Finish All Levels (1—420 Finished)

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 23 Aug 2023, 12:47

Today I was browsing the TMNF-X (Track Mania Nations Forever Exchange) website and noticed that the current track count (592,886) is not much higher than Elma Online's level count (561,119 as of typing this). I couldn't help but feel a little excited as we are set to overtake TMNF-X in level count. But one thing stuck out to me. In Track Mania, it is generally required for a track to be validated before it is posted. Validation means that the player must actually finish the level before sharing it with others. With Elma Online that is not the case. Our game's database is likely filled with many impossible levels.

With this information, I propose a challenge to anyone who'll join me: We try to finish as many levels as possible from the database.
I have already gone through and checked all levels from id 1 to 100. Apart from internal 55, multi levs, clearly impossible levs (incomplete levs, etc.), apple battle levs, and levels not found in the database, I have finished all but two of the unfinished levs. The two still unfinished are https://elma.online/levels/67 and https://elma.online/levels/99. I am certain 67 is possible, and 99 would require either some sick bounce or brutal to get to the flower. I will be trying these levels frequently, and wouldn't mind some help. After those two are finished I will continue onwards past id 100.

Btw, it would be nice if some admin could give some quick stats on how many levels have not been finished yet.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Feel free to add notes or tick off any that you have finished.

To view only pipes, for example:

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 23 Aug 2023, 14:51

267.073 levels has been finished out of 561.121 as of right now.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 24 Aug 2023, 06:17

Wow, I thought it would be at least half. Thanks for looking that up!
Anyway, I finished 67.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 24 Aug 2023, 07:10

Hello Lee!

This is very interesting approach! I had the same thing in my mind year or two ago and searched through the EOL database. Anyway, after seeing the vast amount of levels, I quickly gave up on that idea. Instead, I downloaded all the level packs and now I have been trying to finish most of the level pack levels. Well, I think I have finished around 2000 levels of around 50000 levels now (these are very rough numbers, maybe Kopaka could check how many levels there are totally in the level packs). So my challenge would be to finish all the level packs!

It's also very nice to see comparison to TMNF, I played quite a lot the first version of TMNF during its golden years.

Kopaka, in EOL site I would like to have the following features:
- To see how many levels have been finished of a level pack
- To see how many levels I have finished of a level pack
- To see how many levels have been finished totally
- To see how many levels I have finished totally

Also would be interesting
- To download a random unfinished level from the database
- To order player list by amount of finished levels

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 24 Aug 2023, 11:26

really cool idea, but scary many unfinished levels :0

Like Zebra is saying, what if you could add like command ingame such as !rand and !randuf or such, where !randuf downloads and loads a random unfinished level from the DB (rand would just dl and load any random level)

Then if you play a level you can use command !impsy to vote the level as completely impossible, or !hard if you think its possible but maybe you cant finish yourself. Then maybe if at least 2-3 votes for !impsy or !hard it sets that flag on elma.online.

Then you could filter levels on the website by unfinished and hard to see possible levels to improve, and impsy levels will get impsy flag.

very much work for something that likely wont be used much, but could be an idea)

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 24 Aug 2023, 11:38

https://elma.online/r/lfbia74scy/tal03rmxHSL style

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 24 Aug 2023, 11:44

53.138 levels in packs.

zebra wrote: ↑24 Aug 2023, 07:10 - To see how many levels have been finished of a level pack
- To see how many levels I have finished of a level pack

That can be seen on the pack page, when unfinished TT will show X/Y under records and personal tabs.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 24 Aug 2023, 13:00

Thanks Kopaka, found the ratio from the bottom of the personal page. Was quite hard to find

Would be nice to see it (the number of levels I have finished of a level pack) directly in the level pack list. But there seems to be already so much information in the level pack list that I guess it's hard to add.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 24 Aug 2023, 14:43

https://elma.online/r/2b5eo6dlcb/tal03rmxHosp

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 24 Aug 2023, 23:06

Nice, Hosp!

I'm glad to see some enthusiasm for this idea. I'll go and try the next 100 levels and report back with any impsy ones.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 25 Aug 2023, 13:32

https://elma.online/r/657ymu7f1e/nomb39HSL
style
made it to last 2 apples live but a bit hard definitely doable tho

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 25 Aug 2023, 14:35

https://elma.online/r/kxigtwzxmv/nomb39Hosp

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 26 Aug 2023, 00:19

Cool!

