Balle elma server bug reports

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 26 May 2007, 14:04

no it isn't

skint0r · Post by **skint0r** » 26 May 2007, 14:14

Yes of course it isn't a tie. If someone makes the time 1 minute after the battle has started, and the other person spends 30 minutes getting the same time, they should not be tied.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 26 May 2007, 14:38

it's not tie, it was Karlis who had wu wr 14.05, not infected, otork or jeppe who got it twice

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 26 May 2007, 14:38

btw 0 apples IS tie, not sure about x apples where someone escaped first:)

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 26 May 2007, 16:32

It's a tie. If a footballmatch ends with 1-1 it's a tie, even if one team had 100 more goalchances than the other.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 26 May 2007, 16:39

zworqy wrote:It's a tie. If a footballmatch ends with 1-1 it's a tie, even if one team had 100 more goalchances than the other.

there's a difference

veezay · Post by **veezay** » 27 May 2007, 04:37

suggestion that's closely related to teh matter above:

convert this:

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[13:30:15] <balleserver> *************** Battle in Japbt983.lev by Jappe2 over ***************
[13:30:15] <balleserver>  1. Munkki 30:74
[13:30:16] <balleserver>  2. Yzerman 32:01
[13:30:16] <balleserver>  3. gimp 4 apples
[13:30:17] <balleserver>  4. jake 4 apples
[13:30:19] <balleserver>  5. costya 4 apples
[13:30:21] <balleserver>  6. terb0 4 apples
[13:30:23] <balleserver>  7. HeHe 4 apples
[13:30:25] <balleserver>  8. jarek 4 apples
[13:30:27] <balleserver>  9. Zox 4 apples
[13:30:29] <balleserver> 10. Jappe2 0 apples
[13:30:31] <balleserver> 11. DaFred 0 apples
[13:30:33] <balleserver> *************** End of results ***************

into this:

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[13:30:15] <balleserver> *************** Battle in Japbt983.lev by Jappe2 over ***************
[13:30:15] <balleserver>     1. Munkki 30:74
[13:30:16] <balleserver>     2. Yzerman 32:01
[13:30:16] <balleserver>   3-9. gimp, jake, costya, terb0, HeHe, jarek, Zox 4 apples
[13:30:17] <balleserver> 10-11. Jappe2, DaFred 0 apples
[13:30:17] <balleserver> *************** End of results ***************

10x.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 27 May 2007, 08:42

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[13:30:15] <balleserver> *************** Battle in Japbt983.lev by Jappe2 over ***************
[13:30:15] <balleserver>  1. Munkki 30:74
[13:30:16] <balleserver>  2. Yzerman 32:01
[13:30:16] <balleserver>  3. gimp 4 apples
[13:30:17] <balleserver>      jake 4 apples
[13:30:19] <balleserver>      costya 4 apples
[13:30:21] <balleserver>      terb0 4 apples
[13:30:23] <balleserver>      HeHe 4 apples
[13:30:25] <balleserver>      jarek 4 apples
[13:30:27] <balleserver>      Zox 4 apples
[13:30:29] <balleserver> 10. Jappe2 0 apples
[13:30:31] <balleserver>      DaFred 0 apples
[13:30:33] <balleserver> *************** End of results ***************

this looks better ihmo

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 27 May 2007, 11:41

fixed teh one-life replay saving bug - it didnt rewrite the file if you restarted level before countdown ended.
there is one more problem with rec saving where rec can get lost - if you get decent time, rec is saved, then you reconnect and it has forgotten if you played teh before and starts to rewrite old best time with even worse ones.. i'll try to fix teh now
edit : fixed teh but it wont work if you restart elma - old rec will be lost when you drive new one
edit : all these changes in next version of course

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 27 May 2007, 17:42

zworqy wrote:It's a tie. If a footballmatch ends with 1-1 it's a tie, even if one team had 100 more goalchances than the other.

at least one who got my point

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 27 May 2007, 19:02

elma is not a football match. if you got same time as some wr you wouldn't be 'tied' and get on table

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 27 May 2007, 19:32

if one team scores a goal in 40th minute and other in 60th minute it's still a tie

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 27 May 2007, 20:03

8-ball wrote:elma is not a football match.

dz · Post by dz » 27 May 2007, 20:39

CuLiNo wrote:if one team scores a goal in 40th minute and other in 60th minute it's still a tie

Come on it's the same rules than it's always been, the one who gets the time first is the leader. Or do you think Zweq should share the Warm Up WR on the World Records table if Karlis drove 14,00 too? It's always been like that! Why should we change the rules?

