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Cheat:

30. Pipe (#072) - 33,53 by Totalnew [SC] (real time is 33,56)
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31. Animal Farm (#051) - 1:22,41 by Totalnew [SC] (real time is 1:22,42)

Very smart cheat (or a mistake?), doh.
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Mistake:

32. Steep Corner (#090) - 43,57 by Cloud (real time is 43,58)


Edit: Cloud had sent wrong replay to PeXi, now we have the correct one.
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Abula wrote:Cheat:

30. Pipe (#072) - 33,53 by Totalnew [SC] (real time is 33,56)
if that was a cheat didnt ViperKillerGuy have a wr then he had 33.54 when total had that wr i think... or am i wrong....
Viper plz respond on this
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Weird time:

36. Fruit in the Den (#082) - 1:00,70 by MadMan [EM] (real time is 1:00,67)

Eh..?


Edit: I had gotten wrong replay somewhere but mick sent me the correct replay so this is solved now.
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41. Framework (#041) - 40,13 by Totalnew [SC] (real time is 40,14)

Seems like Totalnew has had a bad habbit to edit the time always 0,01 better, stupid.
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41. Framework (#091) - 39,81 by Quido [CART] (real time is 39,85)
41. Framework (#094) - 39,73 by Quido [FS] (real time is 39,85)

I'm not sure if I already told both of these, nevermind.
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51. Tricks Abound (#057) - 54,20 by Yees [SRX] (real time is 54,22)

But wasn't this the WR that Ambulance stole from YeeS and sent in as his own replay and also edited the time 0,02 better? I think so.
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BarTek wrote:MopuahAHahahahAHH!

i wanna see the new blacklist ok abula?

also i never thought sooooo many would stateedit their wr's 0,01 secs hohoh..sensless ok...if they already got wr.....anyway:

ABULA: also check some under 10 seconds hoyla levs in mopocontest, and hoyla mission espicially.

and is mrickx wr on new wave cheated with something else? should he keep it? cuz i wanna try to get it if it goes back to pajen..hohoh!
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ok i neva saw this thread until rite now and its fuken amazing, i neva new any of this shit was going on, mouth open, gahhhhhhhh
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any cheats in the Wc4 so far?

And abula you are the nr one not chetarer and how can you still let a cheater like Karlis in your team?....I think every cheat, doesn´t matter how small should result in that those player i of the WR-table and all other big competitions....They have runied the game and it´s no more then right to kick them out of the Elma scene....
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just wondering, how long does it take to check one replay? whole time of the ride?
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Jonas wrote:any cheats in the Wc4 so far?

And abula you are the nr one not chetarer and how can you still let a cheater like Karlis in your team?....I think every cheat, doesn´t matter how small should result in that those player i of the WR-table and all other big competitions....They have runied the game and it´s no more then right to kick them out of the Elma scene....
At least mrickx has cheated in WCup.

You think I knew about Karlis' cheats? No one knew except Karlis himself untill know. If I was "with" Karlis and his cheats I wouldn't have told it publically. Or maybe you meant that I should kick Karlis out of FM? There is this tiny problem that Jokke and Karlis founded the team and I just joined them with mr so I'm not any kind of boss there.
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dz wrote:just wondering, how long does it take to check one replay? whole time of the ride?
Open a folder containing in the program and you get listed all of them where you see all the details and the correct time. Then you just compare the time to the lists (WR development in this care) to see if they are same. So maybe 10 secs per replay.
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MadMan's weird time is solved, we had a wrong replay, thanks to mick.
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Ok....yeah that what it...I just tought you were the boss there....then he should kick himself out of the team... :lol: :lol: :lol: ....It really great this program....wee...I ope you will get them all.....
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Cloud's Steep Corner time is solved, he sent wrong replay to PeXi by accident, we have the correct replay now.
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Just recieved KD's 43,42 replay.
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Cheat or just a wrong replay?

8. Tag (#051) - 21,91 by Karlis [FM] (real time is 21,93)
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Cheat:

14. Loop-de-Loop (#051) - 18,28 by oizo! [SC] (real time is 18,29)
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DAMN I'm angry... this is so low..did'nt think so many cheated!!!

