Jokela High School Massacre 7.11.2007

[Zweq]

can i has stereotype

[Raven]

Really interesting post abruzzi, GJ

[teajay]

I'm doing what feels good. You are right in some extent, but it's unethical to go on saying names like that and indeed stereotyping. Also, there have always been differences among people. Before internet was for the mass, there were black metal dudes burning churches and putting knifes into heads. School shootings have been around for decades.

Luther could've been as much a paedophile as Jappe2 (or as less, for that matter). Oh, and I would think twice about doing that on the beach, if you know what happened to natalie holloway.

[Raven]

I did it almost in Spain with the swedish girl. But then someone came up there, and couldnt do anything I got her phonenumber though, but i don't feel like visiting in Sweden just for one girl

Back to topic: Shooter died yesterday and there were 10 victims (8 women and 2men).

[J-sim]

@abruzzis post: OMGWTFLOL!!11 craziest lauta post ever. i still can't quite comprehend what i just read. whose phantom user is abruzzi anyway?

[Xiphias]

berh maybe

[wjelo]

nah, too many englisch skiallz imo xD

[teajay]

anyway fuck him.. I'm getting tired of the word nerd lately

[Xiphias]

anyway fuck him.. I'm getting tired of the word nerd lately

Nerd hating nerds. That's nerdy.

[teajay]

where your parents at?

[teajay]

11.3.2009 - german sociopath kills some 15 people.

Have you guys ever thought of suicide? Of destructive suicide? I really wonder how people are driven into these kind of things. I'm really sure about the difference between internet and real life-world. It has some effect, obviously. Discuss.

[roope]

I hate to admit that I kind of understand these people. Not the killings and all, but somehow I can relate. Probably all teased at school for years and years, of course it leaves it's mark.
They want their revenge, they want to get noticed so desperately, no matter at what cost.

I don't know any details of the German shooting, but at Kauhajoki and Jokela cases the internet got it's share of what's to blame. But I don't think it played an important part in these shootings, for some reason. Unfortunately some just are teased to that point when something in their head just snaps :x
I'd blame the teachers and people close to the person not noticing something's wrong.
It apparently just takes a year or two to plan teh.

anyway RIP for all those who have died.

PS: someone will retvieve me to the police station because of the first sentence, sach common nowadays in Finland :<

[John]

Yeah, school and parents is to blame in most of these cases in my opinion. I guess the shooters doesn't get acknowledged anywhere they go, and if they are it's because they are targets of long-term and organized harassment.

As long as people doesn't blame games and movies like GTA4 or Die Hard (maby nat the best example but the killing is somewhat glorified and turned into entertainment). Wikipedia says GTA4 has sold over 10 million copies and I doubt there's 10 million potential killers out there due to that. Conclusion: problems is in the every day life of the shooters.

[Bismuth]

Yeah everytime I see old nabs saying it's because of violent video games, I'm like "wtf, man, it's not because I have fun committing suicide in GTA4 that I will commit suicide in real life"

By the way, committing suicide in GTA4 can be hilarious.

[Grace]

Have you guys ever thought of suicide?

Yes.

Of destructive suicide?

Yes.

in my experiences it's because of assholes at school, i've had a few people at my school suicide, and i guess i've been semi close myself at some point, it's easier to relate to the yearning to share some sorrow with the ones who caused it to you when you've been in the position.

someone asked me in class the other day "Do you think you could murder someone?" and i believe the answer is Yes for a lot of us, especially the ones that have been teased dramatically at school and workplace and so on all they're life.

interestingly, the people at my school who have been beaten in the past by parents and stuff seem less depressed... maybe they're happier and more grateful for what they've got.

[teajay]

I do think internet's too to blame. On the internet you can easily develop your own world, be it positive or negative. Extremities are not frowned upon on the internet, sometimes it's even hailed upon. You never know wether one's being serious.

But actually, the word blame is not a proper term to use. You can't put the internet to trial. What we indeed should realise, is the fact that youths are distancing themselves from society by the underground feel of some extreme circles or movements on the internet, just like terrorist cells, neonazi parties, blood and crips gangs. The problem is that you can retain your image offline, while diverting into a someone else online.