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 27 May 2007, 21:29

8-ball wrote:elma is not a football match. if you got same time as some wr you wouldn't be 'tied' and get on table

Because ties can only happen within a match/battle/competition. A WR list isn't a competition, it's "just" a list of the best results ever.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 27 May 2007, 22:58

had a discussion with jappe in belma chat. he suggested that old battles should be allowed, but they just shouldn't count to stats. i think that's a kinda good idea, cause when it's after midnight and only 4 or 5 fucks are around, i don't really care if the level is brand new or 20 years old and carved on tress by Xhomaz...

veezay · Post by **veezay** » 27 May 2007, 23:42

Lukazz wrote:

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[13:30:15] <balleserver> *************** Battle in Japbt983.lev by Jappe2 over ***************
[13:30:15] <balleserver>  1. Munkki 30:74
[13:30:16] <balleserver>  2. Yzerman 32:01
[13:30:16] <balleserver>  3. gimp 4 apples
[13:30:17] <balleserver>      jake 4 apples
[13:30:19] <balleserver>      costya 4 apples
[13:30:21] <balleserver>      terb0 4 apples
[13:30:23] <balleserver>      HeHe 4 apples
[13:30:25] <balleserver>      jarek 4 apples
[13:30:27] <balleserver>      Zox 4 apples
[13:30:29] <balleserver> 10. Jappe2 0 apples
[13:30:31] <balleserver>      DaFred 0 apples
[13:30:33] <balleserver> *************** End of results ***************

this looks better ihmo

the point is nat about looking good, but saving lines. besides, that would mean all who got 4 apples would be 3rd, which they are NAT. that's why my suggestion was 3-9. and nat just 3. i agree with dz and all the others who cane think teh right way and obey the mighty rules that balazs once set in his great wisdom \o/

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 28 May 2007, 10:54

strange thing man... i installed everything new, and now it works!

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 28 May 2007, 11:32

i dont see any point in saving lines
excess flood is kinda solved already - pasting only one line per half sec

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 29 May 2007, 10:30

found simple way how to push it to crash in the middle of the turn.. now ez debug where exactly does it crash
its one of the last thing on client side i wanted to do so then ez next version

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 29 May 2007, 19:34

i think i give it up, it's so strange, it works now sometimes and sometimes not, tried to start a battle 5 times today, it worked 2 times and 3 times not... dunno when it works or when not, settings are always same

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 30 May 2007, 17:18

dammit, why does it say "failed to download battle level" every time now

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 30 May 2007, 17:19

already fixed

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 30 May 2007, 18:00

milagros wrote:already fixed

ok, publish ASAP then

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 30 May 2007, 23:21

things i wanted to change for next version that are not done (except things already done)

1. possibility to stop/abort balle, if stopped, results will count
2. setupable udp port different for everybody if wanted
3. check that timer - countdown time and adjustments - DONE
4. write position in balle (leader zweq 10:20, pos 2/10)
5. maybe add hide others times to balle setup
6. others hidden as default, others times shown as default - DONE

changes for some version one day
1. ftp to nonblocking http
2. private chat ingame - no idea how to do it user friendly so you dont have to type /msg zweq every time
3. normal multiplaying

i dont remember anything else with what i agreed

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 31 May 2007, 06:34

So what's realistic timeframe for next release?

dz · Post by dz » 31 May 2007, 11:54

zworqy wrote:So what's realistic timeframe for next release?

No need to hurry, let him finish the release!

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 31 May 2007, 12:55

zworqy wrote:So what's realistic timeframe for next release?

over the weekend

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 31 May 2007, 21:44

checked all stuff with timer, fixed everything
that second in first finish balle is there because if you finish (or die), elma is 'frozen' for one sec with player in the flower

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 2 Jun 2007, 17:24

list of possible changes (in order how they might be done)

1. remove possibility to start qwquu levs
2. 'hide times' checkbox for startballe
3. position in balle in status text
4. ftp to nonblocking http
5. private chat ingame - no idea how to do it user friendly so you dont have to type /msg zweq every time
6. normal multiplaying (also for more than 2 players)

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 2 Jun 2007, 19:10

multiplaying for more than 2 players? ;o~

wjelo · Post by **wjelo** » 2 Jun 2007, 19:59

milagros wrote:5. normal multiplaying (also for more than 2 players)

this will fucking rock, lookin forward to teh max

Kale · Post by **Kale** » 2 Jun 2007, 20:03

Sounds cool enough, tought that it would never be made.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 2 Jun 2007, 20:25

Thought it wouldn't be possible, due to ping. awkward.

niN · Post by **niN** » 2 Jun 2007, 20:30

It would be awesome with "Multi playing battles" where all who play get sorted into pairs of two and your pairmate and you should get the best time together

dz · Post by dz » 4 Jun 2007, 20:42

Belma crashed for some people, for some people it didn't. It didn't give any internal error, just crashed. Also no error message was produced in elma directory.