384 and 385 are too hard for me. We need some pro pipe mans to help with those.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 26 Aug 2023, 11:49

Did 384, very nice pipe)
Working on 385 now.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 26 Aug 2023, 12:26

Finished 883 (not sure why this was unfinished, was first try in lev) and 934. This is a nice idea, it would be nice if the finishable levels could be for example battled.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 26 Aug 2023, 13:14

Nice ones!

There was another ali003.lev with a different ID. It looked like a different iteration of the design process. Even though it was unfinished (and not beginner friendly) it was still a fun lev.
I did battle a couple of levs, but no one was able to finish except me. I upped some recs if you're interested in seeing the difficulty of those levs:
https://elma.online/r/jiuecxp2hm/10wr0ng_322Lee
https://elma.online/r/hhpdvodt9v/abdhskaLee

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 26 Aug 2023, 13:43

finished 385, pretty hardik pipe for nab, some adi could probably first try it tho)
https://elma.online/r/ss2p22b4xq/EBLP174igge2971

edit:
also finished 431, 433, 435, 444 all nice pipes by jon)

edit:
also finished 494, ez
701 needs some good head-first piping skills but shouldnt be too hard for good piper imo)

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 27 Aug 2023, 03:38

I beat 366 (the Apple Harvest with killer floor) on my second try. It was actually not that hard at all. I was getting the flower maybe 50+% of the time in editor.

ArZeNiK · Post by **ArZeNiK** » 27 Aug 2023, 09:16

I love this incentive! Sadly, my keyboard is a mess rn so can't participate myself, but might be able to weigh in a few weeks.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 28 Aug 2023, 01:53

I finished 409. It was quite easy. I just had to play like a noob and not volt at all on the downward slope.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 28 Aug 2023, 15:45

nice leek)

very controversial opinion i know, but imo there should be a possibility to battle some of these levels. Many of the ones I have finished were really nice ffs and normal levels, so if one level is clearly finishable but maybe a bit hard, why not battle it for like 15-20 min?

I don't think there's any inherent advantage to some kuski that maaaybe barely remembers a 13 yo level that no one finished anyway)

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 28 Aug 2023, 20:19

Now, what is the total time of those 267.073 levels? Wondering how much time would it take to finish them all, if you were to equalize wr on first try. Obviously in reality there are many impsy long levels that would take hours of attempts, or even be impsy to finish for most of the players, like sierra world cup pipe lev.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 29 Aug 2023, 07:32

I added more unfinished levs for 1001-2000. Lots of pipes to try!

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 29 Aug 2023, 14:42

https://elma.online/r/86li3b290v/bc420Hsl

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 29 Aug 2023, 17:23

finished https://elma.online/levels/1392
https://elma.online/r/st0n5dl0k2/JOPAsukaHosp

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 29 Aug 2023, 17:42

finished https://elma.online/levels/1574
https://elma.online/r/yvyp6bfdo1/Train49Hosp

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 30 Aug 2023, 06:46

Hosp wrote: ↑29 Aug 2023, 14:42 https://elma.online/r/86li3b290v/bc420Hsl

Sorry for making so hard level

By the way, it was finished by 5 ppl back in 2009 when the Banana Cup competition was held.
https://harrinharmoniat.fi/zebra/BC420.txt
https://harrinharmoniat.fi/zebra/bananacup4.html

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 30 Aug 2023, 08:06

The level is overall pretty easy except for that one part.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 30 Aug 2023, 09:21

Pretty cool initiative and efforts) The sux thing about this in EOL is that there are loads and loads (and loads and loads) of unfinished iterations of levs from ppl testing in-game with unlocked levs :( can't say how many but many :/

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 30 Aug 2023, 13:55

zebra wrote: ↑30 Aug 2023, 06:46
Hosp wrote: ↑29 Aug 2023, 14:42 https://elma.online/r/86li3b290v/bc420Hsl
Sorry for making so hard level

By the way, it was finished by 5 ppl back in 2009 when the Banana Cup competition was held.
https://harrinharmoniat.fi/zebra/BC420.txt
https://harrinharmoniat.fi/zebra/bananacup4.html

Boneless' win rec which is also uploaded to elma.online has some easier styles than Hosp's. To me there are two annoyingly hard parts: the spin stones and the bottom right hang loop (although that might not be so hard with Hosp's style).

