Pab cheating online
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Pab cheating online
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http://beta.elmaonline.net/?s=stats&p=i ... 10[code]10. The Steppes Best Times
1. Pab [SV] 00:05,95
2. Zweq [WNO] 00:10,83
3. talli [EPO] 00:10,88
4. GRob [ngt] 00:10,98
5. adi [MiE] 00:11,16
6. Kiiwi [BAP] 00:11,38
7. Mika [27] 00:11,89
8. Mielz [EF] 00:12,38
9. mr [FM] 00:12,39
10. igge 00:12,39[/code]
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http://beta.elmaonline.net/?s=stats&p=i ... 10[code]10. The Steppes Best Times
1. Pab [SV] 00:05,95
2. Zweq [WNO] 00:10,83
3. talli [EPO] 00:10,88
4. GRob [ngt] 00:10,98
5. adi [MiE] 00:11,16
6. Kiiwi [BAP] 00:11,38
7. Mika [27] 00:11,89
8. Mielz [EF] 00:12,38
9. mr [FM] 00:12,39
10. igge 00:12,39[/code]
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Re: New WRs
i gave him patch where the head is reasonably heavier therefore it's possible to do backwards brutal easily
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Re: New WRs
why would he get 1 year ban for this? that seriously seems rather silly. i mean he didn't try to send in his time to the wr table and he didn't cheat any battle wins, or what?
Re: New WRs
damn berh is a bad influence on others! On aa side note, others may get a chance to win pipe battles now instead of pab cleaning house.
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i wanted to be as friendly and helpful as possible, as usual, who knows me - knows i have rather minimal skill but whenever i can help by making a wanted level or keep battling alive at night or nicely talk with ppl
so we were talking, having fun, somehow the conversation went to sl and some tools, pab asked if i could share such or sth, then i thought hmm but i really love pab, admire his piping skills etc, so i gave it to him so he has some pleasant, nice time
i warned him not to do any better time than his best nor any impsy time cuz it's just simply lame and everybody will be angry about interfering the stats and top10
so we were having some funny time in warm up, doing sick tricks funny rides, but none time better than 16.00 or sach etc. etc. then i left for a while
when i came again i saw pab on the f5 list browsing one lev after another, he went mad or something, he didnt respond so i left to sleep
totally wouldn't have thought that this would get us a ban as it's widely known jon was showing also his tools several times and even he has cheated speed wrs in some internals and he was like applauded and appreciated
then i see it's a one year ban for me and for pab, i dont want to whine as i recently praised jappe2 for his healthy-for-scene attitude and i think that after all the experience he has been gaining through the years he should be a fair referee already
i just hope the whole issue will be sorted out and the bans will be taken down (just ask hosp, jblaze, or gimp who ere online then if we had any desire to cheat or do anything against the scene to earn such draconian nazi bans)
so we were talking, having fun, somehow the conversation went to sl and some tools, pab asked if i could share such or sth, then i thought hmm but i really love pab, admire his piping skills etc, so i gave it to him so he has some pleasant, nice time
i warned him not to do any better time than his best nor any impsy time cuz it's just simply lame and everybody will be angry about interfering the stats and top10
so we were having some funny time in warm up, doing sick tricks funny rides, but none time better than 16.00 or sach etc. etc. then i left for a while
when i came again i saw pab on the f5 list browsing one lev after another, he went mad or something, he didnt respond so i left to sleep
totally wouldn't have thought that this would get us a ban as it's widely known jon was showing also his tools several times and even he has cheated speed wrs in some internals and he was like applauded and appreciated
then i see it's a one year ban for me and for pab, i dont want to whine as i recently praised jappe2 for his healthy-for-scene attitude and i think that after all the experience he has been gaining through the years he should be a fair referee already
i just hope the whole issue will be sorted out and the bans will be taken down (just ask hosp, jblaze, or gimp who ere online then if we had any desire to cheat or do anything against the scene to earn such draconian nazi bans)
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Re: New WRs
i didnt went that mad))))) just used for go the secret place at sink and that kind of things
and jappe, i didnt try to lie about it, i tryed to lie to you (now i see i shouldnt have to talk to you or anybody else than kopaka)
also said what i did in irc at the moment i did it but kopaka was sleepik
imo you cant treat me as a real cheater when i didnt make my own cheat and didnt try to prejudice any balle or cup or wathever
anyway i hope anything similar ever happen to you jappe
and jappe, i didnt try to lie about it, i tryed to lie to you (now i see i shouldnt have to talk to you or anybody else than kopaka)
also said what i did in irc at the moment i did it but kopaka was sleepik
imo you cant treat me as a real cheater when i didnt make my own cheat and didnt try to prejudice any balle or cup or wathever
anyway i hope anything similar ever happen to you jappe
Re: New WRs
Ya a year ban is too long in my opinion for this too. Pab will play offline holyaing his jopi times even more and they will be even more unbeatable. Lets get this back on track.
