Elma Online site: Plans, Ideas, Changes

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 30 Nov 2008, 02:45

just had a long look at the site and most of it's features, it's really incredible kopa, very well done.

firstly:

http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=stats ... ck&lp=xoxo

in levelpacks, the order of levels is currently alphabetical, so instead of going

xoxo
xoxo2
xoxo3
xoxo4

etc.

it goes

xoxo
xoxo10
xoxo11
xoxo12
xoxo13
xoxo14
xoxo2

=] just thought that was a slight bug.

otherwise, this is incredible awesome, perfectly done =]

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 30 Nov 2008, 03:59

this site is best site ever! what about writing the point formulas somewhere?

and there should be a site map. i noticed also that even if my cursor is on a link, or a word that activate/open something, it still the same, how can i know if there is something special, cursor should change

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 30 Nov 2008, 11:57

SmaXa wrote:much text...

Thats annoying on belma on any battle. Like me, many ppl uses search like if theres "FMBa123.lev" as a battle, i just write "fmbaa" while searching levs. It goes one lev after the latest fmba lev. But, if it was done like SmaXa said, theres like 800 levels (if done over 1000) between here.

Max.

Ontopic: is the kinglist system on levelpacks same than on Kopasite.net?

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 30 Nov 2008, 12:01

FinMan wrote:Ontopic: is the kinglist system on levelpacks same than on Kopasite.net?

Yes.

Mawane you mean those links that comments on battles that opens more stuff without reload? Yeah I'm aware of that, not really sure what to do but will take a look.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 1 Dec 2008, 10:25

Kopaka, some things:

the battle experience points (seen here: http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=ranking) are still called Kinglist here: http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=players&k=Jappe2 which is wrong because as we agreed, kinglist is different thing.

the chat here: http://elmaonline.moposite.com/ is still newest-first (instead of newest-last) which is hard to read. I suggested this also before but you didn't say anything about it so maybe you forgot. Is it possible to see the chat little further?

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 1 Dec 2008, 14:13

Ye I've noticed that kinglist thing aswell, chat thing required like 1 min work so I didn't do it at first, but I will, anyway thanks for reminding had forgotten both (:

And you can press on chat headline for more chat

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 23 Apr 2009, 12:07

Found a small but funny bug (occurs at least with Firefox 3.0.9).
In the frontpage, there's this text
"Read the rules before you start playing. If you're new here please read the guides in the wiki to get started."

If I hover mouse right under the guides-link, the cursor starts switching between normal and link cursor (hand), and it takes 100% of CPU xD

And yea the chat is still other way round in Chat-page.

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 20 Feb 2010, 01:02

on player stats, like this for example, if you select a time unit, the box exceed the page width
http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=players&k=Markku

EDIT: since in belma, top left pixel color determines what color to remove for transparency, can this be included for people shirt view?

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 20 Feb 2010, 13:41

Mawane wrote:EDIT: since in belma, top left pixel color determines what color to remove for transparency, can this be included for people shirt view?

Possible sure, I've never done any picture editing in php, so dunno if I could but could try some time.

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 26 Jul 2010, 16:11

Please use this topic to report bugs on the site.

I updated the first page with plans and known bugs. Don't bother with suggestion new features for now, unless it's something vital, focus on bugs for now.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 27 Jul 2010, 07:34

the "watch online" function

sometimes ride just wont load, dunno why the fak, only rec that does it everytime is the latest battle(with a rec): http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=replayonline&b=50 never loads for me

then if i watch this first battle:
http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=replayonline&b=4
it loads teh rec in any other lev from there on at least for me:
http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=replayonline&b=5
http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=replayonline&b=24

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 27 Jul 2010, 10:44

First one is because it's an internal and those levs are not on server. Can't seem to reproduce the other problem, those 3 gives matching lev and rec for me.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 27 Jul 2010, 11:04

those internals we can upload manually ofc

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 27 Jul 2010, 17:19

Kopaka wrote:can't seem to reproduce the other problem, those 3 gives matching lev and rec for me.

what browser you're using?

im using firefox and im opening the links in same tab, i noticed earlier if i open in separate tabs they work ok

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 27 Jul 2010, 17:32

im using opera and it seem to get fucked up if you open several windows with different replays, it probably contains only one object in memory with data and you can see only one level and replay at a time..
i managed to fuck it up the way that i saw wrong level with wrong rec together
i guess kopaka cant do anything about it

