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I've been promising to write an Elma article for some years and finally I got something to publish. After 29 hours of work the "The Across Years" chapter was published in 2017-09-26. A whopping 109 hours more was needed to get "The Prelude of Elasto Mania" public. That happened in 2017-11-11. So 138 hours down and the saga is covered up to July 2001...

Before opening the link, please read the REQUESTS list! If you have any information or resources I need, please share. It will be really appreciated!

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(RESOLVED)1. I want to show replays directly in the article. How to do this? Skint wasn't aware of any plug'n'play solution. Recsource + iframe isn't a good solution. Converting to webm format could be good but how to do it? An independent JS replay player would be neat but is it easy to add? All the time I need to use here is off from the writing.

(RESOLVED)2. Has someone a screenshot of Across level editor? I can't run my Across :(. Some big interesting looking level would be best.

(RESOLVED)3. Is someone able to record a video of mod.com replays in Across and put it to Youtube? I have the replays.

(RESOLVED)4. Can someone download the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-UkhapGw44 video and send it to me? My video downloader scripts never work... I would like to add the video to the next Elma Ultimate DVD.

(RESOLVED)5. Name the players in the Piteå group picture.

6. Any important fact or event missing?

7. Grammar fixes and text improvements are welcome too.

8. Anyone has any material of MOTOMEN's Team Cup? It was the first cup after WCup.

9. Screenshots of the two first Mopolautas? This current one is third. Urls were http://www.saunalahti.fi/~ptahk007/cgi- ... tion=intro and http://pub65.ezboard.com/bmopolauta

10. Any exact numbers how much more powerful is supervolt compared to normal volt? I think I have seen some calculations...

(RESOLVED)11. Would be mega awesome if someone calculated nopoints.txt for WCup 3, 4 and 5. That would tell how many participated. In 1 and 2k we have those files.

12. I don't remember how did we catch mrDJ and Weird-AAL in the first place? Some of their cheated replays are obvious, yes, but were they public?

13. Would be cool to have WR stats of Across too. They would be incompleted but better than nothing.

14. Elma Crime is not in Youtube?

15. The first evidence of battles I found is mrDJ's KOM interview in 2001-05-01 but I'm pretty sure the battles started already in 2000. Do you know where to look at?

16. An example replay of bounces is needed. I think Moposchool bounces combined would be neat but I don't know how to combine several levels to one replay. I guess I can use Jaws WR replay too if the combining isn't possible.

17. mr: do you remember why you sent me Elma Forever CD?

18. Multi WRs or TTs not public at the moment?

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Let's keep it behind the password for a while and fix the most of the errors first. I'll advertise on Moponews later.

https://palsta.pulu.org/en/60-action-su ... asto-mania (Käyttäjä: "across", Salasana: "noohimennen")

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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2017, 14:03 
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amazing . I will read more properly and comment later

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Very nice! Very good writing. Nice to look back to Across times :)

Can't really find any mistakes except some small typos:
Uruguy -> Uruguay
definately -> definitely
defination -> definition
Alhough -> Although

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Very nice! Very good writing. Nice to look back to Across times :)

Can't really find any mistakes except some small typos:
Uruguy -> Uruguay
definately -> definitely
defination -> definition
Alhough -> Although

Fixed. Thank you! I'll need more of your help when I get to later years :).

Changed also the heading numbering: Introduction doesn't have number anymore but "1. The Across Years" is the first one.

I've been going through the Moponews and some other sources for the Elma era today. I think I'll divide it to three chapters: First year+ (2000 Feb - 2001 Jul), Golden Era (2001 Jul - 2006 Mar), The New Generation (2006 Mar -). This is max fun to make but takes so much time. "First year+" needs a better name.

The embedded replay player would be so important...!

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2000-2001: The early years
2002-2006: The golden era
2007-2014: Battles take over
2015-202x: The utopistic years

i am using this classification for a top secret documentary project, but i think it would fit to your story as well :)

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sam things:

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of about a few thousands players, the number of really active players being a few hundreds


mebe "few thousands/hundreds players" should be -> "few thousand/hundred"?

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both in Finland and abroad


As the fact that you are finnish isn't revealed earlier in the article, this expression seemed weird for someone not from finland. "both in Finland and abroad", where one side of "both" is a single country and the other is the whole world. Maybe just "in many countries" or some other solution if you wish to emphasize that you are from finland.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreword - mebe 'foreword' is not 100% correct header there

In the foreword section, two paragraphs start with "i Myself", which seemed a bit repetative.



Found some notes. Can look further later and send pm or sumthing if helpful, otherwise can go fuk myself aswell obv :)

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mebe "few thousands/hundreds players" should be -> "few thousand/hundred"?

