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Which WR do you think Is the best now/ever?

Post by oizo » 1 May 2003, 12:46

Best WR in #124: Apple Harvest
Best WR ever: mengerles old school Uphill Battle (21:67)
mengerle had it for 49 Tables and as I know.. no one have beaten it with old style.. Is it even possible? :)
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Post by Epsilon » 1 May 2003, 12:57

I guess you mean Old School Hill Legend, not Uphill battle...
Upjill battle doesn't have an old school
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Post by John » 1 May 2003, 13:01

Epsilon wrote:I guess you mean Old School Hill Legend, not Uphill battle...
Upjill battle doesn't have an old school
Yes it has...
Old school = "bounce" up to the higher part before uphill
New style = brutal volt up to the higher part before uphill
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Post by oizo » 1 May 2003, 13:17

actually you didnt bounce.. you just jumped.. much cooler :)
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Post by magicman » 1 May 2003, 15:22

Dmd's Labyrhinth/Warm Up are kinda gooodest :P

Toringes ZigZag, bet he can make it better also :)


-EDIT, maybe i forget about many wr's, but PSY's Applh! :)
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Post by Harald Hasch » 1 May 2003, 15:43

psy's Ah for sure.

maybe he's under 1:30:xx in some weeks 8O

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Post by John » 1 May 2003, 16:06

oizo wrote:actually you didnt bounce.. you just jumped.. much cooler :)
I know but I didnt found a word for it so I just used bounce... Jump is the word I meant.. :)
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Post by Zweq » 1 May 2003, 17:20

i'd say that impossibillisest wr is toringes loop de loop!
it can't be beaten i think. i have heard that he uses moporecs style
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Post by oizo » 1 May 2003, 20:08

magicman wrote:Dmd's Labyrhinth/Warm Up are kinda gooodest :P

Warm Up indeed, but labyrinth is not very good imo, with a good bounce you get much speed and then you can drive insane times.
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Post by Luther » 1 May 2003, 21:09

islands wr is absolutely insane!

Thats for sure,...

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Post by Sprocket » 3 May 2003, 08:53

All time best record: Joni's Upside Down.

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Post by Karlis » 3 May 2003, 11:43

I agree with that joni's upside


of current wrs warm up looks so unbeatable, Apple harvest isnt that good yet cos psy can improve all the time so it cant be perfect yet

I wonder if anybody will ever improve warm up again
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Post by Antz » 3 May 2003, 11:54

warm up ez under 14 in no time, just need to find the 1 sec faster style.

i dunno really what's the most incredible wr but pajen has has 48 wr for long time now so it's pretty good i guess
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Post by partybear » 3 May 2003, 13:25

ye downhill is a nice wr
pajen has had it for 50 tables (since #075)
and its the forth oldest wr
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Post by 2fast » 3 May 2003, 13:31

I think psy`s record on AH is the best

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Post by MagnusB » 3 May 2003, 15:26

Lotsof people say that Downhill actually isn't that good.
Joni's Upside Down was a great style, but not very höyled.
psy's AH can't be the best, since he keeps improving it all the time. He has said himself that under 1.30 would be good.

Loop-de-Loop looks pretty insane to me.

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Post by oizo » 3 May 2003, 20:43

MagnusB wrote:Lotsof people say that Downhill actually isn't that good.

Who says ?
Im quite sure that those people havent seen the rec as Im pretty sure Its not spread.. I have seen the rec and I think its a very good rec.
And just the fact that the Wr has been up for 50 tables talks for it self I think, but Its just my opinion :)
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Post by oizo » 3 May 2003, 22:07

BarTek wrote:just a correction:

upphil older style: just drive and jump up
upphil old style: make extra volts and then jump up
upphil new style: brutal vult
just a correction of the correction:

its uphill,uphill and uphill 8)
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Post by MagnusB » 3 May 2003, 22:38

oizo wrote:Who says ?
Im quite sure that those people havent seen the rec as Im pretty sure Its not spread.. I have seen the rec and I think its a very good rec.
And just the fact that the Wr has been up for 50 tables talks for it self I think, but Its just my opinion :)
Let me rephrase: They say that it can be improved, which is the same as saying it's not good enough, which is almost the same as saying that it's bad.
All wr recs are good, of course. There's no such thing as a bad world record, only less good world records.

Nostrada had 39.1x (?), I think he said that his rec had a bad end.

[00:26:00] <vn> at least downhill WR is bad
[00:26:02] <vn> I have see n48 rec
[00:26:05] <ciphEM> :O
[00:26:08] <vn> easy 2 seconds
[00:26:13] <ciphEM> whats n48.rec?
[00:26:19] <vn> nostra
[00:27:07] <vn> seen 48 rec
[00:27:18] <vn> 49.xx currently wr
[00:27:31] <ciphEM> 48,xx time!?
[00:27:35] <ciphEM> i dont get it
[00:27:38] <vn> yes
[00:27:46] <ciphEM> why it not wr...nost?
[00:27:56] <vn> ....didn't I just say? :o
[00:28:02] <vn> "nostra"
[00:28:11] <ciphEM> oh ya

[21:40:18] <Nostrada> uhm, it's one of teh ezest wr's
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[21:40:28] <Karlis> what legv
[21:40:35] <Nostrada> downhill
[21:40:55] * Stag has joined #across
[21:40:57] <Nostrada> my :1x wasn't even with the fastest pajen style
[21:41:52] <Jalli_EMA> publish :P
[21:41:58] <Nostrada> i HAVE
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[21:44:38] <Nostrada> it's EZ 48 for those who have höyled downhill


In conclusion: Downhill is good, but not best.

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Post by oizo » 4 May 2003, 00:25

MagnusB wrote: They say that it can be improved, which is the same as saying it's not good enough, which is almost the same as saying that it's bad
I see your point, and I agree.. but I have to respond when you say that a improvable wr is almost the same as a bad one.

Look at Pipe, pipe wr is very easy to beat.. if you fix the new style, that no one has.. because its so damn hard, and the fact that downhill wr has been up for 50 tables must say that downhill is a very hard map to take wr on to.. not because of the fact that pajens wr is perfectly driven in anyway, but just the fact that the lev must be very hard to drive fast.. or might just that no one plays it.. though, I really think people plays it as much as other levels.
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Post by MagnusB » 4 May 2003, 00:41

New style on Pipe? I must've missed that.

Anyways.
My point is not that any wr that can be improved is bad, but rather that a wr that you can very clearly tell can be improved, is "bad".
It's a fact that Downhill actually has been beaten, and like I said, Nostrada had a bad end. So bad that he could have gotten under 49.
When we can clerly tell that a wr can be improved almost half a second, it can not be the best wr. It can be the sickest style, the sickest run, but it's not höyled enough.

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Post by Antz » 4 May 2003, 07:51

magnus he meant the bounce in the start abula posted @new styles topic.

i've talked with nostrada about 48:

[21:51:02] <antz[Q]> didn't u have better 48 wr than pajen? how much was it better and how much of it was cheated or could u have gotten wr without cheating?
[21:52:13] <NostGone> answers: i had, 2x better approx, none cheated, says itself, also, i used WORSE style than pajen, 48, or maybe even 47 is possible

suppose no1's just hoyled it enough.
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Post by magicman » 4 May 2003, 12:47

And i.... have talked too Elbono, he said he missed 48 atleast it wwas very possible :) and that was ages ago so it gotha be a new style also :)
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Post by oizo » 4 May 2003, 19:01

I thought Nostrada cheated all WRS?
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Post by MagnusB » 4 May 2003, 19:09

Yes, but that's not the point.
The timescale cheat that he used doesn't make it possible to do anything that's not possible without the cheat (well, in actuality it probably does), it just makes it a lot easier to play. Everything Nostrada has done can also be done without the cheat.

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Post by oizo » 4 May 2003, 19:18

lol.. thats a terrible exempla, "everything He did can be done".. ye but thats not the point at all.. Its still a very lousy exempla.. a cheated WR, dont even bring it up.. If downhill would be a very bad and ez wr someone should have taken it long time ago. End of story :)

And just for the record, I really dont think Downhill is one of the top10 WR's.. but I really dont think its bad
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Post by MagnusB » 4 May 2003, 19:30

oizo wrote:lol.. thats a terrible exempla, "everything He did can be done".. ye but thats not the point at all.. Its still a very lousy exempla.. a cheated WR, dont even bring it up..
What are you talking about now? This is not an example, it's a fact. If it's possible to do something once in elma, it's possible to do it again.
I have the rec (Nostrada released it), and it's a very possible run. It's brilliant, sure, but it's definitely possible to copy without cheats (I'm not saying that I could do it).
oizo wrote:If downhill would be a very bad and ez wr someone should have taken it long time ago. End of story :)
When did I ever say that Downhill was very bad and easy to take? I said that it was possible to take, and therefore not good enough. Just forget that stuff I said about a not perfect wr being a bad wr, that's not what I meant.
Why no-one has taken the wr yet, I have no idea. I'm just saying that it's possible, and a lot of people seem to agree with me.
oizo wrote:And just for the record, I really dont think Downhill is one of the top10 WR's.. but I really dont think its bad
I can see here that we actually agree, so let's just drop the subject. Downhill is not a bad wr, but because it's not höyled enough it's not one of the best.

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Post by oizo » 4 May 2003, 21:37

np mate, lets drop it.. and make some luuv 8O
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Post by rad » 4 May 2003, 22:53

kimi spiral was best and now cloud spiral is even besterer, imo

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Post by dz » 11 May 2003, 00:43

one of the best wrs now is animal farm. omg how is it possibel?!?

