BELMA - Battle Elasto Mania

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 10 Jun 2009, 12:48

You do know that internals can be played without having a battle on in them? It's just useless to battle them, because nobody cares about the results

Ecchi · Post by **Ecchi** » 10 Jun 2009, 14:18

Its a way for people to have a "reason" to improve their times.. externals can be played without battles aswell, and I don't see why people would care about the results for them either.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 10 Jun 2009, 16:05

I don't see what that reason would be. Externals can and SHOULD be played outside battles. Battle levs don't fit into external category and they're even further from internals. Winning a battle in an unplayed lev is always nice since nobody has the advantage, which is not the case in internal lev battles.

Your tard-o-meter is rising quickly for a new member, be wary.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 10 Jun 2009, 17:05

just to cover orcc, so the discussion doesn't have to go any further: battle is about a fresh lev where everybody is on the same line. So looking at the definition of a battle, an internal battle wouldn't be a real battle, more like a touch check

Ali · Post by **Ali** » 10 Jun 2009, 18:22

Kopaka wrote:20-30-40 mins normal battles are so much more fun than those quick 10 mins ones.

assuming:
a) you were there when bale started
b) you have enough time and concentration to sit through teh
c) lev is great

otherwise it just makes me quit belma and do something that's not just unproductive killing time..

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 12 Jun 2009, 14:11

you're talking crazy now..

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 12 Jun 2009, 17:40

minimum battle time should be 30min, always hidden times and players, then we're talking. obviously need less levels than nowadays then

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 13 Jun 2009, 03:04

shategak

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:11

personally i dont want even most of balles to be >20mins, because simply i wouldnt find time and patience to play them all. although its nice to play a looong lev, for example from Ramone, because there is just time to hoyl teh pretty much. anyway i think that there should stay some short, quick, hoylas, to just entertain ppl and help to rest.

Post by **SveinR** » 14 Jun 2009, 01:26

This isn't a problem.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 14 Jun 2009, 06:35

oh now sveinr has adopted smaxa quality in his posting, well thanks alot. I came here kuk in hand ready to runka at your comment, THANKS ALOT

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 14 Jun 2009, 08:02

nao make me admin.

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 12 Jul 2009, 16:37

Is the server down right now?

Edit: seems it isn't, sorry.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 5 Oct 2009, 18:54

Finally I managed to patch vsync off ingame, at least somehow: the screen flickers annoyingly in full screen mode, but works fine through d3dwindower. Try it if you want. Make sure resolution in belmaConf and window size in d3dwindower are the same. Got rid of kb delay at least... but I don't like windowed mode that much (lower fps, ...).

http://up.k10x.net/ppakpsqwkwjna/belma.exe

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 5 Oct 2009, 22:30

THIS IS A VIRUS, DO NOT DOWNLOAD!!!

EDIT: jk

btw, dunno why but cant slide as before with that and animal fram has typo

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 6 Oct 2009, 05:37

smibu, i already got a patched exe from kazan some weeks ago. it plays with vsync off 100% fine at full screen. maybe ask him where he got it from..

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 6 Oct 2009, 08:46

Ok I tried that exe too and it has the same flickering (on Vista) as in my patch :/ so I guess it's not up to belma's code, but windows/drivers... dunno

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 6 Oct 2009, 09:12

So Kazan's been cheating, reason is playing with unofficial patch or what? :d

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 6 Oct 2009, 11:12

no need to cheat with those skills

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 6 Oct 2009, 16:43

smibu's exe seems to work fine for me, no flickering ect. in xp, but ofcourse in xp I don't need it (:

I see you did some other things too, quick return to menu on death, apples count

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 6 Oct 2009, 17:08

lal smibu, you suck... in being sucky lol! awesome! feels almost like eol

second mila growing up!

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 6 Oct 2009, 17:11

i believed in maxdamantus but less active than mila :/
he sure has the skills to continue mila's job imo
and that snaddles, who got banned or something, was good too

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 6 Oct 2009, 21:08

Ya Snadle disappeared quite quickly.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 13 Oct 2009, 14:01

THE FLICKERING IS GONE IN FULLSCREEN MODE TOO!!!

Device manager ---> Display driver ---> Ati Radeon 3100 Graphics ---> Update driver ---> No new drivers found

Then, desperately...

PC ---> Scan for hardware changes ---> Device list refreshed. It didn't seem to do anything, but...

Then I tried again: Ati Radeon 3100 Graphics ---> Update driver ---> New driver found ---> Installed

Then... opened belma... selected islands in the sky... and to my HUGE surprise, there was no flickering anymore!!!

In Microsoft forums, I was advised _not_ to use device manager for updating drivers. It seems I'm not going to ask for help from there anymore...

I wanted vsync off... and I got it off. Wasn't easier than this. Now I will not update my display driver in any case :)

Juish · Post by **Juish** » 15 Oct 2009, 03:18

ya i have the flickering going on as well with smibu version and i checked my drivers and everything up to date. still cant find any vsync setting anywhere :/ just got vista computer and can tell elma sucks now compared to old computer. hopefully once i get windows 7 flickering will leave.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 20 Oct 2009, 21:45

Ok, I did one last patch... it's annoying when you can't always see the whole level (that was made with ALE) in editor. I modified one zoom constant and it should display all levs fine now. Minimum zoom was 1.00, now it's 0.34.

Be careful when you make levs with this because checking topology will not tell if the lev is too big, so Elma can crash if you test that kind of lev (but it will always be saved before playing, so it's not that serious). Remember to reconfigure.

http://up.k10x.net/ukaerrfqcxxwl/belma.exe

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 20 Oct 2009, 22:08

You are awesome.