What's the solution for this? Online there's none. There's no way that we can forbid games, chatrooms and the likes. It's technically impossible, and not a very agreeable option either. But I guess, there will be campaigns against antisocial behaviour and kids (boys) pulling out of community life. Or appeals on the internet maybe.

I see so much kids spending their 13's, 14's and 15's behind computers (like me ), and let's be clear; on these ages we are adapting every influence we can get. Much frustrations of youngsters are now preserved on the internet instead of articulated in the real sphere. If tim didn't have internet, he probably would at some point have made his frustration visible in real. Much earlier than now. And probably much less violent.

[roope]

Yeah, many kids spend so much time in front of the computer at so young ages because they don't have any friends irl.
But maybe because of living in an area with no same-aged kids, maybe because there's no chances to have any social hobbies. Maybe because their parents didn't tell them to go out?
Yes, I was thinking of myself when writing those.
Didn't all these school shooters live in a relatelively small towns?

[Staar]

Commiting suicide, because you are teased at school, now that's just gay.

[roope]

How so? Teasing at school can affect your whole life, till exempel cause depression.

But ye, committing suicide is anyway gay :x

[Grace]

befoar suicide at least get sex change)))))))))))

[pawq]

I hadn't thought about committing suicide, but I'd been thinking what would i do, if I was going to commit suicide tho.
I would surely kill somebody, maybe some teachers and so on, i would also prolly have sex with/rape some girls, break into some shops, steal a car...
nice perspectives

[Lukazz]

I hadn't thought about committing suicide, but I'd been thinking what would i do, if I was going to commit suicide tho.
I would surely kill somebody, maybe some teachers and so on, i would also prolly have sex with/rape some girls, break into some shops, steal a car...
nice perspectives

this is the lamest way to commit suicide i've ever heard of.

[Staar]

How so? Teasing at school can affect your whole life, till exempel cause depression.

But ye, committing suicide is anyway gay

Having some idiots affect your whole life is gay.

[FinMan]

gun battle)

[Xiphias]

ez one life balle

you fins are not sane :O

[pawq]

thats not a matter for jokes guys.. thats tragic, and scary that such people are free

[Igge]

Meh, much worse things are happening daily all over the world. Really, it's not that big of a deal if you look at that way; just some more innocent people dead.

Sure, it's bad that innocent die, but the fact that they lived near us doesn't really make it worse.

[Xiphias]

well said

[pawq]

the fact that it wasn't the greatest shooting ever doesn't mean that it's funney

[Grace]

he didn't say that. I think the same way as Igge, it's all well and good to have massive press releases and hullabaloo about a shooting in finland where 5 people died, but nobody gives a crap about the thousands of people who die everyday because of starvation and disease, no-one makes references to the hundreds of murders each year in the U.S, do they?

Sure, if it was someone i knew, i'd be very upset, and that's understandable, but for instance the bushfires in Melbourne during last years February - the biggest global bushfire on record, the entire world knew and about 200 people died, but we've all but forgotten the tsunami a few short years ago, when over 200 THOUSAND people died.

Anyways, R.I.P, you unlucky people.

[pawq]

guys you dont get my point either... i was upset many times with those highlighted deaths of few, and no remembrance of those many who die every minute... but we dont joke about them either do we? we should joke about none

[Igge]

Not unless it's been 22.3 years since o,o

[Drace]

I think that people in the world count Finland as a safe country. That's why this is so big thing, it happened in "safe country". Like "how can this happen in Finland"

[Xiphias]

lol if this happened on the Faroe Islands. We've had maybe 1 murder last 30-40 years. It would be killer sick if something like this happened here =o

[Lukazz]

lol if this happened on the Faroe Islands. We've had maybe 1 murder last 30-40 years. It would be killer sick if something like this happened here =o

srsly? ;o i think i'll move there. too bad your language sucks.

[Igge]

THEIR LANGUAGE IS EPIC.

[Xiphias]

I heard some faroese in the lord of the rings

[teajay]

Too bad, but I was more shocked back then, than now. Somehow the news of the world ceases to touch me.