TorInges 24hour total time!!

magicman · Post by **magicman** » 8 Jan 2003, 13:57

well he must be , I think he cold make around 38 also!!

MP · Post by MP » 8 Jan 2003, 14:32

Magic, I'm very disoppointed

dz · Post by dz » 8 Jan 2003, 14:37

this definietly requires an own topic!

those times he drove are simply insane.. it's pretty much all about how much you have played those levels recently, but still.. there are extremely good times in so many levels it's just amazing.. i have to admit i kinda doubt darmoed could do better.. but who knows, you should get him try also

KD · Post by KD » 8 Jan 2003, 15:39

Really impressive times. I just can't belive he did it in only 24h time. But hey, why would he cheat in this?

Post by **Abula** » 8 Jan 2003, 17:31

KD: why did Nostrada or mrickx cheat then?

I'm not saying I suspect TorInge for cheating.

magicman · Post by **magicman** » 8 Jan 2003, 18:25

hmmm well DMD must show his ass in 24hours tt also

)
what' a great fight it would be ;P

magicman · Post by **magicman** » 8 Jan 2003, 18:28

pretty Amazing elma week this have been... first ..well Tor played 24tt be4... he broke 40 minutes limit in 24 hour total time shortley after that darmoed comes and brake 39 minutes limit in "real" total time!!!

omg

GuyB · Post by **GuyB** » 8 Jan 2003, 23:45

magicman wrote:hmmm well DMD must show his ass in 24hours tt also )
what' a great fight it would be ;P

I would buy A big coke, A giant bucket of popcorn and front-row tickets

GuBbI[rdk]

Post by **Abula** » 9 Jan 2003, 02:52

Just started to think more. Wonder if it was true: the best three internal level active Elma players (DMD, Tor, dz) playing in the same room and 100 people watching whole 24 hours (big screens, real time statistics etc.) Maybe I'm a bit insane but in my opinion it would rock! Maybe in 5 years...

magicman · Post by **magicman** » 9 Jan 2003, 09:32

hehe, and in the public they have song to some of them... and would get sleepy

but would r0x indees

)

very nice idea... Elma-live ticket: 5$ :]

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 9 Jan 2003, 11:38

TorInge is the Mad player #1.

And if I recall right he had only made Enigma bounce once before this... and no wmakes it again... his ZZ FF Steppes AH!!!!!! 1:37 OMG... <Tor_IC> rocks... :********

I think ) I saw 2 times I had better in my TT....

KD · Post by KD » 9 Jan 2003, 15:38

Abu: I think it has no sense to cheat in a competition, where it is so easy to cheat. I could send in my state.dat with my 41:xx tt, and say it was made in 24h. I just change the creation time of the rec's to be in 24h and voila i have a quite good 24h tt.

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 9 Jan 2003, 15:54

Which is why you have to play with a different nick than what you normally do.

KD · Post by KD » 9 Jan 2003, 16:08

Then you change your name in state.dat too. It's not hard.

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 9 Jan 2003, 19:02

Isn't the regular totals list just as easy to cheat then?

KD · Post by KD » 9 Jan 2003, 19:04

Well, you're right man. I just thought that because i would never cheat, so i can't think as a cheater. Or maybe i'm just simply stupid.

dz · Post by dz » 9 Jan 2003, 22:42

MagnusB wrote:Isn't the regular totals list just as easy to cheat then?

not necessarily because you need replays most likely if you do noticeable good. but with some luck, it's pretty easy. that's why the white-list will be great, when it's actually coming... i hope it will happen well before summer, so that ppl have time to send their recs.

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 9 Jan 2003, 22:49

dz wrote:not necessarily because you need replays most likely if you do noticeable good.

Then you should need replays in 24h tt too if you do noticeably good.

dz · Post by dz » 9 Jan 2003, 22:56

MagnusB wrote:
dz wrote:not necessarily because you need replays most likely if you do noticeable good.
Then you should need replays in 24h tt too if you do noticeably good.

in 24h tt, you need every single replay of the best times you make, with no exeptions.

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 9 Jan 2003, 23:20

Then what's the problem here?

KD started this conversation by saying it's easy to cheat 24h tt.

dz · Post by dz » 9 Jan 2003, 23:25

i think meant like changing replay dates within 24h somehow etc

onlainari · Post by **onlainari** » 9 Jan 2003, 23:52

and I bet you guys will get caught of state editing nowadays when anticheat group has such a good state-edit detectors

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 9 Jan 2003, 23:53

Yes. You're right. Someone should sit down and think about a solution to this.

onlainari · Post by **onlainari** » 9 Jan 2003, 23:56

I think it's a fucking hard to cheat it.... hmm,you have old good replays and u decide to state edit those times with the other nick to state? u get caught. u may change the rec dates but it's not enough,u can't state edit anymore...

deleted my edit..ofcourse I meant them...quite tired i am..feel like they are detected

dz · Post by dz » 9 Jan 2003, 23:58

which leads to a question: can state-edit be detected?

of course if abula is not willing to answer this, it means it cannot

or maybe i've missed the answer told before..