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Re: New WRs
Don't ban Paboo and Berher they're nice. They just played a little! xD
But I told you Paboo not to drive times.
But I told you Paboo not to drive times.
Re: New WRs
I vote for giving the 1 year ban on Pab to Berh instead.
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Re: New WRs
berh is very good man in eol =)))
you know in belma i wanted him banned for 1 million years, i guess all wanted
but maybe im not the right person to judge him now xd
you know in belma i wanted him banned for 1 million years, i guess all wanted
but maybe im not the right person to judge him now xd
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Won't happen cuz any offline times are by default cheated and are not accounted for. All records (or times, whatever) must be driven online to be accepted.Memphis wrote: Pab will play offline holyaing his jopi times even more and they will be even more unbeatable.
This is how i understood the new rule intorduced after sl "incident" (correct me if i'm wrong)
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Re: New WRs
i heard same thing, zamppe said he doesnt accept jopi time if its not at eol
but i wont ever want to make a sl rec to send for jopi o,o i appreciate jopis too much =)
but i wont ever want to make a sl rec to send for jopi o,o i appreciate jopis too much =)
Re: New WRs
Pab shouldnt have been used that tool online, but one year of ban by "trying" it for some minuts, in my opinion, is unfair because we know who is Pab, he isnt cheater/liar etc, come on. We must trust in good players like him.
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you have to take into consideration: banning pab and berh from eol is equivalent to banning them from any internal times, external times, or cup times that could ever be "properly accepted". so if you want to be all high and mighty and ban them from eol for a year you might just possibly lose two players from our small loyal community as it is. go ahead and be a dick. really what they did is not a very big deal and everybody knows it but just doesnt have the balls to say it. and pab is a really good player and a good guy, tell me, would you do the same to zweq, markku? i highly doubt it.
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Re: New WRs
It's simple. Pab gets ban because he cheated. There is a ZERO tolerance for cheating.Jappe wrote:1. zero tolerance for cheating
Berh was banned for supplying the tools, but i think berh is nice fellow to chat with recently and not need ban.
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Yeah, berh never cheated at all. Not in belma and not in eol.Haruhi wrote:It's simple. Pab gets ban because he cheated. There is a ZERO tolerance for cheating.Jappe wrote:1. zero tolerance for cheating
Berh was banned for supplying the tools, but i think berh is nice fellow to chat with recently and not need ban.
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Then again how many times did we see people screw around a bit and many started crying for a permaban. The line is thin, either people will cry because he cheated and didn't get ban, either people will cry because he cheated just for a few minutes and didn't mean harm but still got a ban. Grow balls and stop cheating, I think that's the message you guys should understand.
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wtf... seriously. Pab was a nice guy for years, never cheated or did anything bad to anyone. now he "cheated" some obvious internal time, because he wanted to try out cheat tools (who doesn't want to?) and you think he deserves a ban more than berh, who destroyed battles in belma multiple times, but is nice to talk to recently? everyone gone fucking crazy? ye, I think everyone deserves a second chance, and so does berh, but there is no fucking way that Pab deserves a one year ban and berh is the nice guy. and that Pab ban is totally crazy anyway, a warning or a one week ban would've totally done it, fuck your stupid zero tolerance policy. this isn't the south bronx it's fucking eol. and I'd rather see some cheated times every now and then than lose one of the coolest battlers in EOL! like gimp said, eol community is not that big anyway.Haruhi wrote:It's simple. Pab gets ban because he cheated. There is a ZERO tolerance for cheating.Jappe wrote:1. zero tolerance for cheating
Berh was banned for supplying the tools, but i think berh is nice fellow to chat with recently and not need ban.
