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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2017, 03:48 
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There are some drawbacks about having the meeting in Finland every year - the current accommodation has very few beds, is pretty small, far from civilization and has poor internet availability, Finland is pretty expensive alcohol/food/travel wise, etc.

Of all FEM attendants the international traveler percentage has increased last years too so changing the country has become more viable with or without universal support from Finnish guys.

I checked a few places in Latvia and a good option is actually 10km from where I live: http://viesunamiem.lv/en/ezergribiesi It would be closer and much cheaper to attend for central Europeans so we could indeed see some new faces attend but also not too far from Finland to go either by car or public transport not to make it inconvenient for the majority of the Finnish meetmans. In fact it's actually closer than mid-Finland for Helsinki folks. It's 100km from Riga with cheap public transport going to the location.

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- Is in a small village with small shops right there, about 10km from bigger town where I live
- 40 beds (big upgrade from what we're used to)
- €7/person/night (probably negotiable when book the whole place for a week)
- Spacious banquet hall with tables for mass elmaing for up to 80 people
- Fast internet
- Small sauna
- In a beautiful location next to a nice lake with swimming spots, boat rental, bike rental, football and volleyball fields

If there's significant support for this I'd be down to organize it next year and help people arrange their travels. This was also the first location that looked very suitable, could still look for an even better one.

Let me know what you think!

And please take part in the attendace poll: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1lQER7s ... sp=sharing
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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2017, 10:54 
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I am definitely interested!

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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2017, 13:07 
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space for 80 ppl elmaing sounds bit too ambitious (sadly) :D but yeah, i'd be up to join

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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2017, 13:13 
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Wish I had the money and time to come. Would love it, for sure!

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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2017, 17:55 
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Sounds like an elite place, I'm interested!


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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2017, 22:42 
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Seems it's fairly ez to get to Riga from most major european countries, a quick skyscanner search showed this for July this year:

- warsaw - from 70e
- prague - from 140e
- slovakia - none
- budapest - from 160e
- germany - <100e from berlin, bremen, dortmund, frankfurt and cologne
- london - from 85e, north england and scotland 100-120e
- oslo/bergen - from 50/70e, trondheim from 105e
- stockholm from 60e, gothenburg from 110e
- helsinki/tampere - from ~100e

I'm in general very strongly for the idea :) Would almost definitely come, and hopefully more central europeans could come too!

The place looks like an elma mansion tbh =D

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PostPosted: 1 May 2017, 13:03 
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Count me in. As much as I like the current FEM cabin and am looking forward to going there again this year, I would actually appreciate a change. Going to a new place, to a new country and possibly (hopefully) meeting new people sounds like a great idea.
Dunno how you can motivate Finnish guys with "one small sauna" though :)

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 00:14 
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Are you allowed to smoke indoors in all places in Latvia. Can I smoke during battle or do I need to go out. Indoor smoking would be a good upgrade from fem-cabin.

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 01:40 
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In reply to Ramone's comment: indoor smoking is much more about respect towards the people around you than the legislation of the country you're in. It never even crossed my mind that somebody may be smoking inside during FEM (unless in some separate room), and I would possibly not come if I knew I'd have to play in a gas mask.


In reply to comments regarding "replacing" FEM wiht teh IEM:
My initial thoughts were not about replacing it, but about moving it. The point is that for the last several years Finland has been the only place with a big enough local community to organise their own proper meeting, so people from all other european countries simply have to come over to Finland if they want to participate in anything at all. I see FEM as pretty much an International Elma Meeting already, called FEM since it still takes place in Finland. Why not simply move the biggest and possibly only meeting of the year to a different country? Not replace it with something else, but simply organise it elsewhere. I have serious concerns that if a separate finnish meeting took place around the same time, many finns would then not go to the "international" one (cuz too much effort osv). Need to hear some finns on this of course (other than the most devoted couple who would probably go anywhere anytime), but just wanted to make my idea clear =)

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 03:03 
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well, on last fem i smoked ecigar ocassionally in the main room, but only in the night hours when there was few ppl inside, every time blowing the fog in the opposite direction, where nobody was.
ecig smells actually good and it doesnt spread too much, i hope it didnt bother anyone, if it did plz feel free to point it out!

unlike ecig, the normal cigarretes would appear as little disturbing to me. yeah, i smoked ecig myself, but i tried to be as far from intrusive as possible (might be bit hypocrite here xd)

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 05:27 
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I would be very stoked for a meet in Latvia. That place looks perfect and prices are much better.

Some things to figure out:
  • Does LEM replace FEM, or will there be 2 meetings?
  • How many will go only to Latvia or only to Finland?
  • How many don't care where it is but only have time for one meeting?
  • How many will just go to both?

Should we hev a comprehensive survey about these preferences and spam it to everyone?

Probably some regular FEM mans would not go to Latvia, and probably some new faces would join LEM from other countries, but it seems really hard to estimate these without simply getting input from everyone.

