Cheating [AAVV and teh dudz]

Jeppe · Post by **Jeppe** » 12 Jan 2006, 07:04

yeh well aavv was cought cheating in battle sometime ago telling a time 0.02sec better than his actual time0r.

Now i wanna know this

Q 1. what did you think of aavv before you knew he cheated?

Q 2.What do you think of him now?

plz dont remove this topic

jonsterion · Post by **jonsterion** » 12 Jan 2006, 07:07

0.01 secs actually

Fluff · Post by **Fluff** » 12 Jan 2006, 10:26

he was and still is a great guy..why do we have to speak of that again?..he has been punished for what he did so that's enough

Jeppe · Post by **Jeppe** » 12 Jan 2006, 10:33

what punichment did he get? ;o so it might be worth taking a chance and lie time if only get a temporary ban from #battle

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 12 Jan 2006, 10:34

Did that 0.01 make him win instead of tie?

Anyway, I think it is a stupid thing to do that should be punished. Furthermore there is no reason to hold grief against aavv.

Jeppe · Post by **Jeppe** » 12 Jan 2006, 10:44

yes it made him win 0.01 better than jaytea

aavv · Post by **aavv** » 12 Jan 2006, 10:47

yup, i won the battle instead of jaytea for that 0.01 (we were the only two playing, i think). It was supposed to be some sort of wind up, but it didn't really come out well and I later regretted it. Anyway it was the only time i've done it in some 500+ battle wins, so i don't feel like being a cheater, i've done it once only in some 1500 battles i played so far and under quite special conditions - only two people playing, lots of battles in that day, several people doing it in the hours/days before that, etc (not that this is a good enough excuse, of course). Got banned for it for two full days anyway, so I guess i got what i deserved.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 12 Jan 2006, 10:53

omg such cheater!
i might release newest version on 'always showing good time' of elmatim0r and also give it to skint0r in php...
it's quite ez to fix after a few hours of trying to fix that mango patch replay bug

Jeppe · Post by **Jeppe** » 12 Jan 2006, 11:14

been trying to suggest some fucking cunt shit so see everyone who plays battles also.Sometimes you dont have time to finish level if you go for a really hard style.The one who win teh balle tehn shud get credit cuz of winning teh mangos who silently idle bÃ¶gar teer liek axxu for examplez.i reallyz hoep skint0r do sumthing about teh.I kn0w he bean wÃ¶rking max hard on teh new site and stuff but blah...fitta!

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 12 Jan 2006, 11:25

Once a cheater, always a cheater

J-sim · Post by **J-sim** » 12 Jan 2006, 11:49

Jeppe wrote:been trying to suggest some fucking cunt shit so see everyone who plays battles also.Sometimes you dont have time to finish level if you go for a really hard style.The one who win teh balle tehn shud get credit cuz of winning teh mangos who silently idle bÃ¶gar teer liek axxu for examplez.i reallyz hoep skint0r do sumthing about teh.I kn0w he bean wÃ¶rking max hard on teh new site and stuff but blah...fitta!

yes it is very irritating when you realise that someone has probably played but haven't written a time during playing. but i must say iv'e done this myself quite often. mostly because it often happens i start playing a battle when there is 3 minutes left and then i don't really alt tab back to irc before the battle is over (if i even got a time), and then i will ofcourse still join in on watching the replay and commenting the level/replay, saying afterballe times etc. and this does look bad of course. but it's just the way i use #battle, i'm rarely that commited to it. usually i'm surfing the internet, watching tv or doing some other stuff and then occasionally battling. plus i don't use those sound triggers. so i really often start on battles too late and i also really often start playing a level the first couple of minutes and before i even say a time give up on it, just because i maybe don't like the level or because i'm just sucking. and then i'd rather go back to doing those other things...

i don't think there is a good fix for this problem, or if i really even want one. atleast i don't want to be in stats for every single battle level i download. because i do download a lot that i only just open for a minute and then discard. plus i don't see how this could really work in any way on irc (i'm not a scripting guru though). it maybe could work if there in elma2 was a battle server directly in game. this server could then monitor your playing and if you play the level for ie 60-70% of the battle time your time on the level is automatically registered. and if you play less than this percentage you have to put the time by free will.

or what kind of solution where you thinknig of jeppe?!

