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The Elma Wiki is in my opinion a massively underused resource.
We are too used to having Moposite and Mopolauta as a reference for all Elma information but the fact is that if the Elma Wiki was sufficiently resourceful, up to date and popular it could become a much handier reference point.
Wouldn't it be easier to just open wiki for any information you need or someone else is looking for instead of searching through pages upon pages of lauta etc.?
I would like to add many important articles with information that is important and often looked for but at the moment is quite scattered mostly around Mopolauta or elsewhere.

Articles such as:
- Elma Wishlist with sub-articles for EOL Wishlist, EOL Website Wishlist, Wiki Wishlist
- Known EOL/Elma bugs
- Planned/done EOL bugfixes and features
- Common issues with EOL/Elma and their solutions
- List of all Elma Media with subarticles: movies, flash animations, music, art, press references etc.
- List of historical Elma contests
- List of fastest public replays for Internals/EOL Pack/maybe other packs? with individual and combined downloads
- List of useful Elma software (maybe seperate articles for some like ALE?)
- List of Elma fansites/team sites/stats sites etc.
- List of LGRs
- List of Elma tricks (with recs/videos/gifs?)
- List of interesting Mopolauta topics?
Just off the top of my head.

Can we do it?

Post in this topic if you commit to help (even if just a little!).
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Xarthok wrote:Can we do it?
As elmawiki admin I have only one thing to say: go for it! 8)
<Fihlvein> another case of zworqy-is-always-right closed i guess
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milagros wrote:http://zworqy.com/elmawiki/index.php/Milagros
this topic is a stub
guess who started it ;)

anyways, i was thinking rewriting the installation instructions, actually did most of it a week ago but i never could decide if it was a txt file for eol zip or for the wiki
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Zweq wrote:but i never could decide if it was a txt file for eol zip or for the wiki
why not both?
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I improved the wiki by stopping the spam by removing normal users right to create new pages. But I created a new usergoup called 'kuski' with creation rights which i put all REAL users in.

Please contact me if are an old or new user and can't create new pages.
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Is it possible to extract all ElmaWiki Text and translate it to another language? (expand site by language, e.g. Slovak..) :) Or is there some other way?
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Not sure what you're asking, but the wiki is in several languages already. The translations have to be made manually, because I don't think there is any translator (e.g. Google Translator) that is even halfway decent in translating any language.
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Yes it's just a matter of creating new pages with the same name but in slovakian, or for frontpage, call it something like this http://zworqy.com/elmawiki/Main_Page:_SVK
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personally i would suggest to make a page for EACH internal lev.
Contents could/should be [map], [superficial information], [random/funny/useless information], [known styles], [wr-developement] etc
with additional information e.g. for [random/funny/useless information] something like
"some people refer to it as unbelievable random shit lev"
"MUE is referred to in the secret area"
[superficial info]
"currently the wr in this lev is 14.37 which makes it the fifth shortest lev."
"the map consists of 5 polygons"
[known styles]
recs and comments to it.:
Jaws: wr style requires 5 bounces, hard to perform, bla
for each style tuning suggestions etc.

this all together shouldnt be brought by just one person, as those having all those information wont write complete articles about it (prolly).
this all together enables noobs to gather some headlines and wont hopefully be asking and telling so much (shit) stuff in eol chat.
could also be useful for semipros to find old but gold styles for their individual tt-developement.
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Great idea, I'd like to read sach stuff. The wiki needs more content and what would be a better subject to start expanding it from than the internals?
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What would be better? Translating the already existing pages into every known language even though everyone understands English just fine! </starcraft> Good idea Milty!

