!lev AND !REC system FINALLY UP [request]

[ribot]

http://elma.eartheart.se/ [edited url for rec compability]

comments?

[niN]

Looks great =) mebe ppl will take votes seriously for levs now

[Bludek]

I like it! Ez make it sortable by amount of votes given?

[Mawane]

looks like only recent balles count in the system, ie feb 4-5th, will all others votes since the beginning of eol be counted eventually?
does it depend on what your computer captures or its from eol's server?
can votes count only during balle or 2min afterballe votes count too?
also if you could link chat around that timestamp would be good too

and I like it very much! great work and very useful

EDIT: also i think designer himself shouldnt vote for his started level, but can rate rec, but winner of balle cant rate own rec
talking about rec, can you make the same for recs plz?

[ribot]

I like it! Ez make it sortable by amount of votes given?

Bludek, Done.

Mawane, the indexing starts from how far the eol chat search went at the time I programmed this. I don't know if it will ever go back in time. For now it pretty much starts at February 5th (interesting that you figured that out). Votes count until next battle starts. Good feedback as usual from you. I will see what I can do about your requests

niN, positive as always

Thanks for your feedback guys.

[ribot]

Mawane, as per your request:
- rec system is up
- winner cannot vote for own rec
- designer cannot vote for own lev

not done
- chat links

[Mawane]

Mawane, as per your request:
- rec system is up
- winner cannot vote for own rec
- designer cannot vote for own lev

not done
- chat links

wow, thanks, that was fast

can votes count only during balle or 2min afterballe votes count too?

Because most of the time, no time to type rating during balle. The minimum delay between balles is 2min. I think even if there are no balles in queue, ratings shouldn't count after that 2min, to make it fair and consistant.

EDIT: how about a section for top voters? like jon rating !lev 10, would be nice to see how much he votes. like when clicking on a player, could see all his votes

[danitah]

Seems not everything gets added, at least daff104 which got 5+ ppl voting !lev 10 didnt get included

[Lee]

Same with my levs. Different levs have been voted a few times but none of them are counted.
I don't really care. Just backing up danielj's statement.

[bamilan]

Looking at Danielj's battle:
http://elma.eartheart.se/eol_battles/de ... ry/Danielj
2014-02-10 05:07:00 eolda338 10.00 1 <Danielj> !rec 10 imo)

Why does it count as !lev 10 on his own lev?


Edit: on same page i found this
2014-02-23 15:49:00 eolda357 9.00 1 <FANTomck> !lev 9+ <undi> !lev 9
The total number of votes is wrong, it should be 2.

[Lousku]

When do you need to rate in relation to balle in order for this to count it? That's probably unclear to many.

You could also include links to chatlog at timestamps corresponding to balles. That might work a bit better if eol chatlog included some balle notifications or somesash.

[ribot]

good points
probably bugs bamilan

lusku: if i remember correctly, it counts from when the battle starts until a new battle starts...

In other words, the system is already working as it was used intuitively.

Except for if ppl vote for previous lev when new one already started. There is no way for the script to know that, but logically speaking, ppl have already voted for lev before it finish. The script just counts what was already happening before the script existed.

[Mawane]

cool, so can rate rec before seeing it lol

[ribot]

yes, such votes can be cast if for example impsy lev is finished.

[gimp]

very cool ribot. this may end up being a new variable i can use in my best designer ever thread. i wonder if any kind of ranking system could be used with this. as long as designer could not vote himself it could kind of work if people were honest and not voting out of hate or spite.

[niN]

...if people were honest and not voting out of hate or spite.

that's a big if

[Hosp]

I'm so low in those rankings only because noobs that don't know how to elma says !lev 1 all the time
or because people want levs they can finish every run, no hard tricks

[niN]

I'm so low in those rankings only because noobs that don't know how to elma says !lev 1 all the time
or because people want levs they can finish every run, no hard tricks

yeah. !lev and !rec system is completely useless imo. Especially since half of all kuskis gives votes like !lev, !lev 100000000000, !lev gay, !lev !, !lev 11 etc etc. At least I don't trust the rankings there at all.

[roope]

Yeh true, it's not a good system in the sense that you could somehow actually rank the good recs and levs with it. However, it's an oke reminder for yourself for GAA if not else. Much nicer to look for GAAworthy levs by searching yourself saying !lev 10 in chat, instead of trying to remember them out of nowhere.

[Kopaka]

I'm so low in those rankings only because noobs that don't know how to elma says !lev 1 all the time
or because people want levs they can finish every run, no hard tricks

yeah. !lev and !rec system is completely useless imo. Especially since half of all kuskis gives votes like !lev, !lev 100000000000, !lev gay, !lev !, !lev 11 etc etc. At least I don't trust the rankings there at all.

Doesn't help that ribot deicded on a different time span for voting than the system on the eol site, lovely confusing for people.

[gimp]

I don't think it's completely useless. Everybody over the course of many years will get their fair share of bad votes and good votes and we will find some loosed based correlation of lev quality, it's just simple statistics. Unfortunately your average score won't be very conclusive until you have a large amount of votes. When people say !lev186786 remember they really like the lev and it registers it as a 10 in the database. Also saying that people give bad votes because of hard tricks although true is not an argument for saying "their opinion of my lev is wrong". You can't judge somebodies taste. And I don't find that completely true anyways, we will notice those a lot more because we are critical of ourselves but many people like hard trick levs as well. Like I said these things come to fruition over a large sample size. The power of numbers is undeniable!

[Hosp]

Most of the time when I start levs it's because someone wants me to make a lev since nothing is battled at the moment, then I go editor 10s make lev, start it, just to be nice, then people go !lev 1 osv
Making a level in elma is like the easiest thing to do, everyone can do it. Yet when you do nice things people only put you down because it's not nice enough.
The worst ones are the ones that NEVER creates own levels but still complain about the quality of levels they ask you to do simply to have a battle on.

[roope]

That's true. People are horribly ungrateful to designers. That however slips the topic here; there's nothing wrong with voting a bad quickly made lev with !lev 1, while it sure would be nice if they appreciated the good ones.

[niN]

what about people who vote multiple times on the same lev? I've seen that a lot. Like first they vote !lev 1 and then !lev 10 etc.

How are those scores counted?