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the elma [heavyweight champion] title

Post by ribot » 12 Nov 2017, 19:42

Once the title is taken it is held for a while. After that some new challengers can battle each other one on one, and ultimately they can battle the title holder.

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Winner - the first ever Elma Title Holder is crowned
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FINAL
jblaze - Andry - Sunday February 11, 18:15 CET

Semi Final
Andry - Sveinr - jblaze - Sunday January 14, 20:00 CET

Quarter Finals These matches will be arranged as soon as possible when ribot can find a time for both players of each match. It's still not sure if everyone will play, so there might still be some substitutions.

Qualifying round - results
This round was for all players except the four written below! The four top players of this qualification battle proceeded to quarter finals.

Qualification battle starting Sunday December 10th, around 15:00 EET in eol
1. Zero [dat] 00:59,15
2. SveinR [TAAF] 01:07,27
3. Sick_Mambo [EMA] 01:08,66
4. AndrY_ [VODKA] 01:09,04
5. alvin [KFC] 01:10,05
6. Virus [CMR] 01:11,10

It's not clear if Sick_Mambo wants to play the tournament. Therefore Virus (because result above) and Ramone (because he wanted to play but announced he couldn't) might still join the tournament or play a 1 on 1 match.

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The highest ranked players below do not need to qualify. This ranking is purely based on wcup, eol ranking and internal wrs, as stated before. If you don't agree with the rankings, prove yourself and win the qualifying round. Also note that the qualifying round might be easier than a 1 on 1 round, since after this you have to win every game anyway to go further. In the qualifying round it's enough if you are in 4th place.
  • jblaze - 12th eol ranking - 1500 battle wins - 30+% wins - 11 win row
  • Zero - 2nd wcup07 - 1st eol ranking - 5000+ battle wins - 48+% win ratio - 32 win row
  • pawq - 8th wcup07
  • Blaztek - 1st eol ranking for 2017 - 7th eol ranking - 1900+ batlte wins (can't play Dec 17-28)
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  • jblaze - 12th eol ranking - 1500 battle wins - 30+% wins - 11 win row
  • SveinR - 15th wcup07
  • AndrY_ - 16th wcup07
  • Ramone - 21st eol ranking - 1000+ battle wins
  • Bludek - 1000+ battle wins - 26+% wins - 10 win row
  • Zero - 2nd wcup07 - 1st eol ranking - 5000+ battle wins - 48+% win ratio - 32 win row
  • iltsu - 2nd eol ranking for 2017 - 1075 battle wins - 8 win row
  • pawq - 8th wcup07
  • Blaztek - 1st eol ranking for 2017 - 7th eol ranking - 1900+ batlte wins (can't play Dec 17-28)
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by danitah » 13 Nov 2017, 05:17

Sounds good. Requirements are good but maybe also some kind of qualification round so that anyone has a chance to get in?

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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by Zweq » 13 Nov 2017, 07:35

ribot wrote: top 20 of elma online ranking - http://elmaonline.net/ranking
I think that filters quite many elite players out, because they don't much.
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by danitah » 13 Nov 2017, 13:45

Zweq wrote:
ribot wrote: top 20 of elma online ranking - http://elmaonline.net/ranking
I think that filters quite many elite players out, because they don't much.
Could have like >250 Battle Wins >25% Win Ratio

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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by ribot » 13 Nov 2017, 14:44

Yeah maybe it's better if the rankings/wcup results/wrs are used for seeding only, so that top pros don't need to qualify, if there is an uneven amount of players. I will edit.