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Post by Karlis » 11 May 2003, 01:46

maybe radim could spread that animal wr rec too like he spread kimi's spiral wr rec "it was too hard to break without rec so I spread0r it"

well, animal farm is a bit mystery........but some day, after seeing the style we'll say.....ez wr
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Post by Antz » 11 May 2003, 06:20

well howabaout with the start posted in the new styles thread?
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Post by oizo » 12 May 2003, 00:06

Antz wrote:well howabaout with the start posted in the new styles thread?
havent seen and don't find.. give me link/mirror please
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Post by Antz » 12 May 2003, 04:44

since i can't find it either from the thread it was probably posted on #across.

well here anyway. if someone recognises this is his (i wont bother go through all that log) take the credit.
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Post by SveinR » 12 May 2003, 16:55

Do you mean this?
Thomas wrote:Here's a 1-2 seconds faster start on Animal Farm:

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~thomb/31start.rec

It seems hard to jump far enough to the left, but it would surprise me if it was impossible

I actually made this one accidentally, I still haven't finished the level with the moporec style. (I have only gotten over the rooster's head three times, this was one of them and I really screwed it up )
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Post by Phillip » 13 May 2003, 20:41

Antz wrote:well howabaout with the start posted in the new styles thread?
Actually, as far as I know, the world record is driven without that fast start. So if someone could do it, at least 1.16.XX is possible 8O

Anyway, would'nt it be boring if all the WR-styles were known? Now we can all sit around and wonder about these mysterious styles :wink:

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Post by 8-ball » 18 May 2003, 13:11

zomg how dumb i was
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Post by xp » 27 May 2003, 19:32

Zweq's uphill WR is imposible to beat... :oops:

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Post by Zweq » 14 Jun 2003, 22:35

have you guys seen new wr in steppes!?!?
11:60 by mr.
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Post by John » 14 Jun 2003, 22:47

Zweq wrote:have you guys seen new wr in steppes!?!?
11:60 by mr.
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Post by Lakimies » 15 Jun 2003, 09:17

i think that if you make zyntifox end or take flower with head, 11.30-11.40 is possible

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Post by Jeppe » 28 Jun 2003, 07:44

hmm...no WR is impossible.Every wr can be beaten by a insane tor guy who HöyLz 24/7 but the wr that would take longest to beat must be warm up if your not really lucky like elbono :D

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Post by onlainari » 28 Jun 2003, 16:00

1.Impossible to say what is hardest to break if u dont know all the styles for all wr's.
U need to know them all and have hoyled them all to know personally how hard they are. But if u take it in account whether u have the style or not,then of course those are hardest for u that u dont have the exact style. Then I would say that to the most people, Apple Harvest must be the hardest to break.

2.Whats the WR that will last on the table the longest. Then its not apple harvest maybe,because 1 kuski with ability to go for WR on it, is enough,and this case the probability that psy makes another record on it, is bigger than new wr on some other levels.
I just guess and say Warm Up,because everyone knows the style and the current WR has stayed on the table pretty long period. Although it seems there is a small warm up boom among elmers,but if this boom doesnt produce a wr from someone,then warm up wr by darm grows stronger :-)

3. the most impressing WR now and in the past. Yehh..need to have seen all the WR recs to be certain on this one. The WR can be most impressing even if it can be beaten ,like apple harvest. I havent seen it! But it looks like its very impressing,but as the level is long and hoylable from pixel to pixel it can be beaten i guess. And the recs i have seen the uphill battle by mengerle with old style was impressing.

Maybe there are now some WR on the table that has a hidden status that will reveal as the time goes on, meaning that some of the current tables not so well known WR will stay there and stay and stay. ...

Guys with 38.xx and 39.xx totaltimes are in the elite of examining the WRs sicknesses and comparing them,but thats my point of view with lame philosophy.

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nice!

Post by Jeppe » 4 Jul 2003, 23:43

so nice and CooL post Onlainari.U sure know about this.I agree with everything u sayed. :)

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Post by dz » 10 Jul 2003, 22:37

every wr will be taken over at least three times so none of them are that good, if you think of it. (yes, even warm up ;))

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Post by oizo » 13 Jul 2003, 14:10

I dont agree with you their dz.. I dont think every wr will be taken 3 times more, I think at least 10 wrs wont at least.. but who knows =)
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Post by Abula » 13 Jul 2003, 18:35

oizo: list those 10 WRs.
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Post by Raven » 19 Dec 2005, 13:43

karlis's warm up
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Post by berhabdul » 19 Dec 2005, 13:49

yeah, karlis`

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Post by culinko » 19 Dec 2005, 16:08

zweq's bumpy...WR is soooo long on teh wr table

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