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Finally a reasonable post. Thank you luki.Lukazz wrote:wtf... seriously. Pab was a nice guy for years, never cheated or did anything bad to anyone. now he "cheated" some obvious internal time, because he wanted to try out cheat tools (who doesn't want to?) and you think he deserves a ban more than berh, who destroyed battles in belma multiple times, but is nice to talk to recently? everyone gone fucking crazy?
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Re: New WRs
Just for comparison: Darmoed got 1 year ban for cheating 56 internal WRs and World Cup 4, Pab gets 1 year ban for one unintentional mistake.
Re: New WRs
Nicely said, Lukazz!
EDIT: by the way, this incident shows that eol doesn't provide enough defence against cheating. Anyone who has this tool could easily drive some time into eol db and then repeat it with smibu's s/l in offline mode. It would be pretty annoying to try to match times exactly, but possible nevertheless (it's very easy to do with hourglass btw, good for us it's detectable).
EDIT: by the way, this incident shows that eol doesn't provide enough defence against cheating. Anyone who has this tool could easily drive some time into eol db and then repeat it with smibu's s/l in offline mode. It would be pretty annoying to try to match times exactly, but possible nevertheless (it's very easy to do with hourglass btw, good for us it's detectable).
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That, but in bold letters.anpdad wrote:by the way, this incident shows that eol doesn't provide enough defence against cheating. Anyone who has this tool could easily drive some time into eol db and then repeat it with smibu's s/l in offline mode.
Re: New WRs
well now I am not so sure my opinion on this. You said he had driven top 10 on several levels before this 5 second rec on steps? Like was he going to just keep driving great times and then producing recs after? Maybe 6 months is justified if this is the case but a year is too long.
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Re: New WRs
in this instance, berh did nothing wrong, Pab broke the most core rule of elma. Keep in mind berh is permabanned anyway.Lukazz wrote:wtf... seriously. Pab was a nice guy for years, never cheated or did anything bad to anyone. now he "cheated" some obvious internal time, because he wanted to try out cheat tools (who doesn't want to?) and you think he deserves a ban more than berh, who destroyed battles in belma multiple times, but is nice to talk to recently? everyone gone fucking crazy? ye, I think everyone deserves a second chance, and so does berh, but there is no fucking way that Pab deserves a one year ban and berh is the nice guy. and that Pab ban is totally crazy anyway, a warning or a one week ban would've totally done it, fuck your stupid zero tolerance policy. this isn't the south bronx it's fucking eol. and I'd rather see some cheated times every now and then than lose one of the coolest battlers in EOL! like gimp said, eol community is not that big anyway.Haruhi wrote:It's simple. Pab gets ban because he cheated. There is a ZERO tolerance for cheating.Jappe wrote:1. zero tolerance for cheating
Berh was banned for supplying the tools, but i think berh is nice fellow to chat with recently and not need ban.
I think too big uproar over this. Pab cheated, got ban. Big deal, he'll do his ban and come back in one year. Just as Sla did back in the day, just as Darmoed did, just as Dx did.
Overpunishing comes way worse than this. People get death sentences for trying to smuggle $5 worth of weed into bali. Pab cheated in a game that clearly states "if you cheat, you will be banned" - So he gets ban. I don't see why we should change rules because Pab's one of the "coolest battlers in EOL."
The only post that makes a good argument in this whole debate is Madness'
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Re: New WRs
The punishment should bear on the whole community instead of on Pab alone for arguing about close-minded things instead of constructively arguing for better ways to secure the records system. Face it -- anybody technical enough can cheat the system using the way anpdad in bold indicated.
