Deadelous = Nostrada & WR cheating by mrickx

Ambulance · Post by **Ambulance** » 2 Nov 2002, 13:40

Pipe 34.11 and Tricks Abound 54.20 I belive it was. And yes, they were actual non cheated replays driven by someone else. I just used stateedit, but it's just as bad as other kind of cheating I would say.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 2 Nov 2002, 15:04

but there is still one question unanswered:
what will happen to dd's steppes?

1. cheated - wr belongs to janne
2. stay there as it is - 12.16
3. change the time to 12.15 or 12.14 (who knows)
4. result of the poll

..and i wonder who will decide

Post by **Abula** » 2 Nov 2002, 15:19

ciph wrote:All I know is the Deadelous/dz tandem is legendary, equivalent to champ/bobbo and zeth/lox.

Or Jokke/Karlis :].

Alazorn · Post by **Alazorn** » 2 Nov 2002, 15:52

Cheating must never be accepted nor understood. Punishment must be swift and severe

DacBitch · Post by **DacBitch** » 2 Nov 2002, 20:07

milagros wrote:but there is still one question unanswered:
what will happen to dd's steppes?

1. cheated - wr belongs to janne
2. stay there as it is - 12.16
3. change the time to 12.15 or 12.14 (who knows)
4. result of the poll

..and i wonder who will decide

I WILL DECIDE, and my decision is that the time is changing to 12.14 immediately :wink:

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 2 Nov 2002, 20:54

can't milagrox try his tool to determine the time?

Post by **Abula** » 2 Nov 2002, 21:48

BarTek wrote:ambulance

was it not u who in the old mopoloauta who had SOOOO much to say to my face when i said deadulous was a cheater/other person?

you looser, u defended deadlouos and wrote like 400 lines to my post to put me on place...now look who was right

or maybe u knew about this elrier? well then u deserve more + illigiality points on moposite ok?

http://pub65.ezboard.com/fmopolautafrm1 ... =212.topic
http://pub65.ezboard.com/fmopolautafrm1 ... =142.topic
http://pub65.ezboard.com/fmopolautafrm1 ... =244.topic

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 3 Nov 2002, 00:01

i cheated on me gurlfriend and i didnt get six months away from gurls,
just caus they arnt allowed to be on wr table for six months doesnt mean they will stop playin elma and just send in all there wr.

that is not becaus i think its alrite to cheat but i dont really c a point to banning people....

just i thought...

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 3 Nov 2002, 00:34

ribot wrote:can't milagrox try his tool to determine the time?

yaya, give me the rec

Ambulance · Post by **Ambulance** » 3 Nov 2002, 02:09

Well, even though I have been away from the elma scene for atleast 9 months, I can see that things havn't changed. BarTek is still the same shitbag as he used to be.

From all the posts on old mopolauta i botherd to read through I did not find one post from you where you said DDlous was a cheater. The only posts you had was your idiotic opinions about how DDlous could be the same person as zynti. And then it turned out that --I-- was right, and not you. Which also proves I DIDN'T know who DDlous actually were. All I was doing was defendig zynti so that he shouldn't be mistaken for someone else. So drop dead or something...I'd really apriciate it.

But since we are really off topic now, I thought I should end my post with a german drinking shout i learnt today on this party:

JAWOHL, JAWOHL. ICH LIEBE ALCOHOL! ICH TRINKE KEINE COLA NEIN ICH LIEBE ALCOHOL!

--Ambulance--

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 3 Nov 2002, 06:00

ich leibe alcohol nicht,

but u play elma beta

(sorry of topic)

mrickx · Post by **mrickx** » 3 Nov 2002, 19:59

Ambulance, your Tricks Abound rec was delated because YeeS said so. He said that if everybody knows its his drive he wants it back.

Ambulance · Post by **Ambulance** » 3 Nov 2002, 22:16

ok..im alittle lost now..If everyone knows it's his rec, i have to give it back to him? How is that possible now? Besides everyone knows it's his rec, and everyone has it, or a better one..but ok..gimme his email and ill email it to him if thats your point..

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 4 Nov 2002, 20:50

mrickx wrote:Ambulance, your Tricks Abound rec was delated because YeeS said so. He said that if everybody knows its his drive he wants it back.

then why wasn't his pipe totalnewbie's?

Ambulance · Post by **Ambulance** » 5 Nov 2002, 08:35

Here's an idea. Why don't we stop talking about me and stay with the subject in this thread!? And yes: The pipe rec was Totalnew's. But if you really have some kind of desire to discuss this all over again, go to the old mopolauta and reply on my topic in there. 0k!=?!?

Kain · Post by **Kain** » 8 Nov 2002, 11:44

dz wrote:toringe = stene = yees

How the hell did you come up with that?

Post by **Abula** » 8 Nov 2002, 16:43

Kain wrote:
dz wrote:toringe = stene = yees
How the hell did you come up with that? :?

Are you blind or what? All of them have vowels in their nicks, it's so obvious.

Antz · Post by **Antz** » 8 Nov 2002, 21:22

dz wrote:toringe = stene = yees

it's not just vowels!

nick/lenght/pronouncable: (not like antzxcxz etc)
toringe/7/yes
stene/5/yes
yees/4/yes

they're all almost same length. (7+5+4)/3=5.33..
x(max)=x1=7 ; x(min)=x3=4 ; 7-5.33=1.66 ; 5.33-4=1.33
compared to average, their length varies less than 2 letters!!!!! OMG! but that's not all!

they're all pronouncable names. it's unlikely that a person would create absolutely different nicks. YES!!! IT'S INCREDIBLE!!!!

similarities:
all have letter 'e'
toringe and stene have 't' , 'n' and 'e'
yees and stene have 's' and TWO 'e':s!
there are so many similarities that it's easy to notice a pattern in them. a pattern means that the creators' minds are similar. and the most obvious solution would be that they are made by the same person

after seeing these incredible results, can there any more be room for doubt?!

eL · Post by eL » 8 Nov 2002, 21:35

IMO cheaters are worst kuskis, and i don't understand, why aren't they banned forever. CHEATING! What were you thinking about?! You play good! And other sleepless hoyly night won't do anything bad after all those!

And punishment: i think you got my point - ban, maybe not forever, but, probably, for time, or for event, like WCup. Because there can't be anything worse, than cheating.

Kain · Post by **Kain** » 9 Nov 2002, 16:22

Abula wrote:
Kain wrote:
dz wrote:toringe = stene = yees
How the hell did you come up with that?
Are you blind or what? All of them have vowels in their nicks, it's so obvious.

So that's the reason you think they're the same person?

GodFather · Post by **GodFather** » 9 Nov 2002, 20:20

I always thought Stene was finnish and YeeS swedish

and now toringe is norwegian.... I'm so stoned right now

OMG

If we R making conclusions I have some: Bery stopped playing an year or two ago. Then came BeryBest

Now he stopped playing and the scene was interrupted by a new guy.... FatherGod

Could these three guys be the same... I don't think so

huahauhaua.... that wasn't phunny

dz · Post by dz » 9 Nov 2002, 20:26

sure wasn't

Post by **Abula** » 17 Jan 2003, 01:54

Update:

Both Nostrada and mrickx had cheated several WRs, actually all the WRs (one freefall WR by Weird-AAL isn't sure) they have ever made. Therefore both guys got bans, Nostrada forever.

No one left in REM anymore. RIP.

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 12 Feb 2003, 00:08

Please tell how I can be sure they are cheated. Just because MopoSite is hte big Center of elma and closest to official doesnt mean you are allwasy right. USA are damn big and that dont prevent them form making big mistakes.

And you Abula dont know about programming, so how can you knwo for sure, you only know Milas and MGens words... so, how can you be sure. If mila are as good on programming as he claims I bet he could frame anyone... or am I wrong.

I didnt say Nost didnt cheat, just that you cant be sure. Just try to explain how you can tell. I understand that you dotn wanna tell how ppl cheated cause it can give other ppl ideas etc. But I think ppl deserve to know, so we can decide for ourself. And to see if the proof is valid.

Post by **Abula** » 12 Feb 2003, 01:01

Because I can't program I must trust those guys. Of course I could lie too if I was programmer. If both milagros and MGen made two different programs for me to trick me and the whole scene I can quit.

When they explain it to me it sounds very clear and makes sense. I have told Nostrada that he has four choices, he hasn't answered. I don't like to discuss with him anymore because he is so silent and so hard to get speaking.

Choices:
1) Pay MGen or milagros to travel to his home to test his computer (so he can prove it's different out of 1000)
2) Send his computer to MGen or milagros, same thing
3) Admit he lies
4) Ask milagros or MGen code a monitoring program

Results can be:
1) Nostrada has something that MGen and milagros didn't think (maybe the end of Moposite)
2) Nostrada gets more cheating fame and ribot will praise him for tricking everybody
3) Nostrada didn't know he was cheating but he won't get WRs back and maybe the forever ban can taken off

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 12 Feb 2003, 01:06

but how can you not know your cheating
stuff like that cant just happen to one guy all the time, if it was like it happened to lots of peple once then it may me just a glitch or some shit like that,

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 12 Feb 2003, 01:42

Abula. Ok. Good answer. About what I wanted to hear. I just meant I canÂ´t be 100% sure. And so said you.

That cleared up some things for me.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 12 Feb 2003, 02:29

mgen or mila has to travel to his home? how about if some other kuski travels to his home, someone from norway? of course not eml, but how about magnusb or something..

Post by **Abula** » 12 Feb 2003, 11:35

Traveller should have some programming experience.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 12 Feb 2003, 21:00

why? isn't it true that u claim he uses half speed when it looks like normal speed? i dont think u need to be a programmer to see if it's half speed, in fact i think any kuski could feel if it's normal elma by playing a while.

Post by **Abula** » 12 Feb 2003, 22:26

So you think playing with half speed isn't cheating. We think it is.

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 12 Feb 2003, 22:33

Abula wrote:So you think playing with half speed isn't cheating. We think it is.

Was that meant to ribot ??

If so: How do you concluse that from what he said ???????

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 12 Feb 2003, 22:48

Abula: Ribot meant anyone would feel if it was normal elma or not after playing for a whil ewith it. Not that it would feel like normal if it was slomo.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 12 Feb 2003, 23:06

yes i meant that a kuski can feel if it's normal elma if they play on his computer, and then they can send u a rec abula. i didnt mean half speed is not cheat.

Post by **Abula** » 13 Feb 2003, 01:56

Neither we will ever know whether Nostrada knew or not. He may be able to show us that there is an opportunity that he didn't know but for sure we can't ever know that. Vice versa.

m0nkeii · Post by **m0nkeii** » 13 Feb 2003, 08:08

i don't get it. wouldn't someone be able to see if the bike is moving 50% as fast as it should be? i think that is pretty damn obvious
and how could he be cheating without knowing it? i just don't get it

KD · Post by KD » 13 Feb 2003, 09:19

It's not a reliable cheat-detecting method i think at all.

Post by **Abula** » 13 Feb 2003, 11:26

KD wrote:It's not a reliable cheat-detecting method i think at all.

Because?

KD · Post by KD » 13 Feb 2003, 11:36

Or Nostra will show his real elma for the man who visits him? Or i dunno.

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 13 Feb 2003, 12:37

ribot wrote:but how about magnusb or something..

I live far, far away from Nostrada and EML.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 13 Feb 2003, 13:43

if someone plays at nostradas computer, not noticing any specific difference that would be an advantage in elma, and then sends a rec to abula, the rec shows half speed like nost's other recs, it should be enough to prove that the detecting tools are not trustable?

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 13 Feb 2003, 15:28

the fact is that it's not possible to do recs like nostrada did (for those who think it's unreliable)...that can be proven ..just look into elma.exe:)
i wonder why do you believe nostrada..abula did all things nostrada told to him to get same result (patching..unpatching) and every time it showed good result
he told that always he used 500 timescale for watching replays and then he changed it back to 1000 to play...maybe he forgot 40 times and made 40 wrs:)
btw. the recs nostrada made last days were ok..so it doesn't depend on comp

Post by **Abula** » 13 Feb 2003, 18:31

ribot wrote:if someone plays at nostradas computer, not noticing any specific difference that would be an advantage in elma, and then sends a rec to abula, the rec shows half speed like nost's other recs, it should be enough to prove that the detecting tools are not trustable?

Yes I think so but only if "someone" is trustable enough. But of course they can make a deal (money, recs etc) and "someone" will lie too.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 14 Feb 2003, 01:24

milagros wrote:the fact is that it's not possible to do recs like nostrada did (for those who think it's unreliable)...that can be proven ..just look into elma.exe:)

could u explain how it is impossible?

also this topic is discussed with half truths. abula knows that nost has two computers, does mila know this?

why do i believe nost? im not gonna mistreat some person because u expect me to, no one but nost himself has told me what all this is about. and i dont know how u guys communicate, cos u say he did all things and all recs were fine, but apparently that's not the whole truth. the recs from one puter were fine, and that puter is not nost's hÃ¶yl puter. the hÃ¶yl puter gave the "impossible" results.

KD · Post by KD » 14 Feb 2003, 12:53

I guess he was faster than original bike speed, or something like that.

Post by **Abula** » 16 Feb 2003, 22:02

ribot: Nostrada can always lie if he drove the replays in other computer or not. And even the timescales that he used can be lied, of course.

I wonder why Nostrada can't tell me (maybe here?) how "things" are then.

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 17 Feb 2003, 00:00

we all can lie abula. hasn't nost said how things are? that he didn't cheat.

mila hasn't explained his logics, and it doesn't matter how good programmer u r, it's not that easy to see all sides of logic.

imho it doesn't seem like u wanna solve anything, rather that u want nost out of the scene. because there are many things which u dont say, even tho they are related to the discussion, and u don't seem to even wanna discuss it at all. but what if nost didn't cheat, what if?

maybe u can go to nost yourself abu and drive some recs with normal timescale, and then test the rec with the program and see if it shows 500 timescale.

Post by **Abula** » 17 Feb 2003, 00:39

I don't know what you mean "you don't want to discuss nor answer to the questions". Put here a list of questions and I'll answer what I can. I was travelling two days in this weekend if this what you mean.

We have already solved this. There isn't much to do anyway. Just tell me what should I do. For real I won't travel to Norway, at least if I have to pay the trip myself. Isn't this getting a bit hilarious?

I think I have told everything necessary which I can. Would be better to hear MGen and milagros if they have something more to tell but unfortunately they aren't too active these days.

At least one thing is 100% sure which you can agree too, I guess. Since Nostrada's replays aren't normal they can't be accepted to the lists (Nostrada agreed himself). This whole after-talk is about Nostrada's Elma future and his reliability as a person.

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 17 Feb 2003, 01:40

i dont think that cheating in some game can determine how reliable you are as a person,
out side the game he might be the straigtest person that walked the earth

MagnusB · Post by **MagnusB** » 17 Feb 2003, 11:36

But Nostrada is a "rebel".... :)

Deadelous = Nostrada & WR cheating by mrickx

cheated wr's

Cheating

Re: !

times does not change

lost

well ill be..

eh?