Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

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Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by Kopaka » 8 Aug 2008, 12:03

Here you can report bugs from EOL site, suggest and discuss new features.
Try to keep this topic to things related to the site only, use this for in-game bugs and features.
Url: http://elmaonline.net/


Prioritized to-do list
1. Remake chat page
2. Add features to API
3. Ranking
4. Achievements [link]


Plans and ideas
General
Stats
1 hour tt stats
Advanced stats search (see mawane post)
Volts per run ect.
Top lists for number of volts ect.
countdown for weekly updated levpacks
playing time - 'number of finishes * wr', maybe >10mins = 10mins
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Achievements - more and for levelpacks
Most played levels in playing time (personal)
Compare function (battles where both players played ect.)
Chat log
Click chat lines to get info about events around that time
Ranking
New formula (for main ranking)



Known Bugs
Certain battle types show wrong placement on player pages.

Url: http://elmaonline.net/
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i liked it
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Post by FinMan » 8 Aug 2008, 16:50

Kopa :* Max site =P


What is that crippling optinion "drunk"
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Post by Kopaka » 8 Aug 2008, 17:37

FinMan wrote:What is that crippling optinion "drunk"
Everytime you take an apple throttle and brake key switches, and left/right volt key switches.


Rating battle levels?, comment battles on site? good/bad idea?

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Post by Sla » 8 Aug 2008, 18:10

like xarthok said, excelent! very niceee kopa. Statistics for everywhere is a very nice thing. National stats needed imo. will check more later.

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Post by FinMan » 8 Aug 2008, 19:39

Maybe that rating could be nice idea. :) For levelmakers much easier to collect best of own levels etc. and check what ideas are bad. :)
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Post by Mawane » 8 Aug 2008, 20:30

In the Battle section, if we click on 2008, we should have all battles in 2008 or if we click on august, all battles for this month appear. because each day battles could be long to search specific level that you dont know when it was battled
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Post by niN » 8 Aug 2008, 22:39

Best website in the scene :P. I love the design, the functions you describe sound amazing. Kopaka, you are a star
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Post by teajay » 12 Aug 2008, 16:11

i will check this at home. who leaked this?

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Post by The_BoneLESS » 12 Aug 2008, 18:42

other question: when will this be ready (approximatly)? a month? half a year?
was just wondering...
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Post by zebra » 12 Aug 2008, 20:42

Very nice site indeed, kopaka. I like the simplicity, but not necessarily the circles up there. They are ok though.

Some improvement ideas/bugs:

Home:
In the battle list, the battle type could be seen directly in the list. Now it's only a tooltip (i don't like them). Btw, what are those Last Counts | Flag Tag | Apple | Speed battles? :) :O If they are even near to what they sound like, it will be amazing addition to belma once again. But 'bugs accepted' sounds weird...
In the chat log players could be in <angle brackets> instead of (round brackets), but it's only my opinion :)
In register, maybe 'retype password'? Should there be some kind of e-mail confirmation (for example)?

Battles:
Little bit confusing. Like mawane said, it should be possible to get all the battles from february 2008, for example. Instead of that kind of multiple buttons system, could it be better to have some kind of search? For example I could search battles from given date to another given date, battles with given crippled options, battles with given type, battles from given designer, battles with given name pattern. With all of these settings selected from some kind of combo boxes, I could then press 'search' and it would return me the battles I searched. It should be possible to get all the returned levs and recs in a zip file too.

Today's and this week's/month's stats could be somewhere else, maybe in the stats page.

Ranking:
Ok, this is not implemented yet and we have talked this a lot in some other thread. The most important things are that people are not punished from playing, and you should get more points when beating a good kuski than when beating some noob.

Stats:
Internal stats seem to be quite good. Though some ppl would like to see more detailed stats like averages and total times. I found out that the page was pretty slow to update when I pressed those 'Best times' and 'Overall best times' links. I wonder if it's getting even slower when the database grows bigger? Btw, 'Overall best times' doesn't sound so good. Could it be 'All times'?

Cup, or should it be Cups? Can there be multiple cups going at the same time or just one? That 'Top Designers' is pretty funny there. Is that date there the deadline?