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thx for support but seriously, i didnt make any top 10 and didnt save any replay memphis
just i feel i dont deserve to be treated as a cheater
i repeat i shouldnt have talk with jappe2 at irc, he has nothing to do with this, he is just a kuski with an opinion
i want to talk with kopaka but he doesnt seem interested on deciding something or has no time duno(
and yeah 1 year ban...im out.
This is not a big deal. You are making it a big deal, pls reason this situation and tell me something kopaka
its just a stupid time that gota be removed
just i feel i dont deserve to be treated as a cheater
i repeat i shouldnt have talk with jappe2 at irc, he has nothing to do with this, he is just a kuski with an opinion
i want to talk with kopaka but he doesnt seem interested on deciding something or has no time duno(
and yeah 1 year ban...im out.
This is not a big deal. You are making it a big deal, pls reason this situation and tell me something kopaka
its just a stupid time that gota be removed
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Wtf people, are you serious? It's really wrong to ban Pab for this. Can't believe it.
gimp +1, Lukazz +1
EDIT: Also I should notice, elma core is players, ffs. And right now we're trying to make one of the friendliest, nicest and skillful persons out there quit? His only wrong decision was that he drove this time in online eol. I guess he didn't really think it over...
He never had wrong intentions, he never meant to drive a wr like this or something, isn't that fucking obvious?
gimp +1, Lukazz +1
EDIT: Also I should notice, elma core is players, ffs. And right now we're trying to make one of the friendliest, nicest and skillful persons out there quit? His only wrong decision was that he drove this time in online eol. I guess he didn't really think it over...
He never had wrong intentions, he never meant to drive a wr like this or something, isn't that fucking obvious?
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ya I fully agree it shouldn't be a year. I remember when I got banned on lauta for a month for posting too much which was stupid also. Anyway 3 months tops for pab. He is a good consistent player who is good for the scene.
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Re: Pab cheating online
lol, it's so fucking unpro!
Noobness is everywhere! Once AKB started his MEGAPRO bullets he's been banned, once i tried to change my nick, kopaka started to resist my requests, once sl has been shared, wrs would've been ridden online, once pab makes nice wr online, he's banned WHY?! Whut's wrong? What's nat legit? You suppose to change elma rules each time ANYTHING happens? Yesterday, lightning killed two people in St.Petersburg, we HAVE to change rules cuz of that
Noobness is everywhere! Once AKB started his MEGAPRO bullets he's been banned, once i tried to change my nick, kopaka started to resist my requests, once sl has been shared, wrs would've been ridden online, once pab makes nice wr online, he's banned WHY?! Whut's wrong? What's nat legit? You suppose to change elma rules each time ANYTHING happens? Yesterday, lightning killed two people in St.Petersburg, we HAVE to change rules cuz of that
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simon has clever ideas.wipley wrote:The punishment should bear on the whole community instead of on Pab alone for arguing about close-minded things instead of constructively arguing for better ways to secure the records system. Face it -- anybody technical enough can cheat the system using the way anpdad in bold indicated.
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Re: Pab cheating online
i want someone (not anyone ofc) tell me im banned im not how long whats up ???
haruhi im sorry i didnt have good talks with you like berh did, dont blame me for that o,o you have no sense
haruhi im sorry i didnt have good talks with you like berh did, dont blame me for that o,o you have no sense
Re: Pab cheating online
Let's just wait for Kopaka's response.
Re: New WRs
i'm in, if i can help, why notIgge wrote:I vote for giving the 1 year ban on Pab to Berh instead.
btw sometimes i realize how the scene might be hilarious at times, now the funniest things are jappe lying just to lie (as always) that wrs are safe and nobody can cheat them (sometimes i think that even if there was a dead body behind him and police was just to search his house he would still lie there is nothing wrong there, he wouldn't escape, just trying to persuade)
second is super android mawane super mawane this nice mawane funny guy computer mawane reporting his own teammate from [SV], sick
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Re: Pab cheating online
lol fu mawane wtf
anyway i would report my self if i knew how to do. also said i did this time in irc at the moment i did it
also want to know if jappe sent "my" 10 euros to eol donation after that ff...))
anyway i would report my self if i knew how to do. also said i did this time in irc at the moment i did it
also want to know if jappe sent "my" 10 euros to eol donation after that ff...))
