocate thingie on my side saying that.
Secondly, I like to react to this thing about bad levels. I unfortunately end up with unfinishable levels quite a lot with my levelmaking skills, does it mean that I'm gonna be banned for a whole year when belma eol final comes out? That would kinda suck yea.
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a one-year lauta ban ensuring the stalling of your post count should suffice. ;)
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hey wise guy, shut up. ![Razz :P](./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
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What about playing own levs? Not really a bannable offense, but still...
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Oah damn I do that too ;s
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What means 'Drunk'? : o
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Yes tijsjoris, in fact I've already added your ip to the ban list. ![Twisted Evil :twisted:](./images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif)
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damn, it looks a bit complicated. first of all, what does 'apple' batlletype means? who has the most apples is normal..
next, speed balle goal is to reach the highest average, or top speed??
finally, see times and apple bugs are rly addictive, but drunk??]
thx for explanation in advance, even if my questions are rly stupid -_-
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next, speed balle goal is to reach the highest average, or top speed??
finally, see times and apple bugs are rly addictive, but drunk??]
thx for explanation in advance, even if my questions are rly stupid -_-
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man, top speed would be awesome! highest air time too!
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O_o highest air time sounds great
and also the biggest height (highest jump) would be max nice, could u think about it, mila kopa or anybody?
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my first idea was highest height too, but I've figured that (given physics laws) this was almost the same as highest air time (since there isn't any air in the kuski world, helmet's purpose being to provide oxygen), condition being not to touch any kind of ground as air time is synonym for no-ground time. ![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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Speed is highest top speed. A normal battle is pretty much a highest average speed battle.Pawq wrote:damn, it looks a bit complicated. first of all, what does 'apple' batlletype means? who has the most apples is normal..![]()
next, speed balle goal is to reach the highest average, or top speed??
finally, see times and apple bugs are rly addictive, but drunk??]
thx for explanation in advance, even if my questions are rly stupid -_-
Drunk is reversed throttle/brake and left/right, if I am not mistaken.
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that sounds stupid, just change keys input and voila!SveinR wrote:Drunk is reversed throttle/brake and left/right, if I am not mistaken.
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It's reversed for each apple you take, sorry for omitting.western wrote:that sounds stupid, just change keys input and voila!SveinR wrote:Drunk is reversed throttle/brake and left/right, if I am not mistaken.
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thx and im waiting for the rest of explanation, but i wont agree in the matter of highest average speed. there could be 2 ways, one short and slow, the second much longer and also faster, and while av. speed of first run is 10m/s and time is 10s, and av. speed of the second run is 12m/s and time is 20s the second could win. thats what i meant ![Neutral :|](./images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif)
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Probably this:Pawq wrote:damn, it looks a bit complicated. first of all, what does 'apple' batlletype means? who has the most apples is normal..
Everything is pretty much explained here: http://mopolauta.moposite.com/viewtopic ... 02#p143502milagros wrote:b) apple collecting balle (pro needed)- secret-area-like apple collecting where you have to take most number of different apples but deosn't have to be in one run, replay won't be saved, flower hidden(?)
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Hm yes, indeed. For some reason I forgot about styles/runs having different path lengths from the start to the exit.Pawq wrote:thx and im waiting for the rest of explanation, but i wont agree in the matter of highest average speed. there could be 2 ways, one short and slow, the second much longer and also faster, and while av. speed of first run is 10m/s and time is 10s, and av. speed of the second run is 12m/s and time is 20s the second could win. thats what i meant
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oh, thx sveinr its rly good explained. but only one "
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could u renew the expected time of release plz?
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It is currently 1 Dec 2008, 18:56milagros wrote:expected time of release - feb08
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could u renew the expected time of release plz?
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ChristmasPawq wrote:oh, thx sveinr its rly good explained. but only one ""
It is currently 1 Dec 2008, 18:56milagros wrote:expected time of release - feb08
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could u renew the expected time of release plz?
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only mila knows, probably have to wait a while for multi & cheatprotection (thanks to all those that xiited) and possibly some other features. problem is not mila not knowing how to do it all, he surely has a clear vision of how and what to do from this point to a finished version. it is just he cant be arsed.
if he really wanted, we'd play new version in 2 days from now on
but he's like 5 mins on sunday morning procoder
if he really wanted, we'd play new version in 2 days from now on
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oh, heyyyy... those kind of things pretty much are inevitable in such a scenario, you knowZweq wrote:probably have to wait a while for multi & cheatprotection (thanks to all those that xiited)
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3.1 Starting a battle on the same level more than once
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3.2 Starting battle in levels created by somebody else
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4.4 Joining a team you're not officially a member of
Joining a team shouldn't be possible just like that because then you could easily check if team member have shared some recs to each other (if kopaka implements that feature).
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Should add "common sense allowed" ![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
Anyway, not sure what we're doing about teams yet no. Any ideas are welcome (:
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The team system could be like in moposite, if not directly from there (i guess not if the players are not from there either). One player makes a team and can add/remove players from the team. Other team members can then add/remove players too if they want. Actually team password isn't needed if played can't join a team by himself.Kopaka wrote:Should add "common sense allowed"
Anyway, not sure what we're doing about teams yet no. Any ideas are welcome (:
There could be team statistics like internal total times and ranking and stuff (and i guess there are already?). In belma there is that 'team members can see each other' option, is it still working?
And that replay thing, I think we agreed something about it in irc. I guess it was like this: Player can 'validate' his replay on a certain level by uploading a replay file on the site. He can choose who can see the replay: level designer/team members/all. This wouldn't mean that every record should be 'validated' or that it wouldn't be accepted officially without the replay file, but in this way ppl could easily share the recs they want and other ppl would be happy to see great recs
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