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 20 Oct 2009, 22:45

ill download if you fix the crash part, i need to know whats the max size in editor

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 20 Oct 2009, 22:50

I think you see that on the top right corner .. something like.. "Zoom 12x".. so maybe just put on 1x? no idea if this would work though

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 21 Oct 2009, 12:06

Fixed that part now - it'll say now if the lev's width/height is too big, and in that case, Elma won't let you play the lev. ---> http://up.k10x.net/komvuswtgafnm/belma.exe

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 21 Oct 2009, 12:20

Level Height is too big. .. it keeps saying that

Bjenn · Post by **Bjenn** » 26 Oct 2009, 00:02

I tried donga the latest belma.exe smibu posted cause i want to be able to make levs in the internal levmaker, now everytime i go in there the game crashes, but now i can't even start the game, it just flicks a gray screen in 0.01 sec and nothing more ;(

Edit: it was just the resolution that had changed, i forgot those settings was saved in belma.exe, sick how fast i can press play again after I finished a ride or pressed esc now ;o

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 29 Oct 2009, 02:27

Happens when I open the belma Smibu made.
This is the start of Uphill Battle - Internal 5.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 29 Oct 2009, 02:32

Thank you for including such a big picture in your post. I don't think any of us would have understood a couple of sentences explaining your problem, or a smaller picture for that matter. Thank you for helping us understand.

Kazeta · Post by **Kazeta** » 30 Oct 2009, 00:00

hes 12, whats your problem?

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 30 Oct 2009, 07:02

Oh please, mister You have a 4-line sig..

Unless you were being sarcastic..?

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 30 Oct 2009, 10:11

I probably wouldn't have understood that with a couple of sentences since I've never seen belma screen like that. Also in this new phpBB version the whole topic doesn't even get fucked from one too wide picture, how great is that!

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 30 Oct 2009, 14:52

Jappe wrote:having more than 3 lines sig is against the rules, posting a picture clarifying your problem is not

Actually it is (:

rules wrote:Not allowed:
- Big pictures in signature (also very big ones in the posts)

Post by **SveinR** » 30 Oct 2009, 17:29

Jappe wrote:its funny how "recent" long bans have been mostly for off-lauta actions, like berh and bartek, but everyone can actually break the actual rules of lauta

BarTek hasn't actually been banned as such.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 1 Nov 2009, 22:18

I used to be complaining about signatures and their lengths too, but I managed to get rid of them altogether, which is what I'd recommend to everyone.

And true, the big image only fucked up that single post in my browser; very good improvement.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 1 Nov 2009, 22:22

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 1 Nov 2009, 22:36

You can also disable avatars igge. By the way, this looks like this in my browser:
http://up.k10x.net/rlnfozjaszkmb/operascreen.png

Only your post goes out of line, and I can still scroll perfectly up and down the page without losing sight on the texts.

Oh and secondly, empty space is less distraction to your eyes than colourful signatures.\

edit: I hope you realise your posts extends a full page to the right? This new posts again is properly sized for me.

DaFred · Post by **DaFred** » 10 Nov 2009, 17:50

Are the new battlemodes already spoiled?

DaFred · Post by **DaFred** » 11 Nov 2009, 00:41

ah cool, thx. Yes I meant revealed :)
Really nice types, but I don't see situations/levs where 'Last Counts' is usefull!?

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 11 Nov 2009, 01:05

i guess the point here is regular hoyling. when a guy gets one totally lucky run, then fails for another 100 times and gets another even faster lucky run and fails for another 100 times - his balle result will be fail. if someone fails for 100 times, and then begins to finish, regularly, driving better and better times as the time flows - his result will be the last (best) time. only my free guess

edit: one question to any guy who knows solution

Apple - The first player to pick all apples wins, but you don't have to pick all apples in same run.

i think it would be mostly hard to remember which apples have you already taken, will that apples be permanently (till the end of the battle) deleted from the level? or is a fantastic memory needed :s

DaFred · Post by **DaFred** » 11 Nov 2009, 15:51

Mh ok, but you ez could stop after the first or second luck finish. And then you have nothing to do but also can't spy cause you had to go in lev again.. :S
To yours.. I'm quite sure apples won't disappear but I thought that mode is for that kind of lev like "find/reach all secret areas" and there it's not too hard to remember the apples...

Post by **SveinR** » 11 Nov 2009, 16:24

DaFred wrote:Mh ok, but you ez could stop after the first or second luck finish. And then you have nothing to do but also can't spy cause you had to go in lev again.. :S

In EOL you don't have to be in the level yourself to spy.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 11 Nov 2009, 16:34

Cool SveinR

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 11 Nov 2009, 18:15

Just few words..
One-life, First Finish, Slowness, Survivor, Last Counts, Flag Tag, Apple, Speed, Finish Count, ARE SO FUCKING USELESS THINGS !

"Slowness, Survivor" useless shits, elma is about making best times, not worst ones imo.
"Last Counts" must be really some hilarious joke, or wtf ? I'm not gonna stop playing level after 1 random good time.
"Flag Tag" will be really awesome if 100 ppl online :/
"Apple" pointless kind of pipes. o/
"Speed" there will be a tachometer ? What's the use of doing the top speed ?
"Finish Count" the next ruining of levs, short hoyla levels are nice, but playing just for the most number of finishes ? Isn't it stupid ? Ppl don't have to find any styles, just drive an average one, and play like a loony ?

No offence

All

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 11 Nov 2009, 18:53

I think there will be some limitation to which kind of battles you are able to start. So hopefully those people who are able to start them weird battles will do some good levels and not just spam random shit.