Replays sharing

Post by **SveinR** » 6 Jan 2005, 21:32

tijsjoris wrote:hm. Don't think so.

I'm pretty certain they are, ie that Balazs never intended the bounces to be in the game.

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 6 Jan 2005, 21:42

I dont think he intended for ppl to go over the pole in the steppes either...

Post by **SveinR** » 6 Jan 2005, 22:11

Dynamo wrote:I dont think he intended for ppl to go over the pole in the steppes either...

No, he didn't, but that doesn't have anything to do with his intent of the physics of the game.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 7 Jan 2005, 03:14

I don't think you should call things that Balazs didn't intended as a move should then directly called a bug then! He made the physics like that it was possible to have bouncy effects from wheel compression. He intended that. A bounce you get when you brake is a very concentrated on one point bouncy wheel effect. Balazs didn't foresee that this move would be invented, and didn't think of it as a move itself most likely indeed. But for pete's sake should we call it a bug then? I still don't think so.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 7 Jan 2005, 11:58

tijsjoris wrote:I don't think you should call things that Balazs didn't intended as a move should then directly called a bug then! He made the physics like that it was possible to have bouncy effects from wheel compression. He intended that. A bounce you get when you brake is a very concentrated on one point bouncy wheel effect. Balazs didn't foresee that this move would be invented, and didn't think of it as a move itself most likely indeed. But for pete's sake should we call it a bug then? I still don't think so.

it has no bouncy effect
it's just numerical bug

Phillip · Post by **Phillip** » 7 Jan 2005, 13:08

It's some kind of overflow, right? Or is there an error in the way friction is handled too? (I mean not a numerical bug, just a logical programming error)

And what's the current definition of a "legal" bounce? I'm curious of how you measure it, because I have a reasonable suggestion myself how to decide if a bounce should be legal

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 7 Jan 2005, 13:22

Phillip wrote:It's some kind of overflow, right? Or is there an error in the way friction is handled too? (I mean not a numerical bug, just a logical programming error)

And what's the current definition of a "legal" bounce? I'm curious of how you measure it, because I have a reasonable suggestion myself how to decide if a bounce should be legal

i had some reasonable suggestions, they usually work for big bounces but might show not very good values at hard-to-say replays

bounce is numerical bug of numerical solved diferencial equations with non-liear parts (function of brake effect depended on distance from wall is non-linear (it has if-then) = different in air and on the ground)

psteve · Post by **psteve** » 7 Jan 2005, 13:25

I was told that a bug is something that u didnt expect to be in the program

1. Bounces are therefore bugs.
2. Doesn't mean all bounces are illegal.

The formal definition of whether a bounce is legal or not would be the same as this casual definition:

"if it is greater bug bounce than Stini enigma; illegal"

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 7 Jan 2005, 13:51

I always thought a bug bounce happened if u saw the animations of the game speed up rather than stay the same prior to the bounce...bug bounces always have that look about them that make it seem that the bike is going faster when it left the ground more than it should...in other words, bugs can be determined by the naked eye...it's not that complicated

dz · Post by dz » 7 Jan 2005, 14:14

milagros wrote: i had some reasonable suggestions, they usually work for big bounces but might show not very good values at hard-to-say replays

bounce is numerical bug of numerical solved diferencial equations with non-liear parts (function of brake effect depended on distance from wall is non-linear (it has if-then) = different in air and on the ground)

Can you give any idea how difficult it would actually be to fix the bug? Just for curiousity..

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 7 Jan 2005, 15:41

dz wrote:
milagros wrote: i had some reasonable suggestions, they usually work for big bounces but might show not very good values at hard-to-say replays

bounce is numerical bug of numerical solved diferencial equations with non-liear parts (function of brake effect depended on distance from wall is non-linear (it has if-then) = different in air and on the ground)
Can you give any idea how difficult it would actually be to fix the bug? Just for curiousity..

it's impossible
diferencial eqautions are unstable (and we can't do anything about it)

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 7 Jan 2005, 15:44

i'm programming some physics lately for diploma project and there are some problems like this (the problem is when you don't want objects to get to each other and they have high reltive speed and you don't have sample period low enough)

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 7 Jan 2005, 16:44

milagros wrote:diferencial eqautions are unstable (and we can't do anything about it)

what the hell does this mean. is it like some amiguous programming speak? in purely mathematical terms i don't see how differential equations are 'unstable'. i'm not insulting just curious

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 7 Jan 2005, 17:04

its purely mathematical term

Post by **SveinR** » 7 Jan 2005, 17:17

As this is the replay sharing thread, I think it might be time to continue discussion on 'normal bounce vs bug bounce' in this original thread:
http://www.moposite.com/mopolauta/viewtopic.php?t=1601

What's interesting is Abula's comment there (it's 1,5 years ago so he might have changed positions now):

Abula wrote:Yes, if you get some bounce many times (mm, over 3..?) it should be accepted I think.

As Stini has gotten the Pipe bounce a number of times, with this view, it should be accepted.