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 27 Jul 2010, 17:50

my problem occurred when using one tab, not several

there is some problem for sure when watching that replay with battle id 4, because it always fucks up watching other recs after that. if i restart firefox and never open that id 4, i can watch all battle recs without problem

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 27 Jul 2010, 23:03

milagros wrote:im using opera and it seem to get fucked up if you open several windows with different replays, it probably contains only one object in memory with data and you can see only one level and replay at a time..
i managed to fuck it up the way that i saw wrong level with wrong rec together
i guess kopaka cant do anything about it

That's because the script can't read directly from db, so have to create a lev and rec file on server, and it always uses same filename so it overwrites and will use same when more than one in use. So will also happen if more users are watching stuff at the same time. Might be able to make some system with more files or something, but let's see if it becomes a problem.

Still can't reproduce zweq's problem, I use firefox aswell, and tried opening them in same tab after each other. Let's see if it will happen with some other battle like that id 4.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 28 Jul 2010, 09:59

one to way get around it is to generate not the same file but nick based file - number of files will not get over a few hundreds and more ppl can watch

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 28 Jul 2010, 10:47

And fixed the rankings page, and along with that most likely the personal stats like wins, winrow. Please check these for yourself and see if they are rigth.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 28 Jul 2010, 11:39

ranking tabs in player's stats are fail, old statsik not removed and new not introduced
and this
Battle Wins
0 Wins
Best Battle Winning Row
1 Wins
still a lot to work at

and shirt still wrong

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 28 Jul 2010, 12:50

My name is not on there.

http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=ranking

Also, this doesn't look right:

http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=players&k=Lousku

0 wins, 3 wins in a row.

EDIT: nevermind, I didn't know special battles don't count in ranking.

jonsykkel · Post by **jonsykkel** » 28 Jul 2010, 12:52

sometimes, the players page (http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=players) takes sik long to load even tho theres not that many mans on it yet

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 28 Jul 2010, 17:01

can't be right. there are more teams in the ranking than players.

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 28 Jul 2010, 17:15

Lukazz wrote:can't be right. there are more teams in the ranking than players.

Cus it shows only top10 players and all teams by default, could change that ofc to show just top10 teams also.

The players page is faster now I think, atleast haven't been slow for me since I did some small change.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 28 Jul 2010, 23:01

eh. i thought it was not possible to lose points in normal Ranking list? 5 hours ago i was 10th, i didn't play one single battle (don't even have EOL on this comp) and now i'm 5th. wtf.

EDIT: lol, and won 7 places in Exp points even.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 29 Jul 2010, 00:00

Minor problem: Seems like no way to remove or acknowledge a "new shout" notification.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 29 Jul 2010, 05:36

mmm seems like you did a fine job already Kopa

shirt is now correct, also ranking tabs in players accs are more or less correct (more or less cuz i was once 5th not 6th :S http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=playe ... &p=ranking), also take a look at the ranking history, sth is wrong there, at least ranking, 00000 everywhere

and is no. of battles no of all balles or those played?
also ranking and exp is now better but still buggy, wins are totally fucked
(just by the way, what are the final point systems for ranking and experience?)

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 29 Jul 2010, 08:07

With the default theme there is still the "closed beta" text, which might be true of course, but with other themes it's not visible. You should maybe change the default theme already. Didn't we have a voting of it?

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 29 Jul 2010, 10:12

LousQ wrote:Minor problem: Seems like no way to remove or acknowledge a "new shout" notification.

It should be removed when you click it and go to your page.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 29 Jul 2010, 11:14

players online are still wrong, much more players are marked green

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 29 Jul 2010, 11:35

Pawq wrote:players online are still wrong, much more players are marked green

Shows exactly the rights players for me.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 29 Jul 2010, 14:18

Kopaka wrote:
LousQ wrote:Minor problem: Seems like no way to remove or acknowledge a "new shout" notification.
It should be removed when you click it and go to your page.

It's not and neither is it removed when i expand the shoutbox or anything else.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 29 Jul 2010, 14:49

would be like MEGANICE to have an ability to change default time zone. seeing last battle winner an hour ahead is massively irritating

i hope its not too much work and could be introduced...

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 29 Jul 2010, 15:39

Pawq wrote:would be like MEGANICE to have an ability to change default time zone. seeing last battle winner an hour ahead is massively irritating i hope its not too much work and could be introduced...