Fixed.

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As the fact that you are finnish isn't revealed earlier in the article, this expression seemed weird for someone not from finland. "both in Finland and abroad", where one side of "both" is a single country and the other is the whole world. Maybe just "in many countries" or some other solution if you wish to emphasize that you are from finland.

Good one. Fixed.

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mebe 'foreword' is not 100% correct header there

This is a difficult one because now it contains quite random stuff. I don't know if there is any correct header for this kind of chapter? Correct way would be to divedi it to "Disclaimer", "Foreword" and "Conventions" but I don't want to have 2 new chapters for this. So I just picked some generic header. Maybe it will resolve when more information must be added there.

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In the foreword section, two paragraphs start with "i Myself", which seemed a bit repetative.

Good. Fixed.

Also got some notes from Tisk.

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I've added some more data:

* Video of mod.com replays
* Mention of DOSBox
* Across level editor screenshot
* Mention of Ronimox/MopoGirl because she was active by herself (I've been reading some old Mopolauta topics)
* Some team page links
* Tumex TT list 21-60 positions
* Link to Blake's Level Designing Tips

Also some of the captions weren't visible.

I have also started the Elma part. 16 hours of researching and 4 hours writing done. Will keep on now and tomorrow. Next chapter is titled: "Prelude of Elasto Mania (2000 Feb - 2001 Jul)"

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someone has these levels?

http://moposite.com/archives/web_pages/ ... evels.html

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No mention of bene as always

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I'm adding new material so the article is closed for some time now. Probably a few weeks.

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I just got Maxdamantus' replay player working with a few additions: show/close button and checkboxes to select which replays are shown. Still some refactoring left though, maybe 3 hours.

All the good replays I'm planning to display on the page, need to be added and write captions etc. Maybe 5-10 hours for this.

Also some sub-sections of the chapter are missing because I got so bored with writing the text: Stuff (+ LGRs), Levels and Replays. Again 5-10 hours I guess.

Then More links and overall improving 5 h.

So maybe about 20-30 hours needed to get the next chapter, Prelude of Elasto Mania, ready. The upcoming week looks promising but I'm pretty sure this can't be done in less than two weeks. I have used 45 hours in October and 58 hours in September. Let's beat this in November!

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The article is open again! Read the first post to know what I need help for.

All comments motivate me to keep on this damn hard and devastating job. 138 hours down and we have covered only 4-5 years out of 20. Not sure if I have energy to keep on now.

Across chapter got some changes too:

* Added diplomas of WCup1 and 2 - thank's Jokke and psy!
* Added a new paragraph to "1.2. World Records" to list some players
* Added price information to "1.1. Software versions" section
* Added a list of good Across levels in "1.13. Levels and replays" section
* Added a paragraph of Markku's joining to MC
* Larger images

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awesome Abula!

some mistake I found:

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Luckily there are only two internal levels...


Actually there is 3, you forgot Bowling :)


Do we know more about the story of Hooked and Downhill? Was it created by Csaba or some other guy? Because compared to the other levels in across Packs both of these were extraordinary...

Oh and the map of original HOOKED.LEV and DOWNHILL.LEV could be included in the article :)
http://elmaonline.net/statistics/level/99186 Hooked was different originally :)

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Actually there is 3, you forgot Bowling :)

Oh, yes!

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Hooked was different originally :)

Didn't remember that! Also Downhill doesn't have the ", Dylan" text anymore in Elma :)

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It means that Downhill was probably made by Csaba Rózsa (just remember his WCUP 6 level: http://elmaonline.net/statistics/level/241791)

Quote from README.txt - Across 1.0

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Interesting! Haven't read the article yet.

On 12.: I think Nostrada (and mrDJ) decided to reveal on #across that they cheated and then did so by telling about it and sharing the replays but I am not sure. Maybe if find #across logs from around march/april 2001 first and then someone looks into it.

Not that these details are not of much importance but my cheat was such that someone had just taken a WR on warm up, and then another guy whose nick I forgot (oizo or some nick that includes a sound or synonym for "bear" (animal)) had 0.01 worse time or same time as WR on it. I managed to get his rec either for free, or for some cheap trade. As the timer always doesn't end exactly at the right hundreth, I noticed that it could be treated as 0.01 faster than that current WR. I then sent it as WR to the next table with h0m0rider nick or such and waited what's going to happen. It got through and I enjoyed it for a while and then I guess I told that it was me and xiited.

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On 12.: I think Nostrada (and mrDJ) decided to reveal on #across that they cheated and then did so, but I am not sure. Maybe if find #across logs from around march/april 2001 first and then someone looks into it.