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 10 Jan 2005, 00:00

1:02:18 on Serpents Tale, normal route

Flyrre · Post by **Flyrre** » 10 Jan 2005, 14:50

ramone wrote:1:02:18 on Serpents Tale, normal route

So sweet hang and otherwise very smooth run. Very nice rec

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 10 Jan 2005, 15:22

ramone wrote:1:02:18 on Serpents Tale, normal route

such omfg sick0r 2tmz. just so impossible, those 2nd and 3rd hangs.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 10 Jan 2005, 16:36

Bartek, you make me very happy with those

dz · Post by dz » 10 Jan 2005, 18:24

ramone, very nice rec especially last hang!

bartek, very cools recs!

dz · Post by dz » 10 Jan 2005, 18:41

lol, actually i was about to comment yours only but i couldn't leave ramones rec without a praise

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 12 Jan 2005, 03:41

omg zweq giving more donations :*

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 12 Jan 2005, 10:17

I know the replay has been out for a while but all i gotta say is zweg's serpents tail replay was the crazyiest mofo replay i think i have ever seen. I can't imagine what he was thinking after he saw the time 52,44. i woulda been like hell ya!.

kinghias · Post by **kinghias** » 12 Jan 2005, 14:05

whoa that 59:3x serpents rec is soo nice (the others too of course)

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 12 Jan 2005, 17:33

Check out this mad wheel compress

http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/Dynamo06.lev
http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/Mad.rec

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 12 Jan 2005, 20:50

very sick compression dynamo. your body is almost full out past ur wheel

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 28 Jan 2005, 14:01

Got an insane bug bounce on 8ba28.lev "Crazeness" and by total luck hit flower too

Lev
Rec

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 29 Jan 2005, 01:41

I think Stini would succeed in that bounce with 8/10 tries... But I guess your time is a record

kinghias · Post by **kinghias** » 29 Jan 2005, 14:31

cool lev, got 11:01 with a funny style, here is the rec

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 30 Jan 2005, 00:38

I was skimming over some old external levels and found my 'nemesis' level...well the start at least.
Back when I used to play elma for fun (like 2 years ago), I played this lev and just couldn't get through the start...not nemore...I got my revenge!

Lev: http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/radi20.lev
Rec: http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/Revenge.rec

The end is kinda crapola and I've had quicker starts but w/e...enjoy

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 31 Jan 2005, 17:50

hehe, fun level =)

Got a little better time, than you. But that was just because of the finish:

http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/Rad20Boo.rec

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 12 Feb 2005, 15:31

I wonder if anyone has a replay with a bug bounce to the roof, but then with the gravity upside down, so you fly towards the floor.

Does anyone occur to have such?

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 12 Feb 2005, 16:04

http://mxb.dk/upload2/12juju.rec

My multi record on islands is 12.99 (yeah i got n00b friends) this rec i did all alone and did 13.04 ez improv later.

dunedan · Post by **dunedan** » 12 Feb 2005, 17:36

laugh at me plz. liek i do now

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 12 Feb 2005, 17:43

dunedan wrote:Maybe this style is old but i came up with it like 10 minutes ago. Maybe it can help somebody.

http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/02001802.rec

dunedan · Post by **dunedan** » 12 Feb 2005, 18:08

milagros wrote:
dunedan wrote:Maybe this style is old but i came up with it like 10 minutes ago. Maybe it can help somebody.

http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/02001802.rec

Ok, I know its VEERY slow but i cant come up with a faster non wrstyle. okiz?

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 12 Feb 2005, 18:26

dunedan wrote:
milagros wrote:
dunedan wrote:Maybe this style is old but i came up with it like 10 minutes ago. Maybe it can help somebody.

http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/02001802.rec

Ok, I know its VEERY slow but i cant come up with a faster non wrstyle. okiz?

If any style, this is more used then WR style.

dunedan · Post by **dunedan** » 12 Feb 2005, 18:37

ok. i did it again. fakk.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 12 Feb 2005, 19:07

dunedan wrote:ok. i did it again. fakk.

chcek moposite/replays/old wrs
there is nice 16.high style for you, same as you used

CaeZar · Post by **CaeZar** » 15 Feb 2005, 00:35

I want that TorInge make a .zip with his 4 or 5 best recs

Like Zweq did (and darm)

That would be really gr8!

kinghias · Post by **kinghias** » 15 Feb 2005, 00:47

yea that'd be cool but i'd prefer him making a .zip with his best 54 recs or so

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 19 Feb 2005, 02:38

my okay curva rec and my 45+ records: framework and what the heck

http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/38Dynamo.rec
http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/41Dynamo.rec
http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/49Dynamo.rec

Enjoy...it's my best lolz

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 19 Feb 2005, 10:09

Nice recs, Dynamo!

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 19 Feb 2005, 13:30

woot yes good shit.. that Framework actually looked quite ez

dz · Post by dz » 19 Feb 2005, 14:54

Really cool recs Dynamo!

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 19 Feb 2005, 23:43

thx guys....i really hope everyone else follows this trend...how bout it?

Ur 3 best internal recs...lets start something here...ne volunteers?

infected · Post by **infected** » 20 Feb 2005, 00:12

if someone is interested in +45wr's rec you can get my 14.11 on warm up and 21.54 on islands here :>
http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/infec01.rec
http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/infec12.rec

Jarkko · Post by **Jarkko** » 20 Feb 2005, 00:34

here's my loop and curva 45+ & 50+ wr's

http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/14jarkko.rec
http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/38jarkko.rec

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 20 Feb 2005, 12:12

Here is 2 recs, driven by me:

Uphill Battle: 21,08 http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/05BooM.rec (45+ WR. Haven't sent in yet, though.)

Hang Tight: 25,64 http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/52BooM.rec (Was the 45+ WR, until Juski took it.)

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 20 Feb 2005, 19:51

I will upload these to my site ofcourse. And boomer, send in you lazy crap.