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Was glad to see ramones name as lev maker, but nat lived up to expections, plz longer lev as 2nd...
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2nd level was longer
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I hate the fact that winning style is practically based completely on luck. Reminds me a lot of Uphill Battle and how you have to get every move going exactly with the specific pattern in order to success. Still I have to admit that I like the level. I like Uphill Battle too.
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I can't see that winner rec will be driven by luck. No luck needed imo for the styles I know, just skills..
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Then I guess you don't know what I'm talking about.
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Post by Luther »

This is a lev, where, either you use your skills and hoyl a really good time with that style, even though the uphill _still_ is a long facking lucky part. OR, you attend the lucky roulette-style and go for 0,5-1,0 better, but only real cläz gamblers would do that - and compared to teh little skills it takes to do teh: it's pure luck, luck, luck.

Lucky level, shouldn't say "Best Time", but "Lucky Finish".

Btw, I hoyled ;/
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Post by Ramone »

wtf LUC?
its skills.. nothign else
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Post by dz »

Luther stated it well. About the uphill part, though, that one I don't consider luck.
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uphill is not luck.. I never made any good uphills.. an di werent unlukcy.. I just sucked... no more to it.
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I liked this level best so far ramone :*
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dz, do u consider the start to be a lucky style or what? I really can't see what u mean. sorry :S Bah, Maybe I'm just tired and mongo but only "lucky" part would be if u mongo-alo as ramone did in the air.. Maybe that's what u mean?
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The levs gets better and better, best lev so far this 504
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Crazy wrote:dz, do u consider the start to be a lucky style or what?
The swing to get good speed for the long jump, that's what's quite luckysome. Of course one might ask why did only some top players do that - I'm guessing it's the passion. When they know something can be done, they make it happen no matter how long it takes.

This new level seems really awesome. I'm going to win this one.
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one of the best levs i've ever seen, just great skintor!
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i like it. ez points i hope
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Ye, when i first saw it on Moposite, i knew how this level would be....Many many styles and a terrific design and level...Good job as always, Lord Skint0r....:D
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LOVE THE LEV
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max level :P
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Gigantic lev, huge areas, endless amount of styles, possible to earn time everywhere, excitement and nerves is a factor due to the length of the lev, nice design, no given styles, every little vertex is constructed to become a problem for you, lovely lev that one can hate (and love when finish), this is world cup ¨=)
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yeah skint0r can´t betray,every level he makes is still so max :*
i was wondering if there is s logo somewhere,and hell yeah there was.
first time other team members wants to play wcup level.
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too big, no pictures - otherwise najs
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most propably the best elastomania level i ever played, not regarding all those old semi-auto levs, which i still love....
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Post by sierra »

It truly reminds me of Lab Pro (a good thing oki)
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Its really nice but actually I think its a little too big. And the end sucks.
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There are many fast styles so the level is good but I haven't finished it yet becouse I always make some stupid mistake somewhere :? . Actually that is why I hate long levels :x .
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insane guy wrote:most propably the best elastomania level i ever played, not regarding all those old semi-auto levs, which i still love....
zomg i didnt think it was possible to like them, never ever say that public, everyone will start making the again :(
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Ky.Jelly wrote:
insane guy wrote:most propably the best elastomania level i ever played, not regarding all those old semi-auto levs, which i still love....
zomg i didnt think it was possible to like them, never ever say that public, everyone will start making the again :(
OT: i meant Ville J levs...
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Post by magicman »

This level is very nice! grass and stuffs =") many tricks and long level. might get annoyd of it later ;> but really like it now!
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I don't like long levels when it becomes too linear. This though, is very well made, in skint0r-vertex-complexity. It reminds me of SNTL06, Leviathan.
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Mada Mada Dane by Skint0r

Playability : 8.8 / 10


Ok, the level is for sure very good. The first thing you see is that : Long level. At first, i thought the level would be bad because, long levels can be fun but very long levels are always freakin' annoying. I was nicely surprised to see that even if it is a long level, it is very playable. The level is globaly separated in like 4 parts. The first one is very hoylish, not much major shortcuts except an obvious one. The guy who plays this part for 20 hours to get a second or two off is almost crazy because the chances of making a perfect run in this level are from slim to none. The second part is cool because it's simple but, there are many ways of completing it. Then, the third and fourth parts of the level may be the most annoying. First, you have to make it this far, then, you have to pull the 2-3 major tricks to get a good time. I can personnaly say that i have almost broken my keyboard cause the rage was so intense after missing a freaking flip or move ( that i won't name not to give up styles... thank me later... ). Overally, nice playability.

Visually : 9.5 / 10

Ever seen a bad looking level by Skintor ? Right, he never does bad looking levels. The grass is always perfect and the masks always give a nice outlook to the level ( good old brick mask... ). I particularly like the 'spike' texture in some holes through the level, real nice. Every polygon in the level seems worked on for hours to get it smooth looking. Another thing I very appreciate is that skintor might be one of the few guys that knows how to place a 'secret area' sign; these 'Skialz' places are really secret areas ! What can I say more ? The level really represents the spirit of the levelmaker.

Overall : 9.6 / 10

Finally, the level looks amazing and is amazing to play. The only thing I disliked about the level is that it gets really really annoying to have no finishes in like 2 hours. I guess it would require more self control by me but, what can I do about it ?! Long level, long review. Really appreciated the level, surely the first tight World Cup level !

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we can say that ur the level reviewer of choice
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Post by Ramone »

Boneless, to me a secret are is a secret area, not a "tricky to get to place"... well.. they can be tricky too but mostly they are hidden, to say this is real secret areas is just dumb... and aboutthe grass... skints grass among the worst grass I know.. however this level had nice gras... not as nazi as skinternals.. also this level seemed pretty fun but didnt bother to play cause... I dunno why... just didnt... Better than normal skint level I guess... Kinda boring that all styles were so obvious.. it is so clearly built for one style.. all shortcuts are so obvius.. and he planned them.. kinda boring... but well.. maybe its just me... cool with long level though... and.
I think this "review" made it seem as I think lower of the level than I normally do... but hell... fawk that... just hoyl to win
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ramone wrote:Kinda boring that all styles were so obvious.. it is so clearly built for one style.. all shortcuts are so obvius..
Maybe for you... I don't think they are too obvious
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ramone wrote:Kinda boring that all styles were so obvious.. it is so clearly built for one style.. all shortcuts are so obvius..
If all styles are that obvious, go on and win this freakin' event ! :wink:
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The_BoneLESS wrote:
ramone wrote:Kinda boring that all styles were so obvious.. it is so clearly built for one style.. all shortcuts are so obvius..
If all styles are that obvious, go on and win this freakin' event ! :wink:
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actually I think you need both to win 8O
you need skills and styles

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The hoyl begin and the end sucks.
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Post by sierra »

505 is horrible. worse than 502.
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505 is very najs, except for the noob placed start :mrhat:
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i agree with tijsjoris...the end is like max rusty and sloppy
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Post by Lukazz »

i really like this lev!!! max best WC lev
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- the pipe is hilarious
- the design is noob
- the grass is made in few seconds
- end is annoying
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yep, what a shit level... my penis can do better :roll:
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Yeash, this was good lev, just as I like them.
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nice lev bat sach faking pie
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I think it's nice level. ez me liek.. just hopas pipe nat ruin teh :/
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i love the level, most fun i have had playing wc level ever
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WHY WHY WHY, OH WHY there's that pipe?!?!?
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Post by dz »

Because of the couple of things, this level is a disaster.

First, why is there a horrible pipe like that? px could have done something about it. If you want to measure "whose the toughest and goes trough pipe" why not just make a pipe level then? Spoiling otherwise good level with an annoying pipe is not really a sign of a succesful level.

If that's not enough, there is several endings and of course they have been done with the principle "ha, do this if you can!", how do you think that will lead into enjoyable playing?

First I liked the level, but when I found out these things mentioned, I'm really disappointed and unwilling to play it at all.
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Heh, and I thought teh pros would like this level.
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