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44. Freefall

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44. Freefall (QWQUU044)
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WR in table #1:
Current World Top 10:
1. mr [FM] Finnish 11,46 2008-10-06
2. milagros [SET] Slovak 11,46 2013-01-01
3. Zweq [WNO] Finnish 11,50 2011-12-11
4. Bokhylle [OoK!] Norwegian 11,53 2004-05-30
5. Ded [SPEED] Czech 11,53 2009-07-13
6. Nicolas Russian 11,54 2005-10-30
7. proDigy Russian 11,55 2005-05-29
8. jaytea American 11,59 2005-04-04
9. NaDiRu Russian 11,59 2007-06-17
10. Mielz Polish 11,60 2011-06-09

[Facts]
Number of apples: 1
Number of WR improvements: 39
Number of different WR-holders: 15
First appeared in: v 1.x

[Style history / WR history]
1. umiz [SAT] Swedish 0:34,27 #1
2. onlainari Finnish 0:34,23 #2
3. Joni [t98] Finnish 0:33,95 #3
4. 3 Litre [PRA] Swedish 0:33,94 #4
5. Joni [t98] Finnish 0:33,71 #6
6. Tier [aaf] Australian 0:33,65 #11
7. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:18,60 #33
First WR made by jumping straight to the apple. Biggest relative improvement in Elma history.
8. Elbono [SSC] Swedish 0:17,54 #34
9. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:17,20 #35
10. MGen [TEA] Hungarian 0:15,95 #42
11. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:15,50 #45
12. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:15,39 #47
13. MGen [TEA] Hungarian 0:15,36 #63
14. MGen [TEA] Hungarian 0:15,34 #67
15. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:15,32 #68
16. milagros [SET] Slovak 0:12,97 #83
milagros was the first one to make a WR by falling directly down the apple polygon before going back to the flower.
17. milagros [SET] Slovak 0:12,44 #84
18. milagros [SET] Slovak 0:12,39 #85
19. milagros [SET] Slovak 0:12,37 #86
20. milagros [SET] Slovak 0:12,34 #87
21. milagros [SET] Slovak 0:12,33 #88
22. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:12,24 #97
23. Buci [ESP] Hungarian 0:12,23 #134
Buci used a slightly different start style.
24. Buci [ESP] Hungarian 0:12,17 #136
25. Bokhylle [OoK!] Norwegian 0:12,16 #137
26. Zweq [WNO] Finnish 0:12,03 #138
27. John [WNO] Swedish 0:11,93 #139
28. Zweq [WNO] Finnish 0:11,88 #140
29. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:11,87 #142
30. Zweq [WNO] Finnish 0:11,80 #143
31. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:11,74 #145
32. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:11,68 #146
33. xp [WNO] Norwegian 0:11,64 #150
34. xp [WNO] Norwegian 0:11,63 #151
35. Karlis [FM] Finnish 0:11,61 #154
36. Bokhylle [OoK!] Norwegian 0:11,53 #175
37. mr [FM] Finnish 0:11,50 #289
38. mr [FM] Finnish 0:11,48 #290
39. mr [FM] Finnish 0:11,46 #291

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[Tutorials / Hints / Notes]
Mats 11,56, about FPS. wrote:All my best times was made with 42 :P . The big difference was the grip on the hang. For some reason 42 just felt perfect for me. Anyway it can't be the same for each computer, but 40-60 is my advice.
bamilan wrote:I used 31fps for .56(.91 apple), 36 and 42 to the .58s(5.96-5.99 apples), 42 for .59(6.02 apple). Best with max(around 800fps) is .61 so far.
Ben3eee's video about the road to 11.41 WR. Also displays a new kind of wheelpop-style.

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Re: 44. Freefall

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What FPS should I use? Madness said somewhere that 75 is best, but Zweq said that that 30 is always best if there's no need for higher FPS for some trick.
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I actually fps hoyled this lev pretty much, trying 999, 200,100, 75, 45-30. My experience was easier grip with as low as possible. 30 was to low and inconstant. hoyled 45 for a day and one day for each fps, down to 40.
All my best times was made with 42 :P . The big difference was the grip on the hang. For some reason 42 just felt perfect for me. Anyway it can't be the same for each computer, but 40-60 is my advice. All below 40 turned into a mess for me, harder to see when it gets to blurry, and grip seemed more random. whenever you change fps, you have to get used to new key-press timing, so use what fits your fingers the best ;) . Full fps is also possible, but things goes kinda slower.

Top list should be updated: bamilan [ngt] 00:11,56 2013-02-04
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wow, very interesting insights, thanks for sharing! :)
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Re: 44. Freefall

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yaeh under 11.60 with 999fps has to be a really good ride. I think 30 fps is the best, or at least as near to 30 as possible. If it's really 40-45 then that's pretty interesting because i used around that for both oau and serp. 40ish fps seems a nice compromise between the unplayable but uberfast 30 fps and playable 60fps
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Re: 44. Freefall

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Feel like floating instead of driving with 30 fps :P
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Re: 44. Freefall

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I used 31fps for .56(.91 apple), 36 and 42 to the .58s(5.96-5.99 apples), 42 for .59(6.02 apple). Best with max(around 800fps) is .61 so far.
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Re: 44. Freefall

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thx for helping me with the lev :)
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Re: 44. Freefall

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bug report: my time is 11.72

Level 44, Freefall:
00:11:72 Mats
00:11:72 Mats
00:11:72 Mats
00:11:73 Mats
00:11:75 Mats
00:11:76 Mats
00:11:76 Mats
00:11:76 Mats
00:11:77 Mats
00:11:77 Mats

Also fun fact, there is glitch spot where wheel easily goes through ground. see replays
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Mats wrote:Also fun fact, there is glitch spot where wheel easily goes through ground. see replays
I once managed to get both wheels inside. Used some ~30 FPS.
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Re: 44. Freefall

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Nice, should make lev with flower there
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Re: 44. Freefall

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Zweq wrote:I think 30 fps is the best, or at least as near to 30 as possible.
I used 31 fps. I have had decent runs (.5low) with fpses up to 120. So somewhere around 30-120 probably normal for just pring.
In the end I found everything to be incosistent with anything other than 31 fps, but this is most likely due to the fact that I spent many hours playing this level with 31 fps.
All the replays I shared are driven with 31 fps, I only did fps testing offline and didnt share any of my offline/sl replays. My sl pr is 11:47 or 11:48 so its nothing worth watching anyway.

There is one flaw in all of my replays that I shared that pro mans probably can spot, atleast Madness and Finman did. I knew about this before I shared the recs and after I drove wr. It's probably like 0.01 or 0.02 faster.

The multi wr I drove is quite bad and should be easy to beat, my best appletime using normal volts is .80. With some slight change of moves and volting and it shouldn't be hard at all.
Took me like 10 minutes to drive .78 after I realized how.

permakopasitelink to current wr rec: http://kopasite.net/up/0/44be1145.rec

Edit: Tried some for a while with 42 fps. Like 100 times playable and some 11:47 was not hard, but never survived crazy fast starts only nab starts.
Did 11:46 sl and 11:47 live with this, sl rec has a very slighty different move in start (Unnoticable unless know level probably) that is most likely slower. Can up recs with 42 fps if anyone is interested.
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Re: 44. Freefall

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Hoyling paid off. Ben3eee's freefall video now in the top post. Notice the wheelpop in the faster replays. Feel free to write a few lines here bene (prev post is 1 year old) for future generations to read about fps, wheelpops and stuff!
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