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Lately I've thought of some things:

Is there any fun at all still playing?
Why do we still play this stupid game?
What does this game do with us really?

Why do we fight and argue about something this small, why do we spend hours and hours infront of something that should've died out long time ago, while it still was FUN to play.

Elma is starting so suffer from what so many other games and things do: it's overkilled: WR:s are too hoyled - it's no longer a fun game to play and nor human to beat those records.

The elma scene will hence kill itself, meanwhile the records are getting too good. Boring.

I will stand and fall with it (in tears or in joy I wonder?)

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yeah u gotta good point... :idea:

it s getting a bit boring... maybe a new version should come out with heaps of different changes so it's almost a different game... i dunno :?

it depends on what you do with elma... if you are bored with internals play externals... if you are bored with them design better ones... if you are bored with them make cool lgrs... and if you've got nothing else to do then make some program that somehow spices up the fun... :roll:

Once you've done all of that i guess you could start the cycle again or else you can quit... but hopefully a new version will be released with a whole new meaning of fun! :D
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I think many people want to get bored of Elma and most of the players want no newer version to come, that would only mean more hours in front of comp instead of doing better stuff. This matchplay thing is the last big thing I will do in this scene and for this game. It won´t be goodbye, but I just don´t feel like playing anymore. I played KC08 for like 4 hours and that´s much for me. I only got 7 points and I now know it´s no idea how much I play, I´m still to bad. So I fall with my incompitense in this game.

I think 90 % av all the elma players is bored of internals and I don´t get what DarM and Zweq get out of playing as much as they do. I really don´t care if they take another WR and I don´t care if their totals drops. KC is a funny contest but I now longer care to watch the winner replays.

This game is loosing it´s joy and it will soon be dead, sooner then many people think, even tough the scene is growing, the growth will be it´s death. As I watch the thread "new internals time" I recognize almoust noone and I care even less.

Why don´t we all do as MagnusB and just dissapear. Thanx Magnus you´re my idol :*
Hope you´re having a nice life without Elma :)
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ouch Jonas... don't be SO harsch. Fuck I mean nothing beats the feeling of getting a WR :) Ultimate joy besides other basic things in life :)

The thrill of the "Best Time" pop-up, will haunt me for the rest of my life.

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you can speak for yourself, but this issue varies alot with every different person. for internalists, luther's point of view is very true, but for example for me as being "past internalist" so to speak, i don't find this game dying at all. actually, i personally think this game is more popular than ever right at this moment. #across has tremendously alot of visitors every day, new external contest sites are popping out every week. i honestly can't think of this game dying. but the fact, that the internals are too hoyled, and wrs are taken these days only by one or two, maybe three players with "regular" tempo, is a sad thing. i have personally tried to get a change to the situation by bringing up an idea where we could implement "new internals" to the game by having a new patch, but it didn't get much of an attention, sadly.
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the scene is getting more boring by the day, and it will only get worse, just like lauta. Lauta, for some time, hasn't had any really intresting topics, just repeats such as this topic, many of times we have discussed why we play etc etc.

i got bored of internals a long time ago. and i find it very stupid to constantly play a level over and over and over until you get a WR, but is it really worth it?

i have been on and off playing since bout 1999/2000 and i have accomplished nothing at all. My TT is poop and i dont think i have ever sent in records for a contest, maybe a couple of skints.

my elma consists mainly of hundreds of externals, and even some internals. i can no longer play one level for more then 10-20mins because the level starts to shit me. so i really only play for fun and mucking around, but like to compete in alot of battles.

for the elma scene to collapse, lauta and #across would have to become very boring or dead. i dont think i would still be around without them two, and i dont think the scene would stay alive with just moposite.com alone.

i dont think i made any sense at all in this post...
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well if all you care about is the wr table, then yes it will die eventually. for me i couldn't care less about it, it's just something i watch every sunday, say ooo wow, then i go back to #across and chat with the nice people. and as dz said, the scene is steadily growing. and you can replace the internal levs with your own or whatever levs you want with the elma1.2, you just have to make them into leb files then add them to the respack and change the name of the levs in that txt file. but there won't be any "true" internals before the brothers make them :X
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dz has got a nice point bringing new internals into the game, although I think they will only delay the unavoidable collapse of the scene (the internal scene). It would be fun having new internals to hoyl, but realise this; only the same two or three guys (dz is refering to) will take their wrs ultimately as well. Elma is too linear or static to be alive. I mean, even dynamic games like q3 and such reaches its end when gotten"hoyled enough".

