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is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by ribot » 28 Aug 2020, 18:11

I wonder the order difficulty of these things. Which one is hardest and which one is easiest, etc?

Grade this from 1 - 10, 10 being most difficult
- Win wcup
- Beat one internal WR
- Win one wcup event
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- Beat one 0lp record
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by Labs » 28 Aug 2020, 19:27

9/10 - Win wcup
8/10 - Beat one internal WR
6/10 - Win one wcup event
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by ArZeNiK » 28 Aug 2020, 19:49

never done any of these, but imo wcup win and 34min tt are same difficulty for diff mindsetted people (internalists vs. externalists)
same for int wr - wcup event win
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by kuchitsu » 28 Aug 2020, 20:01

I think winning a wcup event is easier in the sense that someone will do it for sure, whereas even if everyone hoyls some int for a week there is no guarantee that a new wr will be made.

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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by AndrY » 28 Aug 2020, 20:05

sure
Win wcup > Win one wcup event

sure
34 mins club > Beat one internal WR > Beat one 0lp record

Beat one internal WR > Win one wcup event ~ Beat one 0lp record

34 mins club > Win wcup > Beat one internal WR

8/10 - Win wcup
7/10 - Beat one internal WR
5/10 - Win one wcup event
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by Labs » 28 Aug 2020, 20:10

Winning a wcup event is much ezer than taking an internal wr. Internals are hoyled for many years, wcup levs get only a week of play.
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by Sunshine » 28 Aug 2020, 23:03

Labs wrote:
28 Aug 2020, 20:10
Winning a wcup event is much ezer than taking an internal wr. Internals are hoyled for many years, wcup levs get only a week of play.
Historically I think taking internal wr was easier than winning a wcup event but nowadays levels are so hoyled and hard styles I don't know anymore. I still think that someone who has extremely low chance of winning a wcup event probably has a better shot at driving an int wr. with wcup event you have limited time and you are competing against best of the best, I guess you could hoyl like crazy but if you are not skilled enough you won't be able to overcome the skill difference in such short time (I could probably play 24/7 and not beat zeros 2h time). With int wr you have all the time in the world and you can find a specific level that suits you and spend ages on it. You could also invent some new style which compensates for skill although nowadays that is much harder too.

34mins club currently has 3 people in it so it's obviously the hardest. wcup win if top players are playing seriously has maybe 5 possible winners and others don't have very good chance so I rank it as second hardest. wcup event win / int wr is hardest for me to rank.

34 mins club 10/10
Win wcup 9/10
Win one wcup event 8/10
Beat one internal wr 8/10
Beat one 0lp record 4/10

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all 10/10 except 0lp record which is 8/10
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by milagros » 29 Aug 2020, 14:00

ribot started this topic to brag about his 0lp wrs in the past
edit: he wants to brag about his 0lp wr atm
edit2: there is better time in russian tables

edit3: the list of people, who won wcup lev (since 2000) and did not have wr: LazY, Uube, Tapzu, MP, The OooO, Zero, dannyelmer (bartek)
it is clearly harder than wr
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by ribot » 30 Aug 2020, 09:41

milagros wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 14:00
ribot started this topic to brag about his 0lp wrs in the past
edit: he wants to brag about his 0lp wr atm
I guess you are joking, since you usually say stuff that make sense.

0lp records were perhaps somewhat impressive in the old days, but my skills are really laughable.
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I think that it is more difficult to break a Guinness record than the two options that you set, friend, since some Guinness records have quite a high difficulty but it will be necessary to verify which one you want to break.
I guess you are joking, or have no idea what you're talking about.
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kako looks like a bot haha
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Yeah it was a spambot with advertised url hidden in his profile, banned teh and deleted message
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by AndrY » 30 Aug 2020, 14:59

imo he was talking about comparing ribot's 5 options with beating some abstract Guinness record.


Beat one internal WR > Beat one Guinness record > Beat one 0lp record

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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by milagros » 30 Aug 2020, 16:10

ribot wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 09:41
I guess you are joking, since you usually say stuff that make sense.
you are not the kind of person that brags about having 14:20 in warmup
that 0lp wr was clearly easier than anything else though

i wanted to start some "cup" where for the next month you would compete in old "famous" levpacks, that do not have a wr in eol table
you would get 1 point if you get a wr in (0lp, lost internals, ALP, multi internals, moposite training levs, old wcup levs ..) and get 5 points if you get a wr in a lev that is not in eol database
alternatively add way more old packs i never heard about with less points given
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Post by ArZeNiK » 30 Aug 2020, 17:14

Orcc wrote:
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Yeah it was a spambot with advertised url hidden in his profile, banned teh and deleted message
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by Zweq » 31 Aug 2020, 07:51

Some random thoughts:
- Winning wcup events at the end of the cup is easier than in the beginning when everyone is fresh and trying hard.
- With internal WRs you know exactly what the time goal is and perhaps you also know the exact moves used for the WR. Therefore if you find a new move that is faster, all you gotta do is play every day until you beat the WR. So in a way if you have a lot of determination and a lot of freetime to spend (and especially if you enjoy what you're doing) beating internal WRs can be quite easy.
- For wcup events you don't know with 100% certainty if your style is the best available and what is a good enough time to win. If you have a bad style even if you play all your freetime you will most likely not win. So there is a lot more guessing and paranoia associated with winning cup events compared to beating internal WRs.
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by FinMan » 31 Aug 2020, 09:18

Imo winning a wcup event is harder than an internal wr, mostly for the reasons zamppe pointed out. The skill level is so high that there are only a handful of players that can perform at such a high level in a given time span. Compare to a battle win and you will take most of the randomness of finding the best styles away and still restrict the time limit in a way where the best will mostly come out on top.

In internals, as said, it's not as much about making a good ride in a short time span but more about determination and also finding the level that suits your strengths.

The guinness world record comparison is a funny one, I think making "a guinnes wr" is almost trivial, you just have to do basically anything that looks impressive that no one else realized they could do.

I think 34tt is the hardest in the list, winning the wcup followed by wcup event win, then making an internal wr.

Though, making an internal wr usually takes a lot of time for most people but that doesn't exactly make it hard.
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by ribot » 31 Aug 2020, 14:28

ok that makes a lot of sense.. good answers


then i wonder how exact you drive your styles.. i mean in wr i imagine you might know exactly what to do in every vertex of the lev? do you always develop styles that exact, or does it take a long time?
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by Zweq » 1 Sep 2020, 09:45

It depends on the level, but you might be surprised that there is a lot of improvisation even in WR rides. Bowling rides for example are always unique. Improvisation means that things didn't go as planned. There are WR styles that are so difficult that they don't give any room for improvisation, hi-flyer <26 for example. It has to be played in a very exact way every single second for the first 20 seconds or it's not possible.
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Re: is it more difficult to win a wcup event than take a wr?

Post by kuchitsu » 1 Sep 2020, 10:39

And could it be argued that these improvisational WRs reflect player's skills better since you need deep understanding of the game to adapt on the go? (as opposed to just repeating the required moves) Or is it more complicated than that?

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