Re: Pab cheating online
I find it funny how Mawane make posts and pics about his team mate.
About the ban, its totally unnecessary one year of ban because the mistake of Pab. One month or something should be correct.
Im sure this ban will not reach 1 year anyways.
About the ban, its totally unnecessary one year of ban because the mistake of Pab. One month or something should be correct.
Im sure this ban will not reach 1 year anyways.
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Re: Pab cheating online
Just to make a few things clear :
Everybody takes eol for granted. But, .. this project is private and not-profitable (and illegal) and is not part of any official business. Our rules do not have to follow any kind official rules, we did not need to get any licence, we are not registered as an organisation anywhere and shit. Theoretically, I can just invite 5-6 friends and play with them without caring about anything like community. Or I can for example ban Mexico or niggers for no particular reason. You have to understand that if you play eol, you have to obbey the rules we (= me and Kopaka) have set. If you do not want to, you can code your own eol and play under your rules there. There is no democracy in here. Accept it. If I cared, I would easily ban all cheaters forever. They are simply not welcome. And these decisions do not have to be justified.
About cheating:
Elma wrs have never been safe from cheating. There were some cheated wr(s) which you can still find in the wr table history (not mine). But it is not as easy to cheat as anpdad (or who originally) proposed. Eol saves loads of information about each run (volts, turns, throttling time, ..), you can not simply do another run and drive the same time, it is not enough. If there was any suspicion, all this stuff can be checked. Eol knows when you started the run, when you finished, when you press which volt keys and shit. Even if hourglass or smibu's cheat worked there, all these statistics would be distorted. And it gets harder if you don't know what exactly is saved. Ofc, cheating is still possible, but not using any trivial method.
Everybody takes eol for granted. But, .. this project is private and not-profitable (and illegal) and is not part of any official business. Our rules do not have to follow any kind official rules, we did not need to get any licence, we are not registered as an organisation anywhere and shit. Theoretically, I can just invite 5-6 friends and play with them without caring about anything like community. Or I can for example ban Mexico or niggers for no particular reason. You have to understand that if you play eol, you have to obbey the rules we (= me and Kopaka) have set. If you do not want to, you can code your own eol and play under your rules there. There is no democracy in here. Accept it. If I cared, I would easily ban all cheaters forever. They are simply not welcome. And these decisions do not have to be justified.
About cheating:
Elma wrs have never been safe from cheating. There were some cheated wr(s) which you can still find in the wr table history (not mine). But it is not as easy to cheat as anpdad (or who originally) proposed. Eol saves loads of information about each run (volts, turns, throttling time, ..), you can not simply do another run and drive the same time, it is not enough. If there was any suspicion, all this stuff can be checked. Eol knows when you started the run, when you finished, when you press which volt keys and shit. Even if hourglass or smibu's cheat worked there, all these statistics would be distorted. And it gets harder if you don't know what exactly is saved. Ofc, cheating is still possible, but not using any trivial method.
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Re: Pab cheating online
Thanks for clarifying, this sounds encouraging. Looks like i jumped to conclusions too early here.But it is not as easy to cheat as anpdad (or who originally) proposed. Eol saves loads of information about each run (volts, turns, throttling time, ..), you can not simply do another run and drive the same time, it is not enough.
Re: Pab cheating online
I think enough has been said about the issue, surely all arguments have been mentioned already. I just wanted to add that I am against such a long ban for Pab, and quote myself:
I suppose this is yet another episode.Pawq wrote:A dark age for elma has begun.
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Re: Pab cheating online
Hey! ily Pab, you are for sure nice fellow, but you cheated and as far as i care, if you cheat you cop the ban for cheating. Like you knew that you would when you cheated.Pab wrote: haruhi im sorry i didnt have good talks with you like berh did, dont blame me for that o,o you have no sense
I've spoken with you probably more than with berh, but berh did not cheat in this scenario. When berh DID cheat, he got his 1 year ban and he served it. In fact he got a permaban but that's not in place anymore.