The external scene, however, will probably never die, it's too dynamic for that.

The difference between the relative externals and the very static internals are that externals don't drive kuskis (like me) mad.
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Post by SveinR »

Yes, the internal scene will probably die out amongst most players eventually (though still WRs are being made in Across, which is soon 7 years old). But, as has been said, the game and the scene won't die out anytime soon. One day it probably will though, but that's inevitable.
Luther wrote:why do we spend hours and hours infront of something that should've died out long time ago, while it still was FUN to play.
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it's no longer a fun game to play
It IS a fun game to play, for instance battles are tremendously fun. And the scene is fun to be in as well, so why should it die out?

(I realize you're probably mostly talking about the internal scene here, but I wanted to say something anyway)
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Yes it's correct as SveinR claims, that I mainly refer to the internal scene here.
The external scene, however, will probably never die, it's too dynamic for that.
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dz wrote:you can speak for yourself, but this issue varies alot with every different person. for internalists, luther's point of view is very true, but for example for me as being "past internalist" so to speak, i don't find this game dying at all. actually, i personally think this game is more popular than ever right at this moment. #across has tremendously alot of visitors every day, new external contest sites are popping out every week. i honestly can't think of this game dying. but the fact, that the internals are too hoyled, and wrs are taken these days only by one or two, maybe three players with "regular" tempo, is a sad thing. i have personally tried to get a change to the situation by bringing up an idea where we could implement "new internals" to the game by having a new patch, but it didn't get much of an attention, sadly.
Hmm ...I just really can't add anything else, exactly same thoughts. The fun isn't dying because I find the playing itself fun and not the records. I've never really cared too much about new WRs. Of course it's nice to check what has happened there every sunday but in the same way I check many other contests. New version might be cool but not needed, at least not for me
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SveinR wrote: It IS a fun game to play, for instance battles are tremendously fun.
yesh i agree, battle is the funniest thing in elma for me right now...
It is a simple game too, and simple ones are the best imo, (q3- also simple and best fps imo)
the Internals will never be replaced except as dz sais. with a new patch with new levels... but that will be hard to do.. someone, or someones will have to put it together.
Externals will never get the same status as internals, just cuz they're internals/externals. But internals has pretty good quality.. and they're "simple" (not too many pictures etc.. and they've got some styling...)(and that is good imo)
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Okey a bad message now after all those good once ...

I agree with Jonas thaat its not usefull to play ~5+hours each day cus i cant get what dmd/zweq etc can with that time, i play for fun and when i played tt it was cus i hunted every1minute break etc, now i know it's not even worth to play tt list, cus after 3-6months youve lost it all..bah..
Internal will die yes, that why there should maybe come a new elma(internals, or dunno)...
And External's wont die(i hope).
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good speech my dear teammate.

even internals scene wont die that fast, its probably only a good thing if wrs get harder and then we get less new wrs every week, imo it has been boring to watch wr-table lately cos there has been always like 10 wrs and all by zweq/darm, but its gonna change, newest table looked much better :lol: anyway, its not dying even if some of those top-players would quit, I think some of us are just waiting for our turn to take wrs

ok I think i totally lost the point and this msg got messy or something, sorry :?
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i think that new internals would be the same as new external pack...
now i have the hoyling spirit again because i finally done many shortcuts and want to improve more, i understand the 37-42 TT guys: they have almost no more fun of making new personal records cuz almost no more shortcuts are uncomplited... battles are making elma scene more fun, dunno why skint stopped making mopobattles... that is just my opinion
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internal levels are just like external levels that everyone receives when they get elma. Maybe just attach a nice external pack within elma.exe in the elma cd and therefore anyone who has elma has the levs. but yet again you might aswell create 2.0
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I think the internals a re getting a little on my nerves :cry:
My solution : Creating new levels to get unbored :D
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i still like playing internals
wrs doesn't matter, i play for beating my OWN best time
there's nothing better than playing some senseless lev for hours to get 0.01 improvement
i think i lost some points too:)
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Post by p »

i agree
internals may die out for guys at the top, but for all the n00bs always coming (eg me) internals are still fun

p.s. im not saying milagros is a noob...
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Post by onlainari »

ooo nice discussion here..

KC has been great contest for me etc, and elma wont die for me. I probably quit when all funny and good elma guys quits and thats not gonna happen very soon. Elma stays alive even if we play it 15minutes in one day of a week. I have had periods when i have been only spectating the action for week and then realized that i havent played myself for a long time.
Then there's battles that gives you special energy. Internals are there if you wanna practice,compete and test your mind(for old-timers). If you get bored,you have lost the battle. You can win the internal battle even though you dont make a record, depends how you practice the mind.

About where elma is now in ordinary level, I dont know, its not the happiest times i guess, it havent been for long time. The generally good times have been I guess at times when mopolauta was most active and for me when there was first elastomania world cups or across world cups arranged.
Elma dies when it sinks to the bottom of ocean, and we havent even yet tried to swim, but we arent at the pexi's rollercoaster now imo.
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I have not very much to ad to this post. Everything is said and many good arg's. I think the elmascene won't die that soon as long as the moposite gets updated. The elmatop might die if those 2-3 guys stop with playing there will alomst be no wr's anymore. but the noobs will go on. New players arive, they find the moposite, wonder how those times are so fast. Download replays, make national record, are happy. and new players arive. Also externals will go on. I think new internals would kill the scene. at the beginning everybody starts to play new internals the old internals die and new internals seems nothing better as external pack and the same 2-3 guys have all records. But an elma 2 with different cycle which makes other movement might bring the scene alive, because the pro's wíll not be pro's anymore.

ps what can i say aboout the scene, i play only 9 months
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These 2-3 guys...hmm I rather think they're like 10... and perhaps a joker once in a while
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why would it matter if the top4 guys quitted (not that I want them too), I mean, why would the Elite die?
Zweq is a VERY new player to most of us (even though he played longer) and DMD´s success came fast. The last minute limits hasnt been broke by same preson, allways new kuski. If "top" quits new players will come. And I guess many players could drive wrs if they really tried, they just dont bother.
But elma dies would be the best.... I want it to die out cause of new elma.. I want that... and of course with Fresh levels.... not another pack with warm up etc... bah
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ramone wrote:I guess many players could drive wrs if they really tried, they just dont bother.
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mmkay,I`ll try

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Hmm, everyone thinks elma will end soon! It's been going for years now and will probably keep on going...
Theres new guys joining lauta every day, and even if one in 10 of those are actual players, its still quite a lot of new people too keep elma going.
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Someone should make some new internal levs maybe.
That would be nice
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those will be the same as a new olp
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ive said this earlier but if new internals then also those old ones must be included, and what would be nice, also old across internals

and those must be in a same kind of pack like internals, external levelpacks wont work(OLP is a good example)
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yes, maybe like when choosing play u can shoose between some different things and externals.. so there's an extra menu before choosing levs.. so that no levels get "better status"
btw.. this sounds a bit like a "new internals" topic
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Luther wrote:The external scene, however, will probably never die, it's too dynamic for that.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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Lousku wrote:
Luther wrote:The external scene, however, will probably never die, it's too dynamic for that.
well, external scene just transformed to "eol-balles" scene and it is very alive.

Level packs and cups are indeed almost forgotten...
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nono, there is still best externalist AND best battler in GAA, those not the same
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I can totally see a Best Save/Loader category in next GAA
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my vote would be to AnpDad. 49:xx on tunnel is impressive even with saveload.
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yeah none of mila's times/recs were impressive whatsoever
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Luther wrote: it's no longer a fun game to play and nor human to beat those records.
This was in 2003 :|
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hehe i thought this was kinda new post... scene/internnals dead in 2003?

anyway i think that eol is a really good development and battling scene is most important now, especially when sl has come out... it's fun to put up some different battle types and now and then try out some bulle... battles and cups and eol could continue to develop, and it's fun sometimes to do some elma jokes and philosophizing....
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