Not that these details are not of much importance but my cheat was such that someone had just taken a WR on warm up, and then another guy whose nick I forgot (oizo or some nick that includes a sound or synonym for "bear" (animal)) had 0.01 worse time or same time as WR on it. ...

Thanks! You could remember something about battles at least. StIkKyBeAr?

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From: acpack01.zip
Filename: LEV#01.DIZ

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downhill.lev Downhill Csaba Rozsa
Hungary
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hooked.lev Hooked Csaba Rozsa
Hungary
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Levels were stored on: 1998.03.20

STORKED! :)

EDIT: As I see, Across 1.2 was released in 1998.03.23, these levels were probably made for this version, but for some reason they were left out in the end.

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I went through like 90% of the article, and it's quite a lot of text about 1999-2001 ;) i can almost sense someone is being a bit nostalgic about old times ;)

I think it would be logical to divide post 2001 like this:
2001-2006 "golden era" as you described
2007-2009 belma era
2010-2015 eol era
2016- dead era

some main points, happeninks, events of each era:
2001-2006
- multiple active top internalists at all times, massive competition and tt drop
- centered camera
- alovolt button (you already mentioned it though)
- multiplayer online pt.1 (the 2006 EOL by milagros, it sparked discussions about belma which ended up revolutionizing elma)

2007-2009
- belma and online battles (I would really emphasize hard ff battles like teajay uphills in becoming a better player. Being better obviously helped finding harder styles in internals)
- uphilling
- spinning
- fps limiter and prebuffering (possibility to play with low fps on any machine without keypress delay was a massive thing and made it fair to everyone similar to alovolt patch)

2010-2015
- EOL aka improved belma
- official EOL level pack
- multiplayer online pt.2
- saveload (I would emphasize this for style finding, it made stylefinding more enjoyable, you wouldnt have to tediously create training levs).
- bug bounce TAS aka theoretical speedrun without arbitrary limits
- utilization of 30fps and wheelpops in internals (wu, ff, hangman)
- wcup 6

2016-
- stylefinding seems to finally have been saturated, saveload to be blamed (although personally I think there are still tons of styles unfound, it just seems like there's a longer recession going on than ever before, (did you guys quit because i quitted? ;) ))
- TAS chain wheelpop with switching fps between 999 and 30
- wcup 7

I hope this quick rough sketch will give you some extra motivation again, or something.

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I went through like 90% of the article, and it's quite a lot of text about 1999-2001 ;) i can almost sense someone is being a bit nostalgic about old times ;) ...

Yes, well, I guess that was my most enthusiastic period after all :). But also many concepts were iniated and largely evolved at that time! The text is long but I don't think there are too many irrelevant sections..or? Everybody probably thinks that the section X is not interesting if he didn't himself participate in that sector of the community. But for sure, that's even my intention, Moposite from the web development's point of view has some more focus than it should have "objectively".

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Zweq wrote:
- TAS chain wheelpop with switching fps between 999 and 30

Fairly certain this was invented in 2016 and not 2015?

Edit: Earliest time I have record of it done is 2016-08-10

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earliest chain pop i know of is from 16th dec 2011 18:40:37 EET
earliest 30-999 fps chain poping is most likely from the date you mentioned (and the one i meant in my sketch)

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i was gonna read teh with morning cofe but is https://i.imgur.com/bE7YVRt.png not there, sad
(i typed in across then the PW and it worked yesterday but now it's gone)

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Amazing, Abula! Very thorough article. Read about 50% of the new stuff. Have to read more carefully later :)

Some typos/grammar mistakes which I found:
Moposhool -> Moposchool
to not figure out -> not to figure out

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i was gonna read teh with morning cofe but is https://i.imgur.com/bE7YVRt.png not there, sad
(i typed in across then the PW and it worked yesterday but now it's gone)

Use the direct link in the first post. Then type the username and password and it should redirect you to the article. It's not visible in the lists because not finished.

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yeah I did didn't work earlier but now when I clicked I came straight to the article not having to write PW :O
very sick fun read btw reminds me of when Internal Memories came out and I was very much in to elma history

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Thanks! Max more rewarding and motivating to push this when you know that someone actually enjoys reading it :)

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I know it consumes more space but older and iconic images would be awesome to see. Only hard to decide which one do we call unique or iconic... :)

Would be megaawesone if this is finished to release in an ebook format with a well designed cover and also with some never-seen materials :)

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Moposhool -> Moposchool
to not figure out -> not to figure out

Thanks! Fixed these.

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Very interesting article and info that i didnt know of. Cant wait for the rest and see what u have to tell about present (and future?) of Elma.

To fix: "Uruguya" --> Uruguay

Thank for sharing and effort.

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