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Which program do u use for checking da W-Records? Is there any official prog 4 that u can download anywhere? (just curiosity) :?:
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Vaitork wrote:Which program do u use for checking da W-Records? Is there any official prog 4 that u can download anywhere? (just curiosity) :?:
It's not public because cheaters would get help of it to see what we can detect etc.
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obvious. sorry, forget about it... good night then :beer:
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First guy revealed his cheat times. Current table: correct time of Gravity Ride WR is 25,48 by Karlis [FM]. Also Karlis' Turnaround 39,81 (table #057) real time is 39,83. So Karlis has currently 0,01 too good time in Gravity Ride (will be fixed in next table) and he has never had Turnaround WR legally.

Brieftly:
- Current WR of Gravity Ride should be 25,48
- Karlis has never had Turnaround WR legally, it was pajen who beat Champin0N's very old WR

More people are coming, mail me yourself and it's better. I will wait 12 hours before I publish five new guys (holders of current WRs). Statedit cheat means time fixing in the lists and blacklist, no banning from the scene.

Even Karlis himself wasn't able to tell why he statedited Gravity Ride...
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OMG YOU'RE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF CHEATERS!!!


HAIL JEPPE FOR BEING THE CLEANEST ELMA PLAYER AROUND!
Im just a pretty boy or whatever you call it.
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Not a cheat but mistake on the current table: Zig Zag - 1:04,24 should be 1:04,26 by TorInge [IC]. It's PeXi's fault and will be fixed. In records TorInge has 1:04,26 which proves it though he could have told to us about that mistake.

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KD has sent his 43,43 replay to PeXi when he should have sent 43,42. Not a cheat because there was no way to check (for normal player) what is the exact time of the replay. KD promised to mail us his 43,42 replay to prove the time.


Edit: got KD's 43,42 replay.
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The rest WRs that have wrong time on the current table:

10. Steppes 12,16 by Nostrada (once it was fixed to 12,14 but it's 12,16)
16. New Wave 1:29,82 by mrickx (on the table it is 1:29,71)
39. Framework 39,85 by Quido (on the table it is 39,73)

Quido's and mrickx's WRs are strange and most likely to be cheated in different way than for example Karlis' normal statedit cheats. We are researching more.
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10 seconds look to old WRs and I found Quido's Shelf Life WR in table #93 was a cheat. The real time of the rec is 36,42 but he told it is 36,3x (most likely not only statedited cheat).
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Bumpy Journey, table #093, time 37,36 by Quido (same as mick had) and he told it was 37,30.
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46. Bowling, #082, 1:03,11 by mrickx [REM]

Statedit cheat at least, 1:03,14 is a real one.
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looks like the good guys got the bad guys after all
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Maybe you shouldn't post any more cheated times here abula, looks like there are a lot of them....
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just go on...it's nice to read them as they are found
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the opposite of the illegality list would contain less name...
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I cant tell what feeling caught me visiting this forum.. It's so exasperating that so many guys cant belive that they have to play more for a wr, or they cant get it. Is it worth to cheat their times, and ruin the elma world? I can't belive that someone gets for ex. 14:08 at warm up. Of course he edits the state.dat (after all, why not), and he gets a new wr at the next table. Than can he look at it saying: "Oh yeah, i got a wr!! It's my name on the official list, i am better than anyone at this level!!"
Maybe i'm just too honest, or you may say im a looser and not brave enough to have lots of wrs, but it really makes me sad to see those wrs which were cheated, and of course everybody belived them
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I agree with TomCat of course. Cheating brings no satisfaction, only guilt.
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cheating :(((

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Abula wrote:
dz wrote:so is moposite going to "fix" old tables or leave all cheated times permanently there?
Fix, it will be very easy with a new program. Maybe we make a list of cheated WRs somewhere.
About that cheated list thing...
NOT a good idea! then ppl will soon hoyl for cheated wr and many more will start to cheat...
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i kinda agree with petsen. there are always ppl who just want to damage the system, and what could be better award for them than getting their name and "the result of work" into public, into history.. thats what they aim for i think
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You think it will be some kind of honor to be on the "spank-list"?! Get real!
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MagnusB... Some ppl might take pride in it, why else would they cheat in the first place ???
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I think they should be punised seriously.. We (or abu or px dont know) must do something agaist it, or everybody will cheat, for there is nothing after it. (just look at weird-aal's and mrDJ's cheating. They got wrs after if was found that they cheated)
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TomCat...
I have to agree on that.
Cheaters should be punished ... hard so the wont do it again...

Maybe a punishent of 10e for every cheated time to give moposites creates some money to work with :D
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There was a misunderstanding: Karlis didn't use Champi0N's replay but his own which real is 39,83. Champi0N had 39,82 and Karlis send to the table his 39,83 replay and statedited it to 39,81.
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The sad thing is: since none of the accused ones protested at all so far, I think it's safe to assume that the "WR-cops" are doing a good job. But still, anyone other than Abula and PeXi should not start investigating recs and/or spreading (false) accusations. A witch-hunt does more harm to the community than good.
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About the list of the cheated WRs: we had a long debute (someone seeks it on old mopolauta) should we fix the old WR tables when AAL and mrDJ got caught. Me and mrickx, for example, wanted to fix them but many people didn't because they belong to history etc. Therefore I thought about a compromise: fix the tables but mention all the chetead WRs somewhere.
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well they were/are cheated, and should never have been on the list in the first place....
I say delete them.
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maybe you're right, cos when someone had a 2. place after a cheated wr, his name wasnt on the table, but should have been
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petsen wrote:MagnusB... Some ppl might take pride in it, why else would they cheat in the first place ???
Nobody cheats because they hope to be caught. They cheat because they think they can get away with it. "Why not? No one will know anyway."
If someone are actually proud of cheating and getting caught, they need to check their brains for illegal content, such as braincells.