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22:36:48 <balleserver> ****** Battle in ks0007.lev (others hidden) started by kestas, duration 15 mins ******
22:36:51 <Fihlvein> elma crashed ks0007.lev
22:37:18 <Fihlvein> yup, cannot play, crashed again
22:37:21 <Fihlvein> nobody else?
22:37:29 <Fihlvein> i redownloaded and no good
22:39:17 <kd_ie> tried on the page too?
22:39:45 <Fihlvein> yup
22:39:49 <Fihlvein> keeps crashing
22:40:02 <Fihlvein> is there some odd start that could cause internal error?
22:40:09 <kd_ie> nope
22:40:22 <kd_ie> not even poly close
22:40:57 <Jappe2> it buggy belma
22:41:00 <Fihlvein> yup, keeps crashing
22:41:06 <Dani_TAH> crashes here too
22:41:06 <Jappe2> mila mayke bugs, lots of em
22:41:15 <Fihlvein> oh Dani too
22:41:15 <Dani_TAH> not internal errors, just crashes elma ;&
22:41:18 <Fihlvein> yea
22:41:23 <Fihlvein> just grey crashing
22:41:31  * zw0r-MK got elam crash too
22:41:35 <zw0r> elma*

The level in question is here: http://download.b.attle.info/ks0007.lev

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 4 Jun 2007, 21:09

My guess would be the number of pictures in the level. The limit in normal editor is at 5k, maybe he made more than 5k pictures using ALE, which resulted in a crash. I have no idea whether there is over 5k texture pictures in the level, but I couldn't find anything else that has a potential to crash the whole game.

Btw, some 1.4x.xx ff :O

dz · Post by dz » 4 Jun 2007, 21:13

Igge wrote:My guess would be the number of pictures in the level. The limit in normal editor is at 5k, maybe he made more than 5k pictures using ALE, which resulted in a crash. I have no idea whether there is over 5k texture pictures in the level, but I couldn't find anything else that has a potential to crash the whole game.

I tried with low detail and it indeed did not crash! After that I changed to high detail and it did crash, so it must be with graphics.

I also tried the level with Elma 1.2 Final and it crashed so it's not belma's fault after all.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 4 Jun 2007, 21:40

Let that be a lesson to all you ALE users. Don't mess with the elma rules just cause you can, because in the end, it will only come back and bite you, and fuck everything up.

Sounds like I'm talking to hackers here..

Post by **SveinR** » 5 Jun 2007, 00:07

dz wrote: I also tried the level with Elma 1.2 Final and it crashed so it's not belma's fault after all.

I tried it now with 1.11hb, high details, and it did NOT crash. So I guess the problem might lie with 1.2.

niN · Post by **niN** » 5 Jun 2007, 06:09

SveinR wrote:
dz wrote: I also tried the level with Elma 1.2 Final and it crashed so it's not belma's fault after all.
I tried it now with 1.11hb, high details, and it did NOT crash. So I guess the problem might lie with 1.2.

Did you try it in 1.2? Since dz said it only crashed for some

JohnPaul · Post by **JohnPaul** » 5 Jun 2007, 18:05

dz : try with lower resolution

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 6 Jun 2007, 22:09

same thing happened again

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-->22:29:11<-- <balleserve>22:30:10<-- <MK> crasher lev :x

But it seems it only happened to me :/

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 7 Jun 2007, 09:27

milagros wrote: 5. private chat ingame - no idea how to do it user friendly so you dont have to type /msg zweq every time

ez reply

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 8 Jun 2007, 13:13

JohnPaul wrote:dz : try with lower resolution

yeah, the same happened to me too in different lev and lower resolution helped, dunno why (didn't work with 1024x768 but worked with 800x600). I hope mila can explain this.

JohnPaul · Post by **JohnPaul** » 8 Jun 2007, 17:47

From elma12.txt:

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  3.1. Internal errors when loading levs
  --------------------------------------

   When a grass polygon is too far from a normal polygon, you can get
   an internal error. Elma 1.11a had the same problem, but since you can zoom
   in Elma 1.2, you can have that problem on levels which worked before. Just
   use low video details or use a lower zoom.


  3.2. Crashes when loading levs
  ------------------------------

   When a mask is "out" of a level (far in the ground around the level), 
   Elasto Mania can crash when you try to load that level. It's a bug of the
   official Elma 1.11a, but since you can zoom in Elma 1.2, you can have that
   problem on levels which worked before. To avoid that bug and keep a high
   zoom level, use low video detail. A patched version of the Serpents Tale
   is provided with elma 1.2, otherwise it would crash with zoom x3. If there
   doesn't seem to be anything wrong with a level someone has made, but still
   it crashes, this bug might be what's causing it.

Maybe same kind of bug.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 8 Jun 2007, 21:44

i know where exactly that bug in the code is (its the same bug that causes elma crash), its only a few lines in asm but still i didnt manage to solve teh so that it will work correctly for normal images and wont freeze (infinite loop) for those cases

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 8 Jun 2007, 23:10

Is it just me, or is the "winning rec uploaded" text not always shown?

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 10 Jun 2007, 13:51

milagros wrote:1. remove possibility to start qwquu levs
2. 'hide times' checkbox for startballe
3. position in balle in status text
4. ftp to nonblocking http
5. private chat ingame - no idea how to do it user friendly so you dont have to type /msg zweq every time
6. normal multiplaying (also for more than 2 players)

was bored last night when inet crashed so did 2. and 3.

KD · Post by KD » 10 Jun 2007, 14:04

Great, hope you will soon put a release together from the improvements.
I like inet crashes too, thats when i prepare for my exams the most.