2. Flat Track (table #060) - 16,73 by zyntifox [SC] (real time is 16,75)
this was very... well did'nt think so about Zynti...

Why do they cheat??
I mean there's around 0,01-0,03 mostley they cheat...
is it cus they get angry and "just" cheat those tiny tiny, and think like: eh with höyl I could have beated it.., so they dont hvae to lay down so much time..

blaeeee.... low low...

Have u started to check some Wcup replays also ? or?
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Big Big Big Credits to Mgen and Milagros :!:

You guys really did a Great job here... scene will recover and things will be much better :D


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BarTek it seems you are forgetting that DarMoeD also has 1,29 so you will not beat PAJENS wr....you will have to beat dmd's time :PP

to all (many new players mainly........) saying "kick these people out of scene!!! BE Strong, Dont quit until they are GONE!!!"........you dont understand.....you cannot kick someone such as karlis, hes an important part of elma scene.....punishment, yes......make him quit, nono!
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Heavens no, dont make them quit, they can still learn from their mistakes, and now that these good anti cheat programs are doing a good job, they might stop cheating...
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If only you were right petsen.
But there are always new cheat techniques. Or can this cheat-detector find ALL kind of cheats? Abu? If it's so, then we should really give cheat0rz another chance. But of course some punishmant is needed.
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If cheating can be detected, then theres really no problem...
A punishment, ban or something, unable to enter next contest, blah blah, and hopefully they'll stop, if they dont, another punishment, probably stricter than just a ban.
I dunno, its up to Abula/Pexi really...
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Yep, it's always possible to cheat but now again it's a bit harder.

mrDJ and AAL got another opportunity but most likely they didn't learn. At least Nostrada will be banned from the Moposite forever if we can be sure he cheated. That's my opinion.
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ChuckleS wrote:I dunno, its up to Abula/Pexi really...
Personally I hope that Abula/Pexi will not only decide everything themselves, but also ask the rest of the community about what to do with the cheaters. They are the owners of the Moposite, but they're not the owners of the whole community.
Their opinions are very important too of course.
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Anybody who might have Jokke's Ramp Frenzy replay of time 1:00,02? Mail it to jokke@moposite.com or abula@moposite.com, thanks.

I haven't started to go through contest replays yet but Uube and Miguel have lied about 20 record times according to their own words. Yes, they announced them by themselves.
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It's good if people admit it themselves, it makes it easier to find the cheats. And they're going to be caught anyway now, eventually.
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MagnusB wrote:It's good if people admit it themselves, it makes it easier to find the cheats. And they're going to be caught anyway now, eventually.
yeap, and at least i really admire it. it requires guts, but its way lotta nicer way to come up with that than to be revealed publically without knowing anything.
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Ok, I ckecked Kinglist records and:

MCHM013 - 8,66 by freak [FRC] (real time 8,67)
MCHM019 - 9,50 by freak [FRC] (real time 9,51)
MCHM030 - 9,83 by paul [FRC] (real time 9,86)
MOPCU059 - 13,94 by Uube [ReC] (real time is 13,96)
MOPCU062 - 44,69 by zo3 [REM] (real time is 44,70)
MOPCU064 - 36,13 by Uube [ReC] (real time is 36,15)
MOPCU071 - 55,14 by Uube [ReC] (real time is 55,15)
MOPCU075 - 12,70 by zo3 [REM] (real time is 12,72)
Lost45 - 30,03 by zo3 [REM] (real time is 30,06)
MCLE016 - 53,77 by BarTek [CF] (real time is 53,78)

Moreover EML's Lost Internal records are suspicious.
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I've never heard of these FRC people, but their cheating proves that this probably hasn't been very hard to do. I wonder where all the cheaters have gotten the program from in the first place...
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<Mick0r> ok i tell you now. i made my hang tight time 0.02 faster
<Abula> you wouldnt have got caught ..
<Abula> give the state.dat and i fix it
<Mick0r> i know
<Mick0r> but i dont feel right
<Mick0r> i thought about not telling
<Mick0r> but then, i thought that i feel bad. everyone getting caught
<Mick0r> and i wont
<Mick0r> not fair
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That rec is/was NOT a wr in case anyone wondered.
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There will be a Whitelist on Moposite where you get if we checked all your personal internal record replays. More info later.
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"humiliation"
"PAY FOR THEIR SINS"
"you're supposed to hate all who appear on the list"

err, this is growing way too big. Maybe to you elma is all about records and some 0,01 time differences but for me that is only small part of this game. Of course it's nice to get your names to record lists and so on, the problem is some people stare too much at those and dont mind about all the other fun stuff. "OMG must beat more WRs to get respect from other players"
...and this "hall of shame" stuff is pretty lol, maybe we should go there every day at 18.00 and concentrate to hate these baad baad people. I havent mind a thing about the current blacklist, it was just cool to check those illegality recs so I think it doesnt affect even if it would be called something like "The list of biggest elma losers around, real bunch of lamers who suck and have ugly noses!!!"
Don't get me wrong, cheating IS wrong and it's really great thing this program was made. If it can check almost every cheat then what's the problem, let all the players remain in the scene and compete with us like they have done before. Banning people brings just new fake nicks. I dont know yet+ how have Nostra cheated expect the few state edits but he is still a DAMN good player...same with Karlis. One thing I dont understand is that how mrix made that bigger time difference every time and no one noticed.

I feel kinda sorry for these players who only play for boring WRs. But at the same time it's pretty cool to watch which are the next cheaters. At least I enjoy this 8) (also makes me feel a little better :wink: )

Have fun and dont get too paranoid, remember it's only a tinytiny mopogame
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Abula wrote:Yep, it's always possible to cheat but now again it's a bit harder.

mrDJ and AAL got another opportunity but most likely they didn't learn. At least Nostrada will be banned from the Moposite forever if we can be sure he cheated. That's my opinion.
I dont think it will help to ban Nos/aal/dd again he'll just make up a new cool nick and start over...

lets figure out a proper and hard punishment for guys like him instead...

dont start banning ppl, cause the wr table would not be correct either they can still do wrs but are just not allowed to get on the wr table, i would feel funny if i made a wr in fx warmup .. lets say 14.03 and someon told me that nostrada has 14.01 without cheating but just isnt allowed to send it to the wr list, then my wr would NOT be a wr, and then its not fun anymore... :cry:
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And about those Moposite contest where you send the rec and write your times, it's VERY easy to make mistakes there. When you have like 40recs to send and try to do the writing job as fast as possible there might be some mistakes. Höylä mission can be different because there 0,01 matters more...and seems like zo3 had done that 0,03 on purpose...dammit REM, dz should quit there
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i heard he already did left rem?
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petsen wrote:dont start banning ppl, cause the wr table would not be correct either they can still do wrs but are just not allowed to get on the wr table, i would feel funny if i made a wr in fx warmup .. lets say 14.03 and someon told me that nostrada has 14.01 without cheating but just isnt allowed to send it to the wr list, then my wr would NOT be a wr, and then its not fun anymore... :cry:
Makes sense, good point.
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Tisk wrote:i heard he already did left rem?
yeh me single
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Tisk wrote:i heard he already did left rem?
what?
he left REM ???

dz comment plz ! :?
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ups sorry didnt see that... sorry dz
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umm, what about DarMoeD and Jeppe?

Hoylas will ever be kings....

i guess nothing was discovered about them so far

well, just shows how they really RESPECT the game. :D
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uuuh, dz is single, wanna start going out with me :oops:
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I'm not sure if I told that Totalnew cheated in Bumpy Journey (#060) but because we cannot be sure about that we remove that one from the cheated WRs list.
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One cheat more:

8. Tag - 21,91 by Karlis [FM] (real time is 21,93)


PS. Jokke's 1:00,02 Ramp Frenzy replay still missing.
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damnit why do so many people cheat (wrs in elastomania) tzzz tzz
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