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Post by AndrY » 13 Nov 2017, 16:55

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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by pawq » 13 Nov 2017, 17:56

You were 16th in wcup, sorry! Maybe next time ;D

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Post by Labs » 13 Nov 2017, 18:10

Higher rankings in the below means less qualification
I think he can join, but with more qualification rounds.
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by AndrY » 13 Nov 2017, 18:29

pawq wrote:You were 16th in wcup, sorry! Maybe next time ;D
don't see nothing about top15 in ribot`s post. where?:D
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by milagros » 13 Nov 2017, 18:44

what about cruiserweight(light heavyweight), middleweight, lightweight, featherweight, bantamweight, flyweight, atomweight(pinweight) ?
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by pawq » 13 Nov 2017, 22:31

AndrY wrote:
pawq wrote:You were 16th in wcup, sorry! Maybe next time ;D
don't see nothing about top15 in ribot`s post. where?:D
Oh, his original post said top15, he must've edited it. Sorry :D

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Post by SveinR » 16 Nov 2017, 15:24

I'm looking forward to battle jblaze to finally determine who of us two is the ultimate elma heavyweight champion.
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by Ramone » 17 Nov 2017, 12:01

Im down. I dont care if Im qualified, Ill qualify against anyone. Sounds awrsome but why call it heavy weight?
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Post by Hosp » 17 Nov 2017, 13:58

need to be of heavy weight for pro in elma due to all the s(h)itting
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by ribot » 29 Nov 2017, 21:53

ok so we have almost enough players for quarter finals... so two more players and we start? what do you guys think about that?

please tell your input about how you want this to happen, so that you won't complain later... what's a good level? and so on... we will use the eol battle system, ie normal battles... and maybe without seeing times? it would be nice to be able to spy, but maybe more champion if win without spy another
milagros wrote:what about cruiserweight(light heavyweight), middleweight, lightweight, featherweight, bantamweight, flyweight, atomweight(pinweight) ?
sure, we'll do that when you make some updates to eol :>
Ramone wrote:Im down. I dont care if Im qualified, Ill qualify against anyone. Sounds awrsome but why call it heavy weight?
originally i thought of it as a boxing title, and heavyweight is usually the most interesting title since it's between the strongest... but a title can be pretty much anything, like 10-dan, God of Elma, or something like that... well - any better title names?

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Post by iltsu » 30 Nov 2017, 05:01

I can join if not hidden times balles.

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Post by ribot » 1 Dec 2017, 13:43

oke, nice iltsu!

so this will start sunday 10th of december, somewhere around 15:00 EET

Who will start? Edit: as there are now more than 8 players, there will be qualification on first day.

Also, if anyone wants to make levels, please inform me.
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Post by pawq » 1 Dec 2017, 14:09

I'll happily join as well, if only to get rekt :)

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Post by ribot » 4 Dec 2017, 14:23

ok so qualification is on sunday, check top post

The highest ranked will not have to qualify. Anyone can play on Sunday and qualify, even if they are not yet registered. However, regardless of their ranking they will have to qualify, since it's now too late to qualify automatically for any new players.

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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by ribot » 10 Dec 2017, 15:16

here is the results for the qualifying round:
http://elmaonline.net/battles/126609

Results
1. Zero [dat] 00:59,15
2. SveinR [TAAF] 01:07,27
3. Sick_Mambo [EMA] 01:08,66
4. AndrY_ [VODKA] 01:09,04
5. alvin [KFC] 01:10,05
6. Virus [CMR] 01:11,10

Most of the players who wanted to join the tournament didn't show up, which creates a difficult situation. It was said however that the top 4 of the qualifying round will qualify. Zero won the battle, but was already qualified. That makes the qualified players Sveinr, Sick_Mambo, AndrY_ and alvin.

However, I didn't get a reply from Sick_Mambo if he wants to play the tournament. Virus on the other hand seems to be interested, and Ramone too (he was the only one who announced before that he wouldn't make it to the qualifying round). So if Sick_Mambo or anyone else doesn't want to play, Virus and Ramone can have the chance to qualify.

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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by a l v i n » 10 Dec 2017, 15:28

I would like to play on the next lev too.. do you need my reply ??? :O btw tomorrow can we start it aft 16:00 clock (gmt+1)

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Post by ribot » 10 Dec 2017, 15:34

Yes, good that you answered alvin. In the next game you will meet one of the other qualifiers. As soon as I can I will arrange the playing order, and then try to contact the players to decide on match times.