Level packs - I'm really looking forward to this. I guess there will be pretty much same kind of stats as in internals?

1 hour and 24 hour TT's look ok. After all they are not so important for me anyway.

Players:
This looks good. I only wonder why there is 'Top designers' there but not 'Top players'. I guess they should be somehow in the same place?

Help:
I think this page should also contain all the needed files needed for playing belma (except the elma.res maybe).


Some other things:
- Will players skirts (bmps) be available on this site?
- 'Top designers shows all battles, should show only fresh levels, maybe move to battles section' - why so? I think it should show all the battles. Or at least you should be able to choose.
- Can I play crippled in some other way than starting a battle? If not, then for example those crippled stats on internals will be quite stupid because no-one likes if starting internal battles.
- And yes, team and national statistics would be nice.
- What improvements are there inside belma? Ok, maybe not in the scope of this thread but would be nice to know :)
- Is it possible to start a level as a battle and after that make it part of a level pack?
- Battle/level ranking and commenting is a good idea, though not the most important thing.
- Site layout (which isn't bad) is pretty important after all because some ppl might start playing belma only if the page looks good.
- There are some useless data now, for example number of volts pressed. Have you thought that the database might get too big if all these kind of information is stored? I hope at least that the unfinished times are not saved into the database.
- Is it possible to change team? What happens when player changes team? What happens to his/her old records, will they move to the new team's times or not? Are cup teams possible anymore?

I hope that you will release this soon :)
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Post by Antz » 14 Aug 2008, 11:32

zebra wrote:- Can I play crippled in some other way than starting a battle? If not, then for example those crippled stats on internals will be quite stupid because no-one likes if starting internal battles.
i'll comment this one. the only thing you need to do is to play like it's crippled. don't press break in the lev you're playing and it'll automatically show on the nobreak cripples, same for every other type.
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Post by nony » 14 Aug 2008, 13:57

zebra wrote:What happens when player changes team? What happens to his/her old records, will they move to the new team's times or not?
that would be kinky...:)

ontopic: i am a big fan of stats, so seeing all years/months/days' battles looks great. besides that, the kind of 'top' that was previously discussed where if you win against good players... etc. is also smth nice.

my only worry would be to have a server to store such a big database with all the recs&levs and for that i'm willing to help too, somehow...

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Post by Mawane » 16 Aug 2008, 22:40

there sould be time spent on belma by players too because i saw Total time played for "today"
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Post by Kopaka » 22 Aug 2008, 10:58

new url: http://elmaonline.moposite.com/


The_BoneLESS wrote:other question: when will this be ready (approximatly)? a month? half a year?
was just wondering...
Mostly up to when mila finishes it, not much left though.
zebra wrote:Btw, what are those Last Counts | Flag Tag | Apple | Speed battles? :) :O
Last counts: Everytime you restart level your time is reset, so the last time you make counts. Flag Tag is flag tag for any number of players. Apple counts how many of the apples you've gotten combined in all runs. Speed is max speed accomplished.
zebra wrote:could it be better to have some kind of search?
good idea, added to list, zip possible I think
zebra wrote:Cup, or should it be Cups? Can there be multiple cups going at the same time or just one? That 'Top Designers' is pretty funny there. Is that date there the deadline?
Only one cup at a time, date deadline yes
zebra wrote:This looks good. I only wonder why there is 'Top designers' there but not 'Top players'. I guess they should be somehow in the same place?
What you mean top players? Most battles played, best ranking?
zebra wrote:Will players skirts (bmps) be available on this site?
Already are on player page, will try to make some zip dl aswell
zebra wrote:Is it possible to start a level as a battle and after that make it part of a level pack?
yes
zebra wrote:Is it possible to change team? What happens when player changes team? What happens to his/her old records, will they move to the new team's times or not? Are cup teams possible anymore?
records will move as it is now, cup teams not really possible, but if really needed it could be changed
nony wrote:my only worry would be to have a server to store such a big database with all the recs&levs and for that i'm willing to help too, somehow...
We already are running moposite server, should be fine

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Post by DaFred » 23 Aug 2008, 16:51