Ez, but a lot of work having to add that function everywhere that shows time. But it's added to the list.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 29 Jul 2010, 17:49

when you click on a specific battle there http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=battles you get an error. it would be nice if it shows how many points you got on that battle.
EDIT: on my profile it says i have 1 Win. but on the "latest battles" i can see 2 first places.

jblaze · Post by **jblaze** » 29 Jul 2010, 18:49

Lukazz wrote:EDIT: on my profile it says i have 1 Win. but on the "latest battles" i can see 2 first places.

Its because of special battles, which not count. I see 2 first places too, but i have 0 wins, cause i won on Flagtags.
But its weird that i have 2 wins in a row, i think special battles shouldnt be counted in wins in a row too

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 29 Jul 2010, 20:42

Wins won't count as wins if there aren't enough players. Not sure what is the limit though, 10 players or something.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 29 Jul 2010, 21:09

lol strange

EDIT: and exp points and all that stuff just for normal battles too? seriously, i don't get this stuff!

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 30 Jul 2010, 11:53

You can select the different battle types in the drop down boxes.

There's no limit for a win to count.. as far as I remember

Winrows to count for all types makes most sense to me. Cus if it where only normal battles and there were some flag tag in between two normals it wouldn't really by in a row, and would be lame to break the row.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 30 Jul 2010, 12:07

exp. points can't be right. best player has only 92 points... i played like 5 battles today and got still the same amount i got three days ago.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 30 Jul 2010, 15:39

for the design:

ez set default to at least Top 50 in everey category, and teams to maybe 20. Designer page shows only 4 players!
EDIT: ah i see, shows only designers with over 10 levs?

Bludek · Post by **Bludek** » 30 Jul 2010, 16:26

comments for levs would be very cool...

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 30 Jul 2010, 22:18

possible to see times from hidden times battle in stats?

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 30 Jul 2010, 22:40

maybe reset the rankings sometimes now? cause i still cannot believe that they are right... i was nabbing in battles all day long and i am 2nd now. pab owned me 5 times in balles today and is 12th.

jblaze · Post by **jblaze** » 30 Jul 2010, 22:52

Lukazz wrote:maybe reset the rankings sometimes now? cause i still cannot believe that they are right... i was nabbing in battles all day long and i am 2nd now. pab owned me 5 times in balles today and is 12th.

They are completely weird.
Im still nabbing and im 9th just beacause im playing?!
Wanna know what are points given for and how much

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 30 Jul 2010, 23:26

should show team of player somewhere when you click on his name.
EDIT:
and pls make stats for multiballes.

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 31 Jul 2010, 02:43

when adding levs to levpack, if i add twice, it put twice the lev to the pack... so it fakes TT
and could add "check all" button

EDIT:
and would be nice to search throught whole lev database instead of only battles

EDIT2:
Max made this, could be used for maps on site
http://ntus.uni.cc/ballelev/current.htm

or domi's domovoy map maker online
http://idiaths.ru/maker/?draw_objs=1&li ... ainPie.lev
object can be dots or real objects

masterBurn · Post by **masterBurn** » 31 Jul 2010, 08:18

Mawane wrote:Max made this, could be used for maps on site
http://ntus.uni.cc/ballelev/current.htm

Leet.

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 31 Jul 2010, 11:26

Ranking points wrong is already in known bugs list people.. (:

Mawane wrote:when adding levs to levpack, if i add twice, it put twice the lev to the pack... so it fakes TT
and could add "check all" button

Some delete lev fak needed atleast yea.

Mawane wrote: EDIT:
and would be nice to search throught whole lev database instead of only battles

http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=stats&p=level

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 31 Jul 2010, 11:33

Lukazz wrote:pls make stats for multiballes.

and

elma wiki wrote:NewRanking = OldRanking * (1 + 0.003 * exp(0.001 * (BeatedPlayersRanking - OldRanking)))

http://zworqy.com/elmawiki/index.php/We ... p:_Ranking
but i agree those are not right, miraculously i'm 7th xd

also i think rules of designer rankings should be changed
http://elmaonline.moposite.com/?s=ranking&designer=true
no highest ranked battles...? i think battles with any amount of votes should be there, like top10-20, also i think there should be more guys with most levels, what were the requirements for a level to be counted in there?