EDIT: No idea why I posted this. Deep regrets. I'll just go cut myself with a wooden spoon now.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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I think we have to delete all the pages because they aren't referring to a reliable source , damez
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I would suggest you just start it yourself milty, even if you don't know a lot of info, just creating the pages and making some sort of template would help, then bigger chance some people will add a little stuff now and then I think.
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k, i'll just try some sort of template, open for suggestions, critics, additional information etc.
starting next week, i try to be on irc.
btw, i didnt check wiki yet, thus dunno, HOW i could add those pages, but i guess, that wont be too har, as zwor said, all regular kuskis should be able to create em.
lets see..
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maybe I could contribute to the french version
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Uncle Milty wrote:personally i would suggest to make a page for EACH internal lev.
Contents could/should be [map], [superficial information], [random/funny/useless information], [known styles], [wr-developement] etc
with additional information e.g. for [random/funny/useless information] something like
"some people refer to it as unbelievable random shit lev"
"MUE is referred to in the secret area"
[superficial info]
"currently the wr in this lev is 14.37 which makes it the fifth shortest lev."
"the map consists of 5 polygons"
[known styles]
recs and comments to it.:
Jaws: wr style requires 5 bounces, hard to perform, bla
for each style tuning suggestions etc.

this all together shouldnt be brought by just one person, as those having all those information wont write complete articles about it (prolly).
this all together enables noobs to gather some headlines and wont hopefully be asking and telling so much (shit) stuff in eol chat.
could also be useful for semipros to find old but gold styles for their individual tt-developement.
Great idea. If you're into it, here's something me and GuyB discussed some time ago: the idea of implementing graphs showing development of internal-level records by unit of time. Someone good with Calc/Excel, motivated by the project and by statistics fiddling, might have to put some momentum into the idea, though. Nice idea, Uncle Milty.
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Why isn't this happening
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Because we're all fappening.
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I don't know about you, but here I have time for all the fappening, work, personal projects, plus editing elma wiki (special tricks), together with putting an unknown-license picture online for the Wikipedia logo with the permission Abula gave me, however it might disappear without Abula (or the designer of the picture, I never was sure who it was) officially putting the pic in the public domain; it is a nice addition to the previously bland page, IMO.

ABULA -- IF YOU ARE ABLE TO -- PLEASE CONSIDER PUTTING THIS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN -- THANKS IN ADVANCE;

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Igge wrote:Because we're all fappening.
Yeah, I think I actually found the problem: you are all Elmaeing. :P
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I would be glad if i could improve elma wiki, but i can´t make new sites there. pls gimme rights or whateva.
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Tigro wrote:pls gimme rights or whateva.
Please don't.
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Tigro wrote:pls gimme rights or whateva.
Done.
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thanx! :D

btw, what is the best program to export level map into nice picture?
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you didn't know?
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I was just wondering... elma wiki is on zworqy´s site, right? what about creating normal nice wikia as many other games have? (ez move data there).

i am just annoyed how slow is updating information on zworqy´s. Have to wait minute when want to edit some article.
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Okay, as I said in post above..(sry for doublepost)

Elasto Mania Online Wiki

I ask all of you to help and for the beginning just create new pages related to Elma as Xarthok said in first post. FIll it with new information or simply copy it from zworqy´s elmawiki, he gave permission to copy it.
If you are interested, I made brief list of contents (added sum Xarthok´s suggestions):

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• Internal levels - list
     o each internal page
          o WR, s/l WR, styles, map, Picture, wr improvement history, number of internal (warmup first, flattrack second...)...
     o more levels
• extarnal levels
     o what are they, level packs, EOL pack...(PTL, Apipe,...)
     o pipes
• replays
• cheating
     o saveload, nitro patch, DarMoed, milagros
• basic playing
     o throttle, brake, volts, objects, only head and wheels are material etc.
• special tricks - list
     o bouncing, piping, brutaling, zweq spinning – each on own page
• multi playing, multi WRs
• tweaking
• bugs in game
     o bugfixes
• cups and contests
• GAA
• LGRs
• elma related sites
• additional elma programs (ALE, smibu´s manager, LGRDK etc.)
• list of all kuskis (at least active and legendary ones) and their old nicks
• list of teams
• glossary
If you have anything on mind that is proper for EOL wiki, brainstorm here or in brainstorming topic pls.
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I don't know if this helps at all, but here's a list of some elasto mania related things which I was using for the EMDs. The list was updated back in 2010 so no new items can be found here. Hopefully this makes it easier for some.