It's like people trying to go into an exam with answers written on hand and then say "lolwhat i didn't write them there." they still get disqualified, no matter how nice person they are.
Serve ban, stay elma community and in one year return without cheats.
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Re: Pab cheating online
In that case ban Lousku and jon too for 1year for their 55int cheating
Re: Pab cheating online
But Pab didn't actually lie to anybody!!! He drooove those times, but didn't pretend to be driving without tools! He wasn't trying to get any profits with it! Isn't that the main concern?
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Re: Pab cheating online
Since a lot has been said about this case, much of it untrue, I will try to make clear what happened (and since pab and berh is publicly talking about it I believe it's okay to do so too).
A user mentioned to me that he had seen them cheat online (head through walls) and that they talked about it in chat. So I read the chat, checked error logging aswell as the times they had driven during that time. berh made a 2 hour time in warm up with other times driven just about 1 minutes before and after which makes making a 2 hour time impossible ofcourse, and fitted with stuff he said in chat. Error log could tell me about the invulnerability and along with the impossible time in steppes (aswell as mawana's screenshot for that matter) proves that Pab was using cheat online aswell.
At first I didn't do anything but after a little chat about it in EOL mods channel it was clear all thought Pab should have some sort of ban atleast, so I gave it, 2 weeks felt like too little so gave 1 year which might be too much, but as Jappe said it isn't set it stone.
berh managed to get playing rights some time ago with some fake nick, I never wanted him in EOL in the first place, but as he was already in and seemed to be acting nicely I hadn't done anything yet about it, but after this(using cheats online and supplying others with it) I gave him 100 year ban. Some people talk about second chance, but he's already gotten a 300th chance..
(for other that is using cheat tools for fun, I suggest that you make a new elma folder for that and remove your nick, pass, ip and check play offline in eolconf so there's no chance of making mistakes)
So where to go from here? It's a diffucult case and hard to define the penalty, some says permanent ban and others say a warning. I will collect the different proofs and upload in eol mods channel and see what everyone thinks. The time will be removed ofcourse, along with some bug times we have, but it isn't as easy as just deleting a row in the db. I will try to find the best way to do it soon hopefully. Things like these can take a lot of time sometimes in elma scene, that's unfortunate ofcourse, especially for a guy like Pab that is unsure of his future in EOL, but there's not really anything to do about it. About other cases that people have mentioned, I haven't been aware of only heard loose rumours.
Let's end the post with this, I hope it's okay I quote it from eol mods channel
A user mentioned to me that he had seen them cheat online (head through walls) and that they talked about it in chat. So I read the chat, checked error logging aswell as the times they had driven during that time. berh made a 2 hour time in warm up with other times driven just about 1 minutes before and after which makes making a 2 hour time impossible ofcourse, and fitted with stuff he said in chat. Error log could tell me about the invulnerability and along with the impossible time in steppes (aswell as mawana's screenshot for that matter) proves that Pab was using cheat online aswell.
At first I didn't do anything but after a little chat about it in EOL mods channel it was clear all thought Pab should have some sort of ban atleast, so I gave it, 2 weeks felt like too little so gave 1 year which might be too much, but as Jappe said it isn't set it stone.
berh managed to get playing rights some time ago with some fake nick, I never wanted him in EOL in the first place, but as he was already in and seemed to be acting nicely I hadn't done anything yet about it, but after this(using cheats online and supplying others with it) I gave him 100 year ban. Some people talk about second chance, but he's already gotten a 300th chance..
It's not about the time(s) he made, so you can't really compare it like that. It's obvious the 5.xx time in steppes is not real ofcourse, so that's not a big deal no. It is about using cheats online and to some degree ruining the integrity of elma and especially EOL. Having curiosity is natural so I understand that people will try to use the different cheat tools if they get the chance, but as he said in #battle chat he didn't think he was using the cheated exe when the time in steppes was made. If you want to try cheat tools for fun you should be REALLY clear about what you're so there's absolutely no chance of making mistakes like that, so having it accidentally turned on and using it online at all shows no respect and a carelessness for elma and the community. THAT is what really is the crime here.Madness wrote:Just for comparison: Darmoed got 1 year ban for cheating 56 internal WRs and World Cup 4, Pab gets 1 year ban for one unintentional mistake.