Jeppe · Post by **Jeppe** » 12 Jan 2006, 11:53

;\ better let some russian explain how thier system workz...but it obvoisly works well..fast to download lev and sach fakk najs stats fakk and everything iz better...thinking of change nationallity to russian.sosi moi hui sweden!!!!!!!

J-sim · Post by **J-sim** » 12 Jan 2006, 11:58

Jeppe wrote:;\ better let some russian explain how thier system workz...but it obvoisly works well..fast to download lev and sach fakk najs stats fakk and everything iz better...thinking of change nationallity to russian.sosi moi hui sweden!!!!!!!

where do they battle?

Jeppe · Post by **Jeppe** » 12 Jan 2006, 12:00

irc.rinet.ru channel elma.ru <- teh i dont think they whane non russians there tho...the place is in harmony..you would only destroy everything.

leave me alone with my russians >:]

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 12 Jan 2006, 12:25

J-sim wrote: i don't think there is a good fix for this problem, or if i really even want one. atleast i don't want to be in stats for every single battle level i download. because i do download a lot that i only just open for a minute and then discard. plus i don't see how this could really work in any way on irc (i'm not a scripting guru though). it maybe could work if there in elma2 was a battle server directly in game. this server could then monitor your playing and if you play the level for ie 60-70% of the battle time your time on the level is automatically registered. and if you play less than this percentage you have to put the time by free will.

or what kind of solution where you thinknig of jeppe?!

One idea I was going to try out was that everyone who wanted to participate in the battle had to announce it to battlebot first, but it would probably just have led to fewer participants.

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 12 Jan 2006, 12:52

well it would highten the quality of battles though, more committed players and that cant be bad.

I think its a great idea to tell battlebot to be able to play... could be some ez command right?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 12 Jan 2006, 14:40

I think that aavv is not cheater. Does 0.01 secs matter so much or is it just one battlewin what makes him cheater?

jaytea · Post by **jaytea** » 12 Jan 2006, 15:29

wouldnt be bad.. to have the lev telling by battlebot in private msg after being requested. although this doesnt stop someone from asking their friends to reupload the level for them (or simply give them the url) so they dont necessarily get into stats

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 12 Jan 2006, 15:44

Raven wrote:I think that aavv is not cheater. Does 0.01 secs matter so much or is it just one battlewin what makes him cheater?

ANY KIND OF CHEATING IS CHEATING. Just so were clear.

Just because Dyrox/Dx didnt get into the moposite blacklist he's still a fucking cheater and the most pathetic scum of the elma world.

but then again aavv's cheat isnt that serious though just plain old stupid, silly, idiotic and pathetic and hopefully he doesnt ever think of doing it again or anyone else, cuz come on.. how low can you sink to cheat in an unofficial battle in a game thats so silly anyway![/b]

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 12 Jan 2006, 15:50

jaytea wrote:wouldnt be bad.. to have the lev telling by battlebot in private msg after being requested. although this doesnt stop someone from asking their friends to reupload the level for them (or simply give them the url) so they dont necessarily get into stats

The point was that you wouldn't be allowed to play the battle unless you had announced that you were playing beforehand.

epp · Post by **epp** » 12 Jan 2006, 18:20

Q 1. what did you think of aavv before you knew he cheated?

Q 2.What do you think of him now?

nat care, bet lotsa people do often without being caught

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 12 Jan 2006, 18:25

If you must cheat, at least do it in style. Like when me and jaytea played a battle in multiplayer mode and got some 10 secs better time.

By the way, I still to this day say that was a legitimate win. There's nothing in the rules that states you have to play in single player mode. It's not #singleplayerbattle. Nobody goes, "ah, anybody up for a single now? All out of multis :S"

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 12 Jan 2006, 18:46

petsen: Official battle mmkay? (no mopobattles are the official MOPObattles)
j-sim: With ELMA2 battle server i think that if you finish level time should automaticly be posted directly (or not if you have checked the 'last min balle time' box) or even betetr would be if the battle starter would set up rules for that battle etc.

skint0r · Post by **skint0r** » 12 Jan 2006, 19:29

I will most likely never make that feature to battlebot, unless whole #battle starts a boycot or something, which I don't see happening anytime soon at least. And although I agree it can be annoying with people that only tell time when they know they'll win and such, is it really that big of a deal? We all have the equal chance of winning the battle. When it comes down to it, the one that has played the best during those 10, 15, 20 etc minutes is the one who wins, wether or not he tells his time after 3mins or 1min before end. If you don't want to get pwned in last minute, just play better

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devan · Post by **devan** » 12 Jan 2006, 19:40

Q 1. what did you think of aavv before you knew he cheated?

i think he is quite a max battle participant

Q 2. What do you think of him now?

since he only cheated versus jaytea, i dont give teh fak. jaytea wins enough battles as is.