Karlis · Post by **Karlis** » 10 Jan 2003, 00:48

dz wrote: in 24h tt, you need every single replay of the best times you make, with no exeptions.

what about Cloud's 2 missing recs then?

Post by **Abula** » 10 Jan 2003, 00:49

Also you need to know the exact times of those old replays. Usually people don't know the times unless they are some public ones on some web page with times. Public replays are too risk to use.

dz: I won't answer and it doesn't mean anything but cheat and anti-cheat methods are secret.

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 10 Jan 2003, 00:57

But you can drive them some days/weeks before you play the 24h tt...
If state-editing can be detected it's no problem at all of course.

ciph · Post by **ciph** » 10 Jan 2003, 01:45

ramone wrote:And if I recall right he had only made Enigma bounce once before this... and no wmakes it again...

nah you recall wrong. tor has done it numerous times....he was trying for wr for a while too.....so ya...

dz · Post by dz » 10 Jan 2003, 02:07

Abula wrote:Also you need to know the exact times of those old replays.

thats not a problem at all.

of course you have the state with what you drove those times.

edit: as magnusb said :)

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 11 Jan 2003, 18:31

i think everybody is able to make times liek his 10th best times in the tables...that means for me maybe minute worse than my best times
so toringe can make it too

..and he must have made enigma bounce more times cause he had enigma multi wr 21.20 and after i have beaten him he made again 20.4x
and he had some 21.xx as i remember long time ago
and now he has 20.xx too

magicman · Post by **magicman** » 11 Jan 2003, 21:56

hmm yeh they could allways make a new elma with new stat.dat then they know the times of the rec...

hmm?

KD · Post by KD » 12 Jan 2003, 10:26

I think this topic has no sense at all now.
It would be easy to cheat as i've told before, because you only have to drive those times, check exact times from lev ( i mean top10 list in internals), and then state-edit them into one state.dat with a nick you haven't used yet, and change the date's of the rec files to look like they were made in 24h. It's easy. However you can't have a better 24h tt than your tt (only if ya beat your best times

).

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » 12 Jan 2003, 10:57

KD wrote:I think this topic has no sense at all now.
It would be easy to cheat as i've told before, because you only have to drive those times, check exact times from lev ( i mean top10 list in internals), and then state-edit them into one state.dat with a nick you haven't used yet, and change the date's of the rec files to look like they were made in 24h. It's easy. However you can't have a better 24h tt than your tt (only if ya beat your best times ).

Ye, and and state-editing can be detected nowadays so just try if u want ok. And it's very easy to drive 39.xx TT anyway, right?

KD · Post by KD » 12 Jan 2003, 11:03

Cloud wrote: Ye, and and state-editing can be detected nowadays so just try if u want ok. And it's very easy to drive 39.xx TT anyway, right?

I've never told that Tor cheated, nor did i thought of that. Just read what i said. And state-editing can't be detected nowadays, it can't be detected at all, coz it doesn't change anything, you could find, and say this state.dat is cheated. (edit: this state-editing isn't the same as decreasing your time by 0,01 or 0,02).
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Weee, that's my 100th reply.
A week ago i had only 1x messages

-> i was active this week, and i hope i can stay the same active for a long time by now.
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Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 12 Jan 2003, 14:24

KD wrote:...and change the date's of the rec files to look like they were made in 24h. It's easy. However you can't have a better 24h tt than your tt (only if ya beat your best times ).

I did better TT in my 24 h tt than my current TT at the time... dont know how much... 30-40 seconds maybe...

dz · Post by dz » 12 Jan 2003, 15:12

as to bring up a fact how easy it is to change replay date, its veery simple; just turn your clock to the date you are going to play 24h tt, and every replay will get the date that your windows clock has been adjusted to. this is too simple to just try to ignore.

all in all, i dont think there are really anyone who really want to be that idiotic to cheat in such a nice competition, which 24h total time is.

KD · Post by KD » 15 Jan 2003, 23:16

dz: the same reason i mentioned

I hope they'll believe it for ya. But time changing isn't just changing your windows clock, you have to edit the recs to change their date, or somehow else do it.