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Post by a l v i n » 10 Dec 2017, 15:42

thanks your answer! okay Im waiting! : )

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Post by a l v i n » 13 Dec 2017, 15:29

any news ? :roll:

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Post by ribot » 13 Dec 2017, 21:41

well you can check top post for the quarter finals.. i can't say about the dates because i will have to arrange one game at a time... well if you can find a time with your opponent it's easier to make it happen faster

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Post by ribot » 14 Dec 2017, 22:02

wow!

The first quarter final (#4) just finished. Blaztek v AndrY. A tough battle, both taking the lead a few times. AndrY said before that Blaztek will win, but then... big surprise...

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Post by jblaze » 15 Dec 2017, 15:36

me and sick bambo should be reachable this weekend during the day/evening, i informed him that there is a 1v1 set already for sunday. we will try to be there at the time.
and heres the question (just in case somebody won't have time outside 20:00 CET): can we play the same battle with pawq-sveinr, just being cunted separately ofc?
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Post by ribot » 15 Dec 2017, 18:47

hey jblaze!
so you want to play the same lev? sure, why not :)

(some things may become a bit weird, but it's a possibility)

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Post by ribot » 17 Dec 2017, 21:45

oke!

second quarter final has ended...

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Post by ribot » 17 Dec 2017, 21:51

ok so some feedback from myself about this cup:
- i have nabbed a lot, and the idea of prequalification was quite bad
- also bad idea of me to only have one qualification round
- hard to make cup when ppl aren't reachable... maybe can find better system to reach ppl
- ppl complain a lot with bad attitudes.. it doesn't make cup better but keeps focus on drama... i did try to keep discussion here but i gues ppl just prefer drama

anyway, next round of cup will be a lot better

So for the news, zero apparently said "he probably won't play", which is exceptionally bad, since the further into the cup the more important it is that ppl will actually come play. And since Ramone wasn't able to qualify, and he announced it before (and after he reminded me a hundred times too), it's fair if he gets a chance to play. Therefore that quarter final will be between three people, with one winner.

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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by Zero » 18 Dec 2017, 07:12

No interest in elma at the moment. You can drop me out.

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Post by Zweq » 18 Dec 2017, 07:46

Ppl have lives, they might not be reachable.

Some ppl live on the other side of the globe.

Also it's very annoying for me at least to schedule free time. Primary reason I quitted mmo's is that I have to be in certain place at certain time.

To make these kind of "cups" work, I think people would have to be able to play whenever they have time. To achieve that, thinking out of the box is needed and revamping of the systems we currently have.

Some system I thought of: For example if 2 players play a knockout battle in a .lev, there should be 2 download links, separate for each player. Once the link is consumed, timer starts ticking and you have only x amount of minutes to play. For example if time to play is 30 mins and player A downloaded the lev at 17th dec 2017 20:00, then only times between 20:00-20:30 are counted. You can use something like EOL API for that. Lev would have to be played locked.
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Post by ribot » 18 Dec 2017, 20:09

Thanks for your feedback Zweq.

By reachable I mean a way to contact ppl, like email or message. I think it's a better reminder than to just announce stuff here at lauta. Then if ppl don't have time it's fine, but if ppl announce their interest at least they should be contactable.

The solution now is to contact both player of a match and decide for a time to play. It has worked fine for the ppl that were reachable.

I have been thinking similar to your idea too. Maybe there are some features in the api that I'm not aware of, but using battles have these advantages:
- replay is saved easily and also automatically upped on recsource
- can be spied so less chance of cheating (according to my nab understanding)
- it's nice vibes when two ppl are doing their best, and there can be commentatoring

Except that it would be a lot of more work, I'm not sure if play on demand is technically possible:
- there is no straight forwards way (i think) to upload levs through the api or programatically to the database - which means the level id will be kept unknown (this could maybe be done with the help of domi or smibu, using eol through a server software instead of a windows desktop one - which i tried but got no response - and still might not be enough for getting the lev id)
- levs and recs have to manually be uploaded and downloaded both as files and to recsource, which is kind of like going back to pre-belma, which probably means ppl won't bother and complain a lot instead
- it would be easier to cheat, and take more effort to verify the recs and times
- by using locked levs, with different file names and lev titles (so they won't be searchable, and therefore the best times not known by the later player) - is it then possible to search for times that have been made between 20:00 - 20:30 a certain date? and even if it is, how to be sure about the level id for the lev which has the times? (actually for an old system i could hack this, by using the lev search system, but such workaround was not even worth programming because kopaka changed this later to break it, although i asked him not to)
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Re: the elma heavyweight champion title