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it helps, thanks!
dont hesitate to create and edit elmawiki pages, i will never do it alone.
edit: thanx for first not-mine post, elma contributor (jon?)! :)
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Navigating and editing is quite fast for me on zworqy's, so eventhought I like that you're taking iniciative, I really don't see the need to start making a new one. Is zworqy's slow for others?
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No, but even if it were I would take zworro's wiki over that eye-cancer one any day of the month.
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Ye I think tigro was a bit too hasty with creating that new wiki. I however do think zworro's wiki is bit dull somehow, it does need some pictures and better arrangement of things in the frontpage. Also need some templates, which apparently are surprisingly complicated to make.
When I look at the site now I'm not really appealed to bounce around reading articles.
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the new wiki is supposed to help outsiders and/or nabs to come across information they would have to look for here or on eol, so it would cause problems for them. thus this is to ease information flow.
edit: pls give no rude information to wiki, also try to write trustworthy and objective info, no babbles etc. PLEASE.
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But the thing is we already have a pretty extensive wiki in several languages. Why start a new one?
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It being an actual wikia page does have the benefit that Google finds it easily. Let's say you want to read stuff about Elma. How in the world could you end up into the wikia in zworqy's site?
It didn't show up when googling "elasto mania wikia". The page tigro created however was the second result.

Created an article for every internal and added a navigation box of internals to all of the pages. I think it could be added to to main page too?
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roope wrote:It being an actual wikia page does have the benefit that Google finds it easily. Let's say you want to read stuff about Elma. How in the world could you end up into the wikia in zworqy's site?
It didn't show up when googling "elasto mania wikia". The page tigro created however was the second result.
that's because it's called a wiki not a wikia. this results in the wikia page being search result nr 4 and the wiki on zworqy's site being result nr 7. but i geuss you still might have a point, maybe people would even browse to the wikia elma wiki within that site, dunno.
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Kopaka wrote:Navigating and editing is quite fast for me on zworqy's, so eventhought I like that you're taking iniciative, I really don't see the need to start making a new one. Is zworqy's slow for others?
It's usually slow for me...
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ez repair jappe. go on.
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If I get some time I will add a few articles, but atm no time.

Also I think that we shouldn't be so harsh on tigro for trying to improve something. I'm not saying all of you are harsh, just that some comments were slightly discouraging. Like tigro said: if you think something is wrong, then try to fix it rather than sitting on your lazy ass pointing out that it's wrong...
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I dont think anyone said anything that could be fixed by themselves, merely asked a question o,o
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I'd stay start adding content before messing with the form.
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ehm, if someone wanted to help making, i would be happy if internal level pages are made also with few active and more famous kuskis.
template for infobox kuski: http://elastomania.wikia.com/wiki/Templ ... obox_kuski
use it like on Abula profile page: http://elastomania.wikia.com/wiki/Abula

template for infobox Level: http://elastomania.wikia.com/wiki/Templ ... obox_Level
usage like in Warm Up page: http://elastomania.wikia.com/wiki/Warm_Up

also add category:kuski to each kuski page, and category:internal and category:level to each internal level.
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Again, why was it needed to make a new and clumsy wiki with ads?
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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Help me please, this wiki can be very useful in the future. If you update just one thing a day (which is far from much work), in few weeks we will have great wiki. If some players wanted to for example care about one internal level (adding all accessible info), it would help very much. Please contribute. I am making it alone now. Thats bad. Don´t just speak how much we need wiki or how idiot is this idea, but do something. There´s big to-do list above.
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Lousku wrote:Again, why was it needed to make a new and clumsy wiki with ads?
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because it´s more fancier.
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