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 30 Aug 2023, 20:01

1001 - ali009.lev was pretty fun multi lev turned into single https://elma.online/r/5y4ktbcke3/ali009Orcc5683.

Also finished 1638 if someone wants to finish the longer version (1637), https://elma.online/r/irgh4ld1c7/wyJE1357Or25913

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 30 Aug 2023, 20:24

pawq wrote: ↑30 Aug 2023, 09:21 Pretty cool initiative and efforts) The sux thing about this in EOL is that there are loads and loads (and loads and loads) of unfinished iterations of levs from ppl testing in-game with unlocked levs can't say how many but many :/

322.180 unique level filenames of the 561.571 levels (57.4%)

Zweq wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023, 20:19 Now, what is the total time of those 267.073 levels? Wondering how much time would it take to finish them all, if you were to equalize wr on first try. Obviously in reality there are many impsy long levels that would take hours of attempts, or even be impsy to finish for most of the players, like sierra world cup pipe lev.

Total combined WR of all finished levels is 124 days 01:03:51.21 if my sql coding is correct, making the average about 40 seconds.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 31 Aug 2023, 09:29

Add a 10 minute penalty for each unfinished lev and total combined TT is ~5.9 years.

Orcc wrote: ↑30 Aug 2023, 20:01 ...if someone wants to finish the longer version (1637)

Done.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 10 Sep 2023, 17:13

Looks like you added another thousand, nice. There seems to be a lot of ez finishable levs.

From the previous ones I finished 1425 and earlier also 1187

ArZeNiK · Post by **ArZeNiK** » 10 Sep 2023, 23:05

ye, i helped with compiling 2000-3000, and already started on 3000-4000 but unfortunately been going slow these past few days, i wanna get to at least 5000 before college tho

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 11 Sep 2023, 08:34

Nice, Orcc. I have upgraded the list to a Google Sheet. See first post.
There are lots of easy pipes on the list now.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 09:20

Bis026 https://elma.online/levels/1994
https://elma.online/r/vpx9nguf7u/Bis026H
was in phonecall that's why some 20s break

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 09:44

https://elma.online/levels/2170
https://elma.online/r/oh1f6pgr8p/SeekFFbH

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 12 Sep 2023, 09:51

Cool! I beat a Bis lev too:
https://elma.online/r/wxccpebch4/Bis00DLee

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 13:15

Radi86 https://elma.online/levels/2238
https://elma.online/r/ybxnsfqd9p/Radi86H

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 13:22

SPEP04 https://elma.online/levels/2494
https://elma.online/r/jl5wcm3nxr/SPEP04H

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 18:20

https://elma.online/levels/2859
58.58
when trying to upload rec= level not found

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 18:25

https://elma.online/levels/3702 finishe

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 18:48

https://elma.online/levels/3719
https://elma.online/r/uyuw616fpv/noteasyHosp

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 12 Sep 2023, 19:12

https://elma.online/levels/2319
https://elma.online/r/9i04h73ihb/Fanu932H

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 13 Sep 2023, 13:03

Finished 2841 with 23:48,24. Every spot is an ez death spot. !lev 0

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 13 Sep 2023, 17:36

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 15 Sep 2023, 16:20

https://elma.online/levels/886
https://elma.online/r/runfga9uqs/FTkdv04Lee

roope · Post by **roope** » 16 Sep 2023, 13:41

https://elma.online/levels/2612
https://elma.online/r/u39dmz7pp7/mwff027roope

https://elma.online/levels/4056
https://elma.online/r/2owr357jt5/ahlp0046roope

https://elma.online/levels/3950
https://elma.online/r/t5tmsesrtu/hahehihyroope

https://elma.online/levels/2515
https://elma.online/r/cik5cy0d9a/kn80roope

https://elma.online/levels/4299
https://elma.online/r/bhfs4ncjc6/zrff081nroope

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 21 Sep 2023, 11:52

I have a new updated sheet with all unfinished levels. There is a cell at the top that generates a URL for a random level from the list. It updates hourly or when a related cell is updated. Atm the sheet is slow to load, especially with Firefox.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing