Ballelma ruins Battle fun!
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Ballelma ruins Battle fun!
Hello!
I really like the ballelma patch and am very thankful to milagros for making online elma possible.
Although it is very much fun, recently I have the feeling that it kinda ruins the original feeling of battles.
In the past everybody started battles manually or with battlebots. It was sometimes annoying to alt-tab to write your times or check the others. Sometimes it was also hard to judge if some players were writing there times during the battles or were so called last-minute-bangos.
These problems are solved with ballelma, yeah!
This is what I dislike about the battles with ballelma nowadays:
- Nobody seems to care for replays anymore. Very often after a battle ended, when the winner is asked for the rec its just: "Uhhmm... I didn`t save..." This is very annoying in my opinion because watching the recs often is the most fun part of a battle (atleast for me).
- There is almost no conversation during or after the battles. For me as a levelmaker it is very cool to read some comments about the levs, whether they are good or not.
These facts lead to a certain feeling of an automatic, unpersonal battle machinery, which, in my opinion, doesn`t serve the original idea of battles.
I dont know if anything can be changed, an in-game chat would be very useful but if I recall correctly milagros said that its almost impossible to realize.
I don´t want people to stop playing ballelma, maybe just to keep up a few "traditions". Maybe a few battlers are feeling the same.
insguy
I really like the ballelma patch and am very thankful to milagros for making online elma possible.
Although it is very much fun, recently I have the feeling that it kinda ruins the original feeling of battles.
In the past everybody started battles manually or with battlebots. It was sometimes annoying to alt-tab to write your times or check the others. Sometimes it was also hard to judge if some players were writing there times during the battles or were so called last-minute-bangos.
These problems are solved with ballelma, yeah!
This is what I dislike about the battles with ballelma nowadays:
- Nobody seems to care for replays anymore. Very often after a battle ended, when the winner is asked for the rec its just: "Uhhmm... I didn`t save..." This is very annoying in my opinion because watching the recs often is the most fun part of a battle (atleast for me).
- There is almost no conversation during or after the battles. For me as a levelmaker it is very cool to read some comments about the levs, whether they are good or not.
These facts lead to a certain feeling of an automatic, unpersonal battle machinery, which, in my opinion, doesn`t serve the original idea of battles.
I dont know if anything can be changed, an in-game chat would be very useful but if I recall correctly milagros said that its almost impossible to realize.
I don´t want people to stop playing ballelma, maybe just to keep up a few "traditions". Maybe a few battlers are feeling the same.
insguy
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I agree with your points insguy, but there is also another aspect of normal battles that are absent from ballelma (quite naturally so). Which is having your own secret style that noone else has, and the excitement of seeing what great style Markku found. Perhaps there could be a possibility of having a setting on certain battles (Mopobattles, for instance) where the option of seeing the other players was disabled. But then again, that would ruin some of the point of the ballelma patch.
There already is an option for making battles with hidden opponents.SveinR wrote:I agree with your points insguy, but there is also another aspect of normal battles that are absent from ballelma (quite naturally so). Which is having your own secret style that noone else has, and the excitement of seeing what great style Markku found. Perhaps there could be a possibility of having a setting on certain battles (Mopobattles, for instance) where the option of seeing the other players was disabled. But then again, that would ruin some of the point of the ballelma patch.
<Fihlvein> another case of zworqy-is-always-right closed i guess
<yoosef> zworqy doesnt suck at anything
<yoosef> zworqy doesnt suck at anything
I agree with skint0r. In #battle I often played just because I randomly noticed a fresh battle had started. Nowadays that's not possible, but instead I have to get to elma-mood first and go see if there is a battle going.
About hiding other kuskis, maybe the battle-text (the one with timer) could show whether they are shown or not.
About hiding other kuskis, maybe the battle-text (the one with timer) could show whether they are shown or not.
gonna ship him 20e as well, as soon as i'll see a battle server with online battle hystory of each palyed bulle and kuski standings with their own kind of wr's and stuff so ppl could start old battles/levpack levs as well to claim for ruining old 'wr''s or just to remember good old ass kicking times.
then we could have a site where just by one click you could look at hall of fame looking something like that:
1. markku 1000 (wrs)
2. jaytea 700
3. tisjoris 350
etc..
78. zworqy 1
ez 20e maybe even more!
man i cant wait for a chat implementation <3
then we could have a site where just by one click you could look at hall of fame looking something like that:
1. markku 1000 (wrs)
2. jaytea 700
3. tisjoris 350
etc..
78. zworqy 1
ez 20e maybe even more!
man i cant wait for a chat implementation <3
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blame skint0r with those stats, prog should save stats into database (not now on zworqy's though) so it's his turn to do teh phpKestas wrote:then we could have a site where just by one click you could look at hall of fame looking something like that:
and no, i dont want any 20e, send it to moposite if you want or some other page which is still alive (zworqy's or which)... you know it's against the law:D
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At least interest towards Mopobattles has died totally. Only some Finnish fanatics were playing them.
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I agree now, at first I thought that ballelma was awesome and that it didn't ruin ballefun, but now I don't know... I joined #battle yesterday and said "Hi" but there was no respond =( I actually miss #battle.
However though, thanks mila for making the thingie I really enjoyed it!
However though, thanks mila for making the thingie I really enjoyed it!
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everything can go back to normal (not only that, it will be even better than it used to be) as soon as there will be several things made: the auto replay thingy, statistics, private servers (as John suggested) and possibly the in-game chat but not essentialy imo the in-game chat. cant see any disadvantages then and ppl would not be able to not tell sucky times so results will be more 'real' than before. if ppl wanna find styles on their own just start more battles with unchecked 'see others' option
go go Mila and Zebera or whoever, why not start new stats now?
go go Mila and Zebera or whoever, why not start new stats now?
jcl's server stil not up 100% so can't do statistics (its done form my side), private servers not really necessary, then noone will play normal one and since its not last version i won't spread itwiElOryB wrote:everything can go back to normal (not only that, it will be even better than it used to be) as soon as there will be several things made: the auto replay thingy, statistics, private servers (as John suggested) and possibly the in-game chat but not essentialy imo the in-game chat. cant see any disadvantages then and ppl would not be able to not tell sucky times so results will be more 'real' than before. if ppl wanna find styles on their own just start more battles with unchecked 'see others' option
go go Mila and Zebera or whoever, why not start new stats now?
and back to normal? in #battle there was no autoreplay, no private servers, no ingame chat, so its not about getting back to normal
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i meant the things ppl miss and talk about in this topick coulda be brought back plus we got much more, so no reason to whine, just shoulda be patientmilagros wrote:jcl's server stil not up 100% so can't do statistics (its done form my side), private servers not really necessary, then noone will play normal one and since its not last version i won't spread itwiElOryB wrote:everything can go back to normal (not only that, it will be even better than it used to be) as soon as there will be several things made: the auto replay thingy, statistics, private servers (as John suggested) and possibly the in-game chat but not essentialy imo the in-game chat. cant see any disadvantages then and ppl would not be able to not tell sucky times so results will be more 'real' than before. if ppl wanna find styles on their own just start more battles with unchecked 'see others' option
go go Mila and Zebera or whoever, why not start new stats now?
and back to normal? in #battle there was no autoreplay, no private servers, no ingame chat, so its not about getting back to normal
are nat. the thing that is really necesary at the moment is the chat and statistics and it's the only thing mila should be concerned in right now.
i'm the same minded with mila by the way
i'm the same minded with mila by the way
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I rate chat and private servers as most important. Stats can ez be added later on, you've still got #battle for that.
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I completely changed my point of view now =D Thanks for teh patch mila!niN wrote:I agree now, at first I thought that ballelma was awesome and that it didn't ruin ballefun, but now I don't know... I joined #battle yesterday and said "Hi" but there was no respond =( I actually miss #battle.
However though, thanks mila for making the thingie I really enjoyed it!
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