That all sound so awesome =)
Can you say something to last counts and Speed plz. The more Battlestyles the better but I cant imagin in which kind of lev that can be nice..
In last counts I must see if I think I can do a better run? And if I think I cant I go to another lev and wait? Can be a little boring or not? And its a normal lev I put that mode for?
And in 'speed' I just need the maxest speed? So its a downhill lev or how does a good 'speed' lev looks like?
Thx, cant wait for it =)

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Post by FinMan » 23 Aug 2008, 17:06

Frede: time will shows that what type of levels are best for speed balles. :D
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Frede: time will shows that what type of levels are best for speed balles. :D
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Post by DaFred » 24 Aug 2008, 15:52

maybe the testers allready have test some levs with these modes and can tell somethin? :)

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Post by zebra » 25 Aug 2008, 06:21

Kopaka wrote:
zebra wrote:This looks good. I only wonder why there is 'Top designers' there but not 'Top players'. I guess they should be somehow in the same place?
What you mean top players? Most battles played, best ranking?
Hmm, I'm not sure... I just thought there could be 'Top players' too because it was 'Players' page. But anyway, I guess you can decide this yourself. Generally, the site is good.
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Post by dz » 26 Aug 2008, 11:42

Just a quiestion, how does this relate to the skint0r's site? What different purposes does it serve? A competitor?

I like it. :D

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dz wrote:Just a quiestion, how does this relate to the skint0r's site? What different purposes does it serve? A competitor?

I like it. :D

This is instead of skint0r's site, he lost interest.

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Post by DaFred » 27 Aug 2008, 00:15

And did he also lost the money? :D

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Post by teajay » 27 Aug 2008, 00:16

he probably did ._.

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Post by 8-ball » 27 Aug 2008, 07:46

some point
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Post by niN » 31 Aug 2008, 11:34

Jappe wrote:
kopaka wrote:Feel free to make whole new design, only pictures needed are the menu and the headline ELMA ONLINE and the red and green dots. But don't start making css just yet, there might still be changes, if you don't know css I can make the colors in that fit to your graphic. If we get a few design we can make poll about which to use as default and then you can change in settings.
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Post by Mawane » 31 Aug 2008, 14:02

i suggest to have the choice between all design done
btw, good job jappe2, but only holes in letters need to be filled by the same color :P
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Post by Raven » 11 Sep 2008, 12:33

I could make better design?
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Post by DaFred » 11 Sep 2008, 15:13

btw what is about the old skint0r design?
That was quite cool

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DaFred wrote:btw what is about the old skint0r design?
That was quite cool
Yeah it was quite coal, though I vote current design rather than that. But it was cool indeed.
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Raven wrote:I could make better design?
yes please!
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Raven wrote:I could make better design?
Feel free =) As I said we can have poll about which to use as default and then you can choose the others in settings.

DaFred wrote:btw what is about the old skint0r design?
That was quite cool
I asked him before I started making this but never got an answer, feel free to try yourself.

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Post by Kopaka » 2 Oct 2008, 18:53

About team/national stats, what kind of stats does people want? Some kinglist/ranking points for teams, team records in levpacks ect?

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Post by Mawane » 2 Oct 2008, 19:00

just saw the site, and i think that pic of shirt could be the alternative choice for kuski

about team/nat, imo, it should be same than single player but in function of number of players
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looks max!
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Rating Levels would be nice and comments too imo!
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I don't want lvl rating system. Last time we tried it. It only ended up in shit talk, hatred and annoyance. Someone started a battle. Was okiz to hoyl and afterwards "you can now vote: /vote 1-5 to vote. And everyone was like.. Crap lvl.. 1 1111.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1. 2.. maybe some single person.. Oh great lvl 5.. and average ended up being like 1.4 out 5 which would be with those scores, a bad lvl. I think almost all of the lvl makers felt bad after getting crap votes.. "Why is my lvl so bad?" "Why do you always vote bad on my lvls, xiphy!!???" ... etc :P YES I voted dozens of 1 or 2 or wtf on bad hoyla/speedies boring lvls.

Don't know if anyone remember this. We had it on #battle for not so long, since it wasn't so popular.