On the other issue: I agree with Abula. Fix the records, but save the information on a "hall of shame" or something like that.
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Newest cheat (old WR):

30. Pipe - 33,33 by Tutin (czech player) is 33,37 for real.
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MagnusB wrote:
petsen wrote:MagnusB... Some ppl might take pride in it, why else would they cheat in the first place ???
Nobody cheats because they hope to be caught. They cheat because they think they can get away with it. "Why not? No one will know anyway."
If someone are actually proud of cheating and getting caught, they need to check their brains for illegal content, such as braincells.

On the other issue: I agree with Abula. Fix the records, but save the information on a "hall of shame" or something like that.
I didnt say that they hoped to get caught, but they might still take pride in it because their names appear on the wr list...
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Cheaters should be banned forever. No Comment.
If we don't bann them, then they will go on cheating, and make our game to be ashamed. Bann them.
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they might still take pride in it because their names appear on the wr list...
I really hope that kind of people doesn't exist.
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already something called "black list" if thats what u guys where loking for
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Abula i think a poll about the cheaters would be a good idea
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MagnusB wrote:
they might still take pride in it because their names appear on the wr list...
I really hope that kind of people doesn't exist.
well, why else would they cheat ?
It seams to me that they do it to get their names on the list so they can be proud of themselves even though its fake...[/url]
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Post by onlainari »

it seems like abula has now a program that can catch every cheater,so I don't think they are going to make a comeback. I'm not going to make a cheat-come-back. I just lay low,play diz n dat...just chillingz wWwWwooOoo0oOo
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I see what you mean now petsen, you're talking about, or talking as if you are talking about, the WR-list.
The list I'm talking would be titled "The List of Losers", have a disclaimer on the bottom reading that you're supposed to hate all who appear on the list and that it's perfectly ok to kill them if you happen to meet them some time, and it would probably be green and have an ugly low-res fire animation for a background.

Not the kind of list you want to be on.... capeech?!
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lol magnus, btw, who cares if they cheated? its ok.
Im just a pretty boy or whatever you call it.
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XTC wrote:lol magnus, btw, who cares if they cheated? its ok.
Mmmm i doubt much people share ur point of view :roll:... Abula in top of the list :x
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Vaitork wrote: Abula in top of the list :x
ehmm.. I don´t exactly get that one... Do you mean that Abula should be in top of the "shamelist" .. the list where cheaters were supposed to be ??

If so, then .. why ???

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he means some folks dont agree on xtc's point of view, especially abula
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dz wrote:he means some folks dont agree on xtc's point of view, especially abula
Thanx dz, that's exactly what i meant... Sheesshh I'm just a beginner! I didn't want Abula to ban me on my initial posts 8O
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it's hard to find out that some nice guy u've met in irc and who is a good player is caught in cheating =/. i like to cheat in games, but not like this. my cheating is like using nitro; for my own fun. this kind of cheating is low. i think the best punishment for them is to ban them from any competitions for a certain amount of time.
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It should be eternally... THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR SINS :twisted: ... ok i'm exagerating, but i think that if they had the oportunity once, maybe they're gonna try to cheat again with effective stealthy ways? I dunno if they should be forgiven... Anyway, I guess that's Abula & Pexi's job, isn't it?

Btw I DO have nitro patch and find no problem with it... I'm agree with Antz... it's clean, pure fun (on my opinion), but not THAT kind of crap, please! >:-@
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the key is humiliation

instead of making cheaters proud of being on the blacklist, make them shameful

the blacklist should have lots of things saying how bad the cheaters are, paying them out, saying how they are destroying the elma scene

if cheaters are banned from the wr list, they WILL make another nick. unless, if they are too humiliated and shameful to return to the scene. if a kuski is mad at everybody they will hopefully quit forever and that is what we want
we have to find who the cheatsers are, and treat them like dirt until they quit

also, for the tables. the real (not cheated) wr should be in the correct place with a footnote ( * ). the footnote at the bottom of the page will say the cheated wr
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New cheat time found:

2. Flat Track (table #060) - 16,73 by zyntifox [SC] (real time is 16,75)
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Cheat:

8. Tag (#092) - 21,60 by mrickx [REM] (real time is 21,79)
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New cheat or mistake though we never will know for sure if it is a cheat or mistake because the time doesn't exist anymore in the driver's top10. Anyway:

24. Ramp Frenzy (#005) 1:00,02 by Jokke [FM] (real time is 1:00,04)

There isn't much sense to lie this time by Jokke (because he beat the WR by over 0,6) so maybe Csaba made a mistake and wrote wrong time to the table. Jokke, comments?


Edit: me and mr found old stats.txt where Jokke had 1:00,02 and zyntifox 1:00,04. So Jokke had 1:00,02 WR but no one seems to have his replay.
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Cheat:

25. Precarious (#067) - 24,84 by Nostrada [c0ol] (real time is 24,85)

Nostrada has always told that he had never used statedit cheat (except Steppes). He lied.
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