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Let's all take this semi-short quiz and share the results!
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Personally, I was surprised at how many questions made me uncomfortably unsure about my stance which is probably indicating I need to get better informed.
And was surprised to get a liberal result when it's been a long time since I identified as one or even wanted to be associated with such.

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Will be interesting to take this test again in a few months as I listen to quite a lot of political podcasts lately.

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got pretty much results i thought i was going to get except on diplomatic axis i thought nation would have been more heavily favored, free trade etc questions i guess moved it slightly towards balanced
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Pretty much as expected I guess, except that like 8-ball I don't exactly identify with so called liberal parties. Their idea of liberty tends to be at the expense of other people and without contributing to the greater good.

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I don't know, very hard to interpret a lot of these questions and wanted to have some clarification and context. Ended up just picking "unsure" about at least 10-15 of them. I guess nothing too unexpected for my either
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equality vs markets 32.3 : 67.7
nation vs world 62.8 : 37.2
liberty vs authority 62.7 : 37.3
tradition vs progress 39.3 : 60.7

edit: this thread is full of communists

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Neo-Liberalism

equality vs markets 33.5 : 66.5
nation vs world 53.7 : 46.3
liberty vs authority 54.6 : 45.4
tradition vs progress 40.3 : 59.7

Expected higher markets percent

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8-ball wrote:
Personally, I was surprised at how many questions made me uncomfortably unsure about my stance which is probably indicating I need to get better informed.

Should it really be a goal to have a "strong opinion" on every topic? I feel like with most issues you could find plenty of positives and negatives for anything depending on the situation and understand both sides of the argument. I'm not convinced that it's important to be sure about everything.


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Note that there's a difference between "unsure" and "neutral", both of which are under the same option. I think 8-ball referred to "unsure" (he said it :p), rather than neutral, hence the desire to deepen teh knowledge. I was unsure/dunno about a few (5?), and neutral on several more. Tbh I feel like I should read about every one of these issues for 15min before answering :U I thought and read about prostitution afterwards and changed my opinion almost entirely

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Just goed very quickly through it. Pretty close to expected, but yeah many too vague questions that can be interpreted in different ways.

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pawq: ah, ok. Yeah, I didn't even understand some questions.


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More or less as expected I guess.

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ur all damn communists.
And imo Tradition/Progress isn't really a scale. You can be traditional and progressive at the same time.

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I'm amazed anyone was able to go through all those questions. I stopped at 15/70

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

some nice national trends, nothing too surprising I guess

sorted by civil axis:
Russia - 39.2
Slovakia - 39.6
Poland - 54.6, 56.2
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Norway - 67.3, 71.5, 75.8, 77.3

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Pretty norm it seems. I have been centrist for quite a long while.
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some dum questions that are imsy to anser like "Democracy is more than a decision-making process." vat dose it mean
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I understand that most people are Internationalist, Libertarian and Progressive.

But why are most kuskis leaned more towards social system than market system?

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But why are most kuskis leaned more towards social system than market system?

Main reason probably because most live in somewhat socialist/social-democratic countries and are influenced by that.

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Would have to agree with SveinR's assessment. You like what you are used to a lot of the time.

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I live in such social state and I think it's shit. Not that my single opinion totally breaks the rule; just sayin.

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I think the scale is quite uncomparable between Slovakia and Norway :p

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Tigro wrote:
But why are most kuskis leaned more towards social system than market system?

Because market system wouldn't work without social system.

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Because market system wouldn't work without social system.

there was no social system for the whole history except maybe last 100 years

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milagros wrote:
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Because market system wouldn't work without social system.

there was no social system for the whole history except maybe last 100 years


Might explain the extreme improvements in every part of life the last 100 years.

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But why are most kuskis leaned more towards social system than market system?

years of brainwashing at schools by neomarxist teachers

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Might explain the extreme improvements in every part of life the last 100 years.

ofc not, the extreme improvements are thanks to science

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milagros wrote:
years of brainwashing at schools by neomarxist teachers
This is utter bullshit. Teachers had absolutely no impact on my political and social views, because this subject (or anything related) was never touched upon.

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the extreme improvements are thanks to science
Yeah? You think the global strive for equality is solely thanks to science? Think about the importance of women in Europe 100 years ago and now.

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This is utter bullshit. Teachers had absolutely no impact on my political and social views, because this subject (or anything related) was never touched upon.

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You think the global strive for equality is solely thanks to science? Think about the importance of women in Europe 100 years ago and now.

"Global strive for equality" does not necessarily mean higher quality of life, which was discussed. Everyone is acting like if women were treated like shit 100 years ago. European culture was always women & children first. The change happened mainly because nowadays most jobs do not require physical strength. The ones that did were naturally considered men's jobs and the remaining ones women's.

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milagros wrote:
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This is utter bullshit. Teachers had absolutely no impact on my political and social views, because this subject (or anything related) was never touched upon.

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You think the global strive for equality is solely thanks to science? Think about the importance of women in Europe 100 years ago and now.