Just had to say something about it. Of course we could give it a try. and ez remove it again. But heard something about this is the last thing mila does. So MILA: be sure to give Kopaka or who ever get's to run the server, a possibility to disable noob functions that end up being nab functions:::::::::::::::::D


did that make any sense at all? i wonder. just noticed this is for the website :P anyways. give it a thought
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Post by The_BoneLESS » 15 Oct 2008, 16:02

any release date in a near future?

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Xiphias wrote:I don't want lvl rating system. Last time we tried it. It only ended up in shit talk, hatred and annoyance. Someone started a battle. Was okiz to hoyl and afterwards "you can now vote: /vote 1-5 to vote. And everyone was like.. Crap lvl.. 1 1111.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1. 2.. maybe some single person.. Oh great lvl 5.. and average ended up being like 1.4 out 5 which would be with those scores, a bad lvl. I think almost all of the lvl makers felt bad after getting crap votes.. "Why is my lvl so bad?" "Why do you always vote bad on my lvls, xiphy!!???" ... etc :P YES I voted dozens of 1 or 2 or wtf on bad hoyla/speedies boring lvls.

Don't know if anyone remember this. We had it on #battle for not so long, since it wasn't so popular.


Just had to say something about it. Of course we could give it a try. and ez remove it again. But heard something about this is the last thing mila does. So MILA: be sure to give Kopaka or who ever get's to run the server, a possibility to disable noob functions that end up being nab functions:::::::::::::::::D


did that make any sense at all? i wonder. just noticed this is for the website :P anyways. give it a thought
Another thing is that sometimes people just make a quickie lev in 2 minutes, if there's a rating system then some people might stop making those to avoid getting bad rating for nothing. Maybe it could be possible for the levmaker to choose whether he wants the lev to be rated or not. Then the rating could be for example "Average rating 3.79, rated levels 37/53"
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Post by Igge » 15 Oct 2008, 19:19

or we could just fak rating the levels/designers. if someone makes several nice levels, he will be acknowledged, and people will know this person makes nice levels - one does not need a site to tell him that he has a rating of 4.238/5
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Igge wrote:or we could just fak rating the levels/designers. if someone makes several nice levels, he will be acknowledged, and people will know this person makes nice levels - one does not need a site to tell him that he has a rating of 4.238/5
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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by zebra » 16 Oct 2008, 08:19

I think the rating system could be good, but a single vote shouldn't matter too much. What about a simple plus/minus evaluation? You decide whether you liked the lev or not. And the designer doesn't need to know who has voted plus and who minus.
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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by Grace » 16 Oct 2008, 09:57

also, we could make it that only certain people can vote on levs maybe... like a 'respected players' vote, and here on lauta hev some topic where we all decide on who can rate and who can't.
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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by Kopaka » 16 Oct 2008, 10:18

The_BoneLESS wrote:any release date in a near future?

(Please don't make a Paprika out of this site...)
It will be released along with the new elma online version, so it up to mila really, I think a release before christmas is possible.

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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by niN » 16 Oct 2008, 16:26

I love Kopaka! So dedicated and hard-working :D You're gonna be next sveinr dude!
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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by teajay » 16 Oct 2008, 17:35

yeah, you are a cool swine, dude!

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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by zebra » 6 Nov 2008, 17:22

Just did a quick look at the current front page of http://elmaonline.moposite.com/ and these things occurred to me:

What is that big kopaka picture in the middle of the page? I hope it's not the same as the skirt will be inside belma, because at least I would like to put something else there than the zebra stripes.

I think chat log should be in the newest-line-last order like it is normally in belma and in every chat. It's hard to read such inverted chat as it is now on the site.

Also pages which are empty could show something like 'not logged in' text. Otherwise noobs don't understand why they are not seeing anything. It's possible though that they wouldn't understand it anyway... :)
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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by niN » 6 Nov 2008, 17:38

The big shirt shows the latest winner. And personally, I like the fact that it is the on-line shirt :)
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Re: Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Post by Kopaka » 6 Nov 2008, 17:53

First my idea was that ppl could upload pics of themselves that would be shown there but someone pointed out that probably no one would do that, so I changed it to show the ingame shirt. Better ideas are welcome ofcourse.


Most of those empty pages will be viewable even if not logged in, but is not now because I had to do some security stuff first, actually making them viewable again just now. But will make some not logged in text ofcourse if there will be any such page (:

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