About indoor smoking, some regular attendees hev asthma so I think it should be out of the question. Smoke is like 1000x worse for others nearby than vapor. I remember it didn't seem that way when I smoked but smoke smells really far and strong, and I cane nat imagine bearing indoor smoke with asthma. And it's already bad enough without asthma, just saying that could just force them to stay home.

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 07:03 
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Hi I'm bene.
I would go anywhere I guess but I like the current that is very well organized by nom who is available to answer questions from where to fly to should I be worried about bear chasing me. If we change pipol will less experience with place and my more worry.
I can understand why man's who attended all would like new place experience.
I would not go both if both existed in 2018 I would go where?? Probably FEM because less worry.

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 08:33 
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bene wrote:
I would go anywhere I guess but I like the current that is very well organized by nom who is available to answer questions from where to fly to should I be worried about bear chasing me.


In regards to this, I don't know how much help nom gets now from other fins, but my worry would be that 8-ball might end up being very alone in handling things with no other locals. Fewer people with cars who can pick people up or better help stick around when they don't have to catch a plane or something.

Anyway for me doesn't matter where it is, as long as transport isn't too much of a hassle. For this to be succesful would have to scrap FEM that year I think, otherwise just gonna cripple both the meetings and not gonna fill up that big place.

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 11:11 
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>>> ATTENDANCE POLL <<<

Please everyone answer teh so we can figure this out! Also share it around to everyone who might be interested in a meet. :)

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PostPosted: 2 May 2017, 12:04 
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Cool! I'm interested in to join this. FEM is working like a charm (thanks nom!) but to get new experience would be max. The place looks gorgeous. Maybe could even have a pub night then :P. I've got a car and could drive there if it's not going to break before that.

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Lousku wrote:
>>> ATTENDANCE POLL <<<

Please everyone answer teh so we can figure this out! Also share it around to everyone who might be interested in a meet. :)


how to see results? I must answer again?:/

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PostPosted: 4 May 2017, 14:07 
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PostPosted: 6 May 2017, 00:28 
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Wtf is Latvia

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PostPosted: 6 May 2017, 12:02 
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I wouldnt smoke indoors with non smokers ofc. Just checking ppls reactions. Im not very fine with ppl doing drugs in fem but there is no respect there. And ppl dont seem to mind that. I dont understand.

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PostPosted: 6 May 2017, 14:00 
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I've never been to FEM so I dunno what it's like, but I wouldn't mind ppl doing drugs as long as it doesn't affect me, but smoke does unfortunately :<

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afaik there was no "drugs" except one joint that i know of on fem16. there was more drugs in the previous years from what ive heard, but well... alcohol is one hell of "intrusive" drug and most of ppl use it and theres no big complain about it.
legal status doesnt make a substance better or worse.
as pawq said, its all good as long as it doesnt cause any trouble in terms of human interaction and alcohol is one of the drugs that can actually make a person top-troublesome and misbehaving if one has such predispositions. luckily all participants were (are) good-hearted and all the way far from making trouble :}

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PostPosted: 6 May 2017, 15:02 
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Ez just throw the misbehavers into the pond ;)

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PostPosted: 7 May 2017, 00:32 
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Drug responsibly. No smoking indoors (that includes cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, joints, blunts, spliffs, e-cigarettes, pipe, water pipe, bong and any other form of smoking I might have missed).

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PostPosted: 11 May 2017, 10:05 
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the 'doesn't matter' option about location won't register for me, because it thinks no option was chosen...


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PostPosted: 11 May 2017, 14:43 
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So the only way to mayke results public was giving access to editing the whole thing, so I posted teh editing link and someone broke it. At least seems liek they didn't delete responses.

It should work again now. I made editing private too.

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PostPosted: 11 May 2017, 15:08 
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Found photo evidence that there is a sauna.

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I am interested. Mats is interested too.

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PostPosted: 8 Oct 2017, 13:57 
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Im in.


Only thing is I need all you to pay me the airplane ticket/s. Ill edit post later with some bank account or something.
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PostPosted: 8 Oct 2017, 16:25 
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Already said it before but I'm very in!

As for Sla... Considering he's from the other fucking side of the world maybe the ones who appreciate his involvement in the scene could chip in lajk a few euro each if he was really interested in coming? I think I would :>

I know I know, set up a kickstarter Sla! =D

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I was in Riga (capital of Latvia) for one day w/ Mira before FEM 2016 and we had a blast there. I would love to attend IEM next year. I don't have a portable laptop atm, but I have plenty of time to do smth about it.

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Ill pay some 100 euroes for Sla if necessary.

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Wow thanks you Pollie. I was joking but damn maybe if i start saving money from now i really could be there. Life is hard btw but i can try if i finally stay in a normal job.

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I could send an old pair of shoes and a rusty bike if it helps.

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It definitely sounds better logistics-wise than Finland, and if I could find a cheap enough flight (and date), I'd love to come. By summer I should be having my car too, but orka drive 20 hours from Slovakia... But maybe if there was 4 of us in car, it could be done.

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