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The_BoneLESS wrote: gonna put some effort on the next event now that i have proof that zorden and vodim are elma trained KGB elite soldiers!
:lol:
btw, guys, can you share your recs on 6a and 6b,- i`d like to see not ideal rides. Orcc, can you?
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http://up.k10x.net/mldpkfriazeck/MRII6AMe.rec

6A which is fairly holyed believe it or not. Vodium's run is max sick.

49:53 is best time
51:89 is 10th time.

And to respond to Samaxa's post, ya maybe I shouldn't have said that and maybe they are pefectly legit and if so all the props to them they are insane players that I have never heard of. But Vodiums run just seemed too good to be pulling off all the styles he was so perfectly. It is more holyed than world cup events so that's why I threw the accusation down and maybe I shouldn't have but that's what I felt at the time so I said it.
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thx! nice, but it seems really slow comparing to 45sec`run! 8O
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try playing the level. The start isn't easy to especially do as fast as he does it. I maybe did his fast of start twice when holying the lvl and facked up run later on.
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Memphis wrote:try playing the level. The start isn't easy to especially do as fast as he does it. I maybe did his fast of start twice when holying the lvl and facked up run later on.
i`m not going even try! It`s too tricky for me :oops:
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dorTrus wrote: i`m not going even try! It`s too tricky for me :oops:
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Memphis wrote:I don't like to accuse but those runs are perfect. I can speak especially for A and I don't think I could do a better run then that with save load. Leaves me to believe they are either holyaing the shit out of these levels or some other forces are involved here.
i don't like to accuse but that's kinda loserish. someone does a nice run and you are too quick to assume their a cheater. as was posted, Vodim could have hoyled the absolute shit out of the levels. [...]
I wouldn't say loserish. I mean, it's perfectly legit from memphis to have doubts about zorden and vodim's replays.

First, i thought these guys were rookies because i didn't recall having heard their names at any time in my life.

Second, most people haven't hoyled these levels for a week. These replays are fucking amazing and being beat by 4 and 6 seconds (memphis and me) is quite hard on the hoyla spirit :wink: .

Last but not least, we can't close our eyes on amazing players like this. I mean, world class athletes are tested in every major competition for cheating, why not in elma? In addition, if we had closed our eyes in the past, we would have never found out cheaters such as DMD, Daemon (did he really cheat?), dyrox, etc. Sure these are still great elma players but, cold truth is that they cheated.

In conclusion, i am not saying zorden and vodim are cheaters, i am just saying that every competitive activity must have rules, and security measures must be applied to prevent these rules from being broken.
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The_BoneLESS wrote:First, i thought these guys were rookies because i didn't recall having heard their names at any time in my life.
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lol daemon never cheated (:
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So I heard that those are cheated.
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who Orcc? daemons?
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Nah, Vodim and Zorden. Let's see what nIN does now :?
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oh wow.. who said? I am thinking someone should owe me an appology really.
SmaXa wrote:someone does a nice run and you are too quick to assume their a cheater. as was posted, Vodim could have hoyled the absolute shit out of the levels.
I just used my eyes and made an educated guess on what the outcomes could be. 1. Cheated. 2. Holyaed for 6 days only stoping for food and washroom.
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i gave teh prog to zworqy and he said its xiit
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xiit?
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milagros wrote:i gave teh prog to zworqy and he said its xiit
:D

Don't put words from your program into my mouth. But yes, the prog said it's xiit. (Vodims and Zordens)
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ye its prolly driven with darm's xiit or autoplay or some other homemade prog with same b0g
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wtf is xiit?
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so from now on if you want some recs to be fast checked, send them to zworqy
he will not give you prog, only check teh if anything is suspicious
sax prog but works for some nab xiits
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Memphis wrote:wtf is xiit?
xiit = cheat
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well good to know. Thanks for looking into that one fellas and I guess if a rec is too good to be true usually it is, unless maybe zweg drives it...
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Well, say that those guy have cheated.. BoneLess and Memphis are the winners?
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unless Boneless and I are also cheating then that would make Ali and Koxx the champs.
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I just sent memphis' recs to zworqy, he says they are xiited.. wtf heard about fair-play guys? noob cheaters
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damnit xiphias. I thought that by bring up the fact that Boneless and I cheat would make you less suspicous of us. Guess it backfired.
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Xiphias wrote:I just sent memphis' recs to zworqy, he says they are xiited.. wtf heard about fair-play guys? noob cheaters
guessing that that was a joke, did vodim and zorden really cheat? or just some fucked up humor?

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Update for boneless:

Vodium and Zorden cheat

Boneless and Memphis Legit so far.
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Memphis wrote:Update for boneless:

Vodium and Zorden cheat

Boneless and Memphis Legit so far.
ok, good to hear!

still gonna hoyl the shit out of event 07.
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I feel bad for nin, in a normal cup this wouldn't have been so big deal but this elimination thing makes it more complicated. In my opinion Memphis and Boneless could have the final match against each other after this round :)
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ya it's true. It really kinda makes a lot more work for nIN. Like do you go back and retally the points as if Vodium and Zorden were never in the cup? Might make it a closer battle between boneless and i and ali and koxx.
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ye, i guess it's up to him

but if he calculates the points again, it would be that a team should be brought back on this round to replace the russian team. Which would suck for that team as only 2-3 days remain.

what he could do is recalculate the points (to have to the least a proper ranking), and leave this round without an eliminated team (as zorden and vodim would be disqualified). Next round would be automaticly me and memphis vs koxx and ali.
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milagros wrote:i gave teh prog to zworqy and he said its xiit
are you sure that your prog are working?
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Memphis wrote:oh wow.. who said? I am thinking someone should owe me an appology really.
SmaXa wrote:someone does a nice run and you are too quick to assume their a cheater. as was posted, Vodim could have hoyled the absolute shit out of the levels.
I just used my eyes and made an educated guess on what the outcomes could be. 1. Cheated. 2. Holyaed for 6 days only stoping for food and washroom.
yeah sorry Memphis, however i still think it's a bit annoying to assume instantly if the rec is perfect =] lets hope however that these recs aren't cheated, so that the hoyla spirit isn't broken.


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poor soviet xiiters :devil:
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You 'hope' those recs weren't cheated although they're already proven so? Coc0k of course it works, DMD was caught with the same program and all Vodim's and Zorden's recs show up being cheated.
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Orcc wrote:Coc0k of course it works.
i'm happy that you believe in mila lol soft.
Orcc wrote:and all Vodim's and Zorden's recs show up being cheated.
even first event? what recs is xiit?
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when dmd got caught mila and abula said that "it's obvious" when checking the recs, of course nobody would be claimed a cheater by milagros unless it was 100% certain, besides, dmd admitted.

why it is being obvious, can't of course be told in public.
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Guys, I'm here now and had read most of your posts. I will ask Zworqy for this prog and test many replays. If it's true that Zorden and Vodim's replays have been cheated then I will most likely do this:

The seventh event will carry on as usual, though Zorden and Vodim will be disqualified. Ali, k0xx and Boneless, Memphis will go on to round eight. axxu and talli will take the bronze medal and Zorden + Vodim will be removed from this list. I will however test many replays first. And if they have cheated I will lose all respect for the players (Zorden and Vodim are only phantom names btw, they are some other people). It would be a great shame if it happened in my own cup.

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niN wrote: [...] I will most likely do this:

The seventh event will carry on as usual, though Zorden and Vodim will be disqualified. Ali, k0xx and Boneless, Memphis will go on to round eight. axxu and talli will take the bronze medal and Zorden + Vodim will be removed from this list. I will however test many replays first. And if they have cheated I will lose all respect for the players (Zorden and Vodim are only phantom names btw, they are some other people). It would be a great shame if it happened in my own cup. [...]
yeah, i think it's the right way to handle it.
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Though after thinking of it a little I came up with another alternative to save the possible terrible behaviour from Zorden and Vodim (not saying the'yve cheated yet, Zworqy is testing replays atm):

I make a ninth event, and this seventh is forgotten. I recalculate all results and recall the top three pairs and we continue again (this time the eight event will decide what two pairs will play against eachother before the final). Get it?

This is a little more of a hassle, but it's the fairest way to handle it. I dunno which way to do it really. I guess you can tell me what you think.
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Seriously, I've been shouting teh since event 2. Noname russian make sick rides outta nowhere, we've all seen this before how many times? ;S

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Coc0k wrote:i'm happy that you believe in mila lol soft.
well yeah, it doesn't work 100%

all those recs by vodim and zorden are shown as cheated (ones i had)
it shows all cheated recs (with autoplay or darm's cheat) as cheated
it shows approx 1/200 recs that are driven in win98 as cheated even if they are not (i found together 4 recs like that - vlac's headbanger for example + a few of my old recs)
i haven't seen any recs driven in winxp, that are shown as cheated and are not
i havent tested any recs in linux or vista
Coc0k wrote:what recs is xiit?
i've checked those 6 that won some round, havent seen any other

i dont really care
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Just got back the results from Zworqy:
I sent in twenty replays, all of Zorden and Vodim's replays in the MRII cup and some other by Boneless, Memphis, Ali, Orcc etc to see how trustworthy the prog is. The results:

All of Zorden and Vodim's replays had been cheated. None of the others. I guess I just got some homework now :P I will recalculate the points from scratch and recall axxu and talli. I will make a new event #7 for [axxu+talli], [Ali+k0xx] and [memphis, boneless]. And from there everything will carry on as usual. The only difference I guess is the points difference between the top three players.

After talking to coc0k I made a lev, sent it to him which he drove a replay on in one minute (I timed it). I then had Zworqy tested it and it came out as not cheated. I just wanted to eliminate the fact that all replays coming from coc0k had the same result - cheated.

I talked to Zorden on IRC and he clearly states that he did not cheat. I don't know what to think but I did what I felt I had to do. And btw: Zorden is Coc0k, and Vodim is Inferno.

Please comment on my way of handling it. I will get back to you tonight for more instructions about future events etc. I can say now that it is useless to hoyl the current event #7.
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Update: M201BZor.rec looks like win98 rec, possibly not cheated. But that's not very important since all the other *zor.recs definately were cheated.
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zworqy wrote:Update: M201BZor.rec looks like win98 rec, possibly not cheated. But that's not very important since all the other *zor.recs definately were cheated.
Zwor, comon, maybe others are not cheated too?
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I updated the website, The levels for event seven will be published tomorrow. The players remaining are:

01 E Memphis[HHIT] Boneless[HHIT] 2314,12
02 C Ali[_._] k0xx[_._] 1600,72
03 O Orcc psy 1208,39

So if you can do math, the gold medal is pretty safe, whilst the silver medal is not as safe. More info on the website.
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I updated the website, The levels for event seven will be published tomorrow. The players remaining are:

01 E Memphis[HHIT] Boneless[HHIT] 2314,12
02 C Ali[_._] k0xx[_._] 1600,72
03 O Orcc psy 1208,39

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Re: MasterRacerII: Pair Play

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Coc0k wrote:
Orcc wrote:and all Vodim's and Zorden's recs show up being cheated.
even first event? what recs is xiit?
"Even" first? So you cheated all but first?
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