"Global strive for equality" does not necessarily mean higher quality of life, which was discussed. Everyone is acting like if women were treated like shit 100 years ago. European culture was always women & children first. The change happened mainly because nowadays most jobs do not require physical strength. The ones that did were naturally considered men's jobs and the remaining ones women's.


"European culture was always women and children first."

If by that you mean first to be raped, beaten and married away for profit then yes, you are correct.

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I think a better wording is that women were treated like property. Many men took good care of their property, that's true.


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Women were there to take care of the homes and the children, not much else...

I didn't mention equality without a reason mila. It gives people fair chances to be treated justly, to achieve education and success with hard work, and to have a voice about the society and its rules. All of these increase decade by decade, and I think saying it's just due to science is a bit audacious. Naturally all these things are interrelated, and I'd be curious to hear from somebody who deals with civilisation development professionally, but I think there's more to humanity than science (saying this as a junior scientist).

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then why the fuck did di caprio died in titanic?

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I think a better wording is that women were treated like property. Many men took good care of their property, that's true.

i really don't know where do you have this shit from, it is simply not true.
For example, we had a queen (with no king) for 40 years in austria-hungarian empire. How did that happen, if women were property?

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I think a better wording is that women were treated like property. Many men took good care of their property, that's true.

i really don't know where do you have this shit from, it is simply not true.
For example, we had a queen (with no king) for 40 years in austria-hungarian empire. How did that happen, if women were property?


When the fuck was royalty even remotely representative of actual people?

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When the fuck was royalty even remotely representative of actual people?

so where exactly do you have the idea from, that women were treated as a property?
because they were clearly not, just read some arbitrary book from 15-19th century
romeo would just buy julia and the end of story

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For one, women often had little to say about who they were wed to, and I know that from my own family a few generations back. I think I don't even have to mention education, or the lack of access to education for women until not so long ago, which obviously and naturally prevented them from gaining significant importance.

"Property" is naturally a bit of a stretch, but there is a lot of truth in that.

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For one, women often had little to say about who they were wed to, and I know that from my own family a few generations back.

(Richer) children had often a little to say about who their parents decided them to marry.

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I think I don't even have to mention education, or the lack of access to education for women until not so long ago, which obviously and naturally prevented them from gaining significant importance.

The limiting factor 100 years ago was money, so parent could send only one or a few children to school, and they typically chose boys. There wasn't any discrimination on the school side.

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"Property" is naturally a bit of a stretch, but there is a lot of truth in that.

Women were not equal 100 years ago, but property is a bit stretch.

Anyway, the "equality" in the test is not the equality of opportunities, which almost everybody supports, but it is about the equality of outcome (equity). That's what I am against.
In all the fields, were women underperform, there are steps taken, to make their outcome equal. But when the sexes are switched, nobody gives a shit.

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Meanwhile we have fascists in parliament.

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For one, women often had little to say about who they were wed to, and I know that from my own family a few generations back.

(Richer) children had often a little to say about who their parents decided them to marry.

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I think I don't even have to mention education, or the lack of access to education for women until not so long ago, which obviously and naturally prevented them from gaining significant importance.

The limiting factor 100 years ago was money, so parent could send only one or a few children to school, and they typically chose boys. There wasn't any discrimination on the school side.

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"Property" is naturally a bit of a stretch, but there is a lot of truth in that.

Women were not equal 100 years ago, but property is a bit stretch.

Anyway, the "equality" in the test is not the equality of opportunities, which almost everybody supports, but it is about the equality of outcome (equity). That's what I am against.
In all the fields, were women underperform, there are steps taken, to make their outcome equal. But when the sexes are switched, nobody gives a shit.


Let me get this right. You are against equity? You are against women getting paid the same as men for doing the exact same jobs exactly as efficiently? Seriously?

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if you make comparisons between countries it becomes quite clear that some form of socialism is beneficial and i dont think anyone in here is advocating for communism. nordic countries for example are mostly capitalist with socialized healthcare and welfare elements etc. these countries have low crime and are on top of polls when it comes to happiness and overall the quality of life is good. granted it sucks if you are rich and make one million instead of two, my heart weeps for you!

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You are against women getting paid the same as men for doing the exact same jobs exactly as efficiently? Seriously?

I've never said that. I'm against positive discrimination (affirmative action) - biasing the rules such that there will be equal distribution of genders or races for each job.

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nordic countries for example are mostly capitalist with socialized healthcare and welfare elements etc. these countries have low crime and are on top of polls when it comes to happiness and overall the quality of life is good.


so do you think if welfare was taken out, Finland would go into anarchy? I think people would stay the same and just get out of their homes and do some work for a change. I think it's more about human programming, genes and tradition. Kindness, honesty and bad self esteem are in the core of Finnish people, learned as a child from parents.

Meanwhile in some other country people would start rioting if welfare was taken out.

The reason why nordic mans do better is in somewhere else than government structure.

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wouldnt be anarchy but im 100% sure crime would increase by significant margin

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I'm inclined to believe that the government structure somewhat grows out of the population, so if the population has certain tendencies, the government will reflect that.

But it's very interesting for me that all 5 nordic countries (Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland) are in top10 of world's most developed countries (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org)

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