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 12 Jan 2006, 19:44

devan wrote:Q 1. what did you think of aavv before you knew he cheated?

i think he is quite a max battle participant

Q 2. What do you think of him now?

since he only cheated versus jaytea, i dont give teh fak. jaytea wins enough battles as is.

So if i cheated to take a wr from toringe it would be ok too cuz he has so many?

thats just nonsense..

devan · Post by **devan** » 12 Jan 2006, 19:46

of course it would not be ok, but its just jaytea we're talking about. he suks kuk (trust me)

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 12 Jan 2006, 20:33

heh fair enough..

but no matter what, cheating should be punished no matter if its moposite contest or battles or anything.. dyrox should for example be president of the black list..

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 12 Jan 2006, 20:53

petsen did you forget abuot darm or do you really think cheating 56 wrs and wcup win is less then lying abuot your TT?

OtorK · Post by **OtorK** » 12 Jan 2006, 20:56

but Dyrox is also max mongo, darm wasn't

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 12 Jan 2006, 21:13

Well then he should be on max mongoest list not black list? there is many more mongo persons then dyrox.

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 12 Jan 2006, 21:46

dyrox told me that he has 32 in the current TAP challenge...that he uses two bounces in his style.....and that he isn't participating......

He's clearly a fucking mongo

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 12 Jan 2006, 22:14

Juski wrote:petsen did you forget abuot darm or do you really think cheating 56 wrs and wcup win is less then lying abuot your TT?

darm is on the black list now isnt he?...

he got his punishment..

dyrox hasnt... we hate for cheating and becuz he's a fuckin menace to this society.. but he hasnt gotten on the blacklist yet.. so not punishment enough.. if he gets there and gets his ban or whatever and then starts to behave around here, we will prolly forgive him too.. darm is now takin the punishment and is cleaning up his act, so we like him better ... besides darm is nice, not a freakin kid that will do anything for attention like dyrox..

Karlis, zyntifox and onla cheated too, but we still like them now dont we? and why? becuz they behave nicely and dont mongo around.. at least not enough to annoy anyone to the standards of dyrox... and sure there are ppl who mongo more than dyrox, but hey at least they dont cheat..

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 12 Jan 2006, 22:43

Dyrox just state edited his mongo TT, what's the big deal? The biggest punishment for him already is the attitude from players around. He didn't cheat a WR, not even a battle win, so why bane?

About battle fakc, imo it would be quite good idea that after level maker msg'es !start vk0.dk/bingo.lev 15 to battlebot, battlebot does fakc so you have 1-2 mins to "/msg battlebot !in" to be in the battle, and only after that the lev url appears in the channel, when you do so, battlebot does +v you and then +m #battle for the duration of battle so only those who did !in can tell times. If you don't tell time you get some punishment maybe, like disqualify from next 3 battles. So no "only tell good times" anymore.

What do you think?

Post by **SveinR** » 12 Jan 2006, 22:51

8-ball wrote:f you don't tell time you get some punishment maybe, like disqualify from next 3 battles. So no "only tell good times" anymore.

HÃ†Ã†?

What if the level doesn't have any apples and is very hard to finish, what if you try a style that you know is really really fast but don't manage to pull it off in time, what if you only play for 2 mins, etc etc etc.

Should be no punishment for not telling time. But there could be some system so that the winner got points according to who many said "in", but just because you were "in", you yourself don't get points if you didn't post your result.

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 12 Jan 2006, 22:54

Good point.

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 12 Jan 2006, 23:23

8-ball wrote:Dyrox just state edited his mongo TT, what's the big deal? The biggest punishment for him already is the attitude from players around. He didn't cheat a WR, not even a battle win, so why bane?

Lucian state edited some times too and he's on the black list, even for sucky times..

but ye dyrox will be forever hated, that might be punishment enough.. but then again, id love to see him where he belongs.... on the black list

aavv · Post by **aavv** » 13 Jan 2006, 05:14

petsen wrote:heh fair enough..

but no matter what, cheating should be punished no matter if its moposite contest or battles or anything.. dyrox should for example be president of the black list..

I got a 2 day ban. Others who admited having cheated at battle, one way or the other, without being punished include jaytea, sierra, zrex, zox, the_ooo, Luther, marci, and some others for sure, i just don't remember. I mean, cheating in battle is not that serious, provided you don't do it systematicaly (or more than once for that matter). No one is supposed to give a fuck, or at least those days it wasn't for most constant battlers. Everybody who I mentioned will simply say: "it was just for fun" or "that didn't really mattered much" etc. I don't mind being set up as an example so that fewer people do it, though, as it gets irritating after a while.

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On the #battle issue, i guess having to register yourself to the battlebot at the beginning of each battle will just ruin a good part of it, which is its carelessness, and i guess it will put aside some people who are only into battles for that: people who battle are primarily just people who play elma and don't care much, except for a few kids that actually control their stats and worry if they win more or less points (and plus, there are the aforementioned issues sveinr wrote about). The 'russian system', though, i'd support it surely, and i guess it should be easier for skint to implement it if some russian guy skickaed teh.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 13 Jan 2006, 08:47

aavv wrote:I mean, cheating in battle is not that serious, provided you don't do it systematicaly (or more than once for that matter).

Agree. Some takes this way to serious. petsen for example

aavv · Post by **aavv** » 13 Jan 2006, 09:09

Boomer wrote:
aavv wrote:I mean, cheating in battle is not that serious, provided you don't do it systematicaly (or more than once for that matter).
Agree. Some takes this way to serious. petsen for example

what i meant was: cheating in *one* battle against a sole opponent out of more than a thousand played is not *that* serious, and doesn't make you a 'cheater', as long as it isn't repeated. general cheating can not be accepted, of course, as it would ruin all the fun.

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 13 Jan 2006, 11:21

again... if i only cheated one wr then it would be ok cuz i didnt do it with all the other wrs ive had (if i had any) ...

aavv im sorry i dont have anything against u, but cheating is cheating no matter how often or for what reason or against whom its done.

thats just my point... of course i can see its not that serious and i surely can see it from your point of view. I just want my point made here, and I hope ppl wont accept those one time oops's cuz then it will escalate to "oh well he did it twice, no harm done" and the next time "oh well 3 times" and so on...

Cheatin in general should not be accepted at all no matter what. And I mean ALL kinds of cheating should it be state editing even without sending to moposite, or sending in replays for another player cuz he didnt have time to drive one himself even though the time sux and battle cheating and of course the kind of cheating that actually get you on the wr table.

Just to be clear here, Im not attacking aavv, Im attacking cheating itself. If one can say so.

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 13 Jan 2006, 11:26

You are so darn paranoid, take it easy. It's just a diddly-darn-o-battle with 2 participants, one of them ultimately being jaytea.

petsen · Post by **petsen** » 13 Jan 2006, 11:32

im not paranoid, i just dont think any kind of cheating should be accepted.

thats fair enough now i think... dont u?

Henkjan · Post by **Henkjan** » 13 Jan 2006, 16:05

sierra wrote:Once a cheater, always a cheater

x2

ciph · Post by **ciph** » 15 Jan 2006, 00:11

id take the 2 day ban to avoid the embarassment of a battle loss to jaytea too!

what did this dyrox character do i missed that?

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 15 Jan 2006, 00:51

i remember I've told wrong time a few times when i didnt use window mode
i simply finished, saw the time, pressed alt+tab and typed, got back and the time was+0.01:)
I haven't fixed that all the times.. but never happened when i won (i didn't win many times and now i use window mode and almost not play battles at all)

Jake · Post by **Jake** » 15 Jan 2006, 18:44

iÂ´ve done 0.01 win once also,so have OooO and several others,but aavv that was 3rd time inside 2 years you do teh that i know ;D

aavv · Post by **aavv** » 17 Jan 2006, 00:46

Rex wrote:iÂ´ve done 0.01 win once also,so have OooO and several others,but aavv that was 3rd time inside 2 years you do teh that i know ;D

You admited yourself to always have posted rec time instead of real time until you were caught. :X I don't remember having cheated any time other than this one. Not that I care much wtf you do or not, less even changing some mongo 0.01 in battle or nat, but that is simply: laye.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » 17 Jan 2006, 02:17

it was just excuse for my doings

dz · Post by dz » 17 Jan 2006, 08:02

So Rex also tend to cheat? Good to know. Who else does that? Confess now!