Post by a l v i n » 18 Dec 2017, 20:12

I Sry to hear this sry! but ofc no problem :) have a good time! :)

Ramone Today im busy... sry for that.. we can play tomorrow night!

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Post by ribot » 5 Jan 2018, 17:39

Ok so there was quite some drama here. Alvin set a time with Ramone which he then had to cancel, so Ramone got upset and yelled the sh*t out of him. Alvin then agreed to lose by default.

Sick Mambo has been hard to reach for all this time now, and to me he has not shown any interest to play. For this reason jblaze would also win by default.

This creates another problem, that the other qualified players have actually not only qualified but also beaten their respective prequalified opponent. In other words, this is what shows that being prequalified was not a good idea, but also that AndrY and SveinR have been doing an awesome tournament... whereas Ramone and jblaze have not yet even played.

For these reasons Ramone will play jblaze and it is happening tonight, a bit more than 2 hours after this post was written.

This also means there will be only three ppl left after the quarter finals. However, in the vs battles there is no logistical problem to play more than two in a battle. For that reason there will be one semi final with SveinR, AndrY and Ramone OR jblaze, where one of them will be eliminated.

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Post by ribot » 10 Jan 2018, 22:02

To make this an even bigger drama, Ramone was apparently not able to join his battle. It's very unfortunate, but since alvin was unconditionally taken out of the cup I find it unfair to let Ramone get another chance. This all is also partly because I can't put too much time trying to find battles for the participants. Hopefully this will improve later.

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Post by ribot » 14 Jan 2018, 21:12

Very cool semi final! jblaze took a long time before first finish, and then did a !rec 10 according to Bjenn. Level was very appreciated, and even made me feel to want to make good battle levs.

SveinR and AndrY fought hard, taking lead over one another many times during the battle...

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Post by AndrY » 14 Jan 2018, 21:20

ribot wrote:
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Up next - FINAL
Coming soon...

Semi Final
Andry - Sveinr - jblaze - Sunday January 14, 20:00 CET
stop

this was only semi final? :O or first post is too old?

I thought jblaze win already, :/
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Post by ribot » 14 Jan 2018, 21:21

it was semi final!

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Re: the elma [heavyweight champion] title

Post by ribot » 11 Feb 2018, 22:20

So the final was held today, almost a month after the semi final.

Andry played well throughout the tournament, showing himself capable of repeatedly taking the lead over even opponents.

Today however jblaze shone through with his grace and excellence. A solid win for jblaze, just like in the semi final, with slick moves and an enjoyable spy.

Also note that the title holder is not only a skilled elma player, but an honourable elma player. It's a player who can hold onto his word enough to actually come play the battle, and it is not as easy as one might think. Just look at many other alleged pros circumstantially getting beaten out of the tournament.

Clearly the gods of elma have spoken: jblaze is the chosen title holder. This conversation, during battle, should illustrate the point of honour, between two renowned battlers who both played the battle well, and yet the title holder being clear (since ILKKA didn't even qualify):


<EOL_bot> (jBLAZE): heaven for those who stop negative attitude :>
<EOL_bot> (ILKKA): oh what are u gonna report me for negative attitude like on LoL
<EOL_bot> (jBLAZE): just saying that positive approach can fix anything. not only her
<EOL_bot> (jBLAZE): e but in life man
<EOL_bot> (jBLAZE): and you start liking things

So big congratulations to the worthy, only, and first ever title holder of elma. May the gods be with you jblaze!

ps. jblaze has deserved new mopolauta state: viewtopic.php?p=259984#p259984

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