(for other that is using cheat tools for fun, I suggest that you make a new elma folder for that and remove your nick, pass, ip and check play offline in eolconf so there's no chance of making mistakes)
I never directly resisted your nickchange, you didn't understand that you can change it without my help. We're not changing the rules, since day 1 of EOL rule 1.1 has been do not cheat. Ofcourse we can always discuss what defines cheating, but in rules it says nothing about "do not cheat in battles" or things like that, it's simply "do not cheat" and it should be pretty clear that invulnerability is a cheat.analcactus wrote:lol, it's so fucking unpro!
Noobness is everywhere! Once AKB started his MEGAPRO bullets he's been banned, once i tried to change my nick, kopaka started to resist my requests, once sl has been shared, wrs would've been ridden online, once pab makes nice wr online, he's banned WHY?! Whut's wrong? What's nat legit? You suppose to change elma rules each time ANYTHING happens? Yesterday, lightning killed two people in St.Petersburg, we HAVE to change rules cuz of that
So where to go from here? It's a diffucult case and hard to define the penalty, some says permanent ban and others say a warning. I will collect the different proofs and upload in eol mods channel and see what everyone thinks. The time will be removed ofcourse, along with some bug times we have, but it isn't as easy as just deleting a row in the db. I will try to find the best way to do it soon hopefully. Things like these can take a lot of time sometimes in elma scene, that's unfortunate ofcourse, especially for a guy like Pab that is unsure of his future in EOL, but there's not really anything to do about it. About other cases that people have mentioned, I haven't been aware of only heard loose rumours.
Let's end the post with this, I hope it's okay I quote it from eol mods channel
(zamppe) it's quite interesting that people that have played the game for several years do everything in their capability to destroy it. Does the addiction drive people mad or what?
Re: Pab cheating online
ok i just read kopaka post and i think i should go and never come back even at lauta probably the best thing to do right
you know i have been playing for 4 years online and never cheated or had a xiit elma.exe and now i got hourglass slelma and mor xiit programs in 1 week and did this shit in eol, its obvioulsy i cant justify myself in any way, never meant to destroy elma, im so sorry to all .right now im very sad, seriously.
the best part is this can be fixed by deleting that time, and after that is very easy to go on
just want to tell i will be waiting a decision from kopaka and maybe you can pm me if is ok.
you know i have been playing for 4 years online and never cheated or had a xiit elma.exe and now i got hourglass slelma and mor xiit programs in 1 week and did this shit in eol, its obvioulsy i cant justify myself in any way, never meant to destroy elma, im so sorry to all .right now im very sad, seriously.
the best part is this can be fixed by deleting that time, and after that is very easy to go on
just want to tell i will be waiting a decision from kopaka and maybe you can pm me if is ok.
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Re: Pab cheating online
With that clear up and the confirmation of berh cheating online too, i fully support both bans.
do ban, either quit or come back.
do ban, either quit or come back.
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Re: Pab cheating online
Not a very slight difference... :( Can't it be lowered to some 6 months? It's very long anyway and makes it certain that Pab (and others) will get a lesson, but decreases the time we'll be missing Pab, and as a matter of fact, the chance that he'll quit forever.. :(Kopaka wrote:2 weeks felt like too little so gave 1 year
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Re: Pab cheating online
pls lower the ban significantly. Or divide pab's ban with me then :D
Also, thanks Kopaka for your post, it was very straight to the point and informative, ez gaa post.
Definitely. But he seems to have learned his lesson already, the incident got alot of discussion, many others see potential consequences. What is the purpose of 1month+ ban then?having it accidentally turned on and using it online at all shows no respect and a carelessness for elma and the community. THAT is what really is the crime here.
Also, thanks Kopaka for your post, it was very straight to the point and informative, ez gaa post.