TT battles

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 26 Sep 2004, 20:12

Ok i think elma ppl is ready for the next battle revolution: TT battle.

Shortly: TT battle = level pack battle

The idea is simple: You have a level pack instead of just one lev.
Instead of writing the level times, in TT battle you write only
the Total Time of all the battle levs to the irc channel.

Maybe this kind of battle have been played before,
but at least it's new for most of ppl.

I'll arrange the first TT battle in irc at channel #TTbattle on tuesday 28.9.2004 at 21.00 EET (GMT + 2)

I have 55 nice little levs there, the total time about 8 mins.

I have not decided the battle duration yet, maybe it's 1 hour 30 mins or something, isn't that enough?

I think ppl could announce in this thread if they are going to keep an TT
battle because it is kinda hard job to do all the levs.

Tell me if you have any improvement propositions.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 26 Sep 2004, 21:50

Official TT battle rules:
(note: these rules apply only to my TT battles, but they can be used in others' level designers battles too)

1. Basic battle rules (don't flood, no bug times etc.) (see http://moposite.com/mopolauta/viewtopic.php?t=2073

2. Replay saving: If you are a professional player (internal TT under 45 mins) save all your recs. For other players: save only your best recs. In other cases, use your common sense when saving; i'm not going to ask all your recs, but i think everyone wants to see the best recs at the end, so if you think 'this might be the best time' then save it.

3. You can say your individual level times and chat during the battle before the last 10 minutes begin.

4. Last 10 min rule: You have to say your TT in last 10 minutes. I won't seek all the TTs from the 2 hour long log file where is maybe all your old TTs and individual level times all mixed. In last 10 minutes, do not say your individual level times.

5. Another 10 min rule: You have to upload your stats.txt -file in next 10 minutes after the battle has ended. I don't mean the internal stats.txt but the stats.txt -kind of file where there are your battle times. You can do this with Elma 1.2 or LevStats (see http://www.moposite.com/programs/lev_stats.zip). Afterwards i'll merge the times with my mergestats.exe -program ( see http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/elma.html ). If you are not going to make and upload a stats.txt file, don't bother to battle. I'm sorry about this but nobody will check manually all your times.

6. Replay uploading: Everyone uploads himself his best recs and writes the URL to the irc channel.

7. Winner is the one who has best TT, not the one who has most best times.

8. If you join the channel (#TTbattle) when battle is already going, you can battle but of course you have less time that others.

9. If you don't finish all the levs, that doesn't matter, the program will add 10 minutes to each lev you haven't finished. In that case, don't wait too high position

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10. Battle duration will be always from 30 minutes to 3 hours depending on the levs.

11. There will be 5 - 100 levs in each TT battle. The levs will be zipped so they can be downloaded easily (I think if you have less than 5 levs it's no longer a TT battle, you can battle them in #battle instead).

12. The results can be announced here, but not necessarily.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 27 Sep 2004, 06:14

I have done it with Mulle, and it is grea fun alright =)

Zox · Post by **Zox** » 27 Sep 2004, 08:35

Sounds great, I will be there..

aavv · Post by **aavv** » 27 Sep 2004, 13:43

i'll be there too, if i am home at that time

KickZ · Post by **KickZ** » 27 Sep 2004, 14:52

sound coal, i`ll see if i can manage to be there....

ToTaL · Post by **ToTaL** » 28 Sep 2004, 14:57

I think that 55 levs for 1.30h is a bit much, maybe limit it to 20 and do 3 TT-battles instead.

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 28 Sep 2004, 15:37

i think 2h 30 min is good for 55 levs or something
maybe 3h

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 28 Sep 2004, 15:55

Only very few would play if it takes more than 1-1Â½ hour, I think.

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 28 Sep 2004, 16:01

Only very few would plat until the end of it takes mor then ca 1Â½h

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 28 Sep 2004, 16:16

BarTek wrote:Zebra: heres a good hint

- 10 short hoyla levs
- 1,5 hour battles

since its the first time, and its what most ppl have energy for in big battle like this i suggest something like that. That is what we used and its just the perfect time for 10 levels. You get to hoyl all to the max, but still wont make it boring and long lasting.

that formula rocks, and it worked very good last time *

Ok, in future i'll do less and longer levs.
At this time those levs are very short, i'm sure you have enough
time to hÃ¶yl all of them. Maybe they are even too short, let's see.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 28 Sep 2004, 20:41

BarT: That's great levels. I play them quite often...

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 28 Sep 2004, 21:06

najs battle it was.
3 Wrs YAY.
cant wait for next one.

onlainari · Post by **onlainari** » 28 Sep 2004, 21:15

yea niec battlor!!!

I was 8 out of 16! total mediumcore! and 1 WR!

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 28 Sep 2004, 22:06

ok, the first TT battle was a success: ppl liked the levs
and almost everyone finished every level.

Here are the total times:

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Pos.  Player      Total Time  Levels finished	
1.    Zamppe      7:32,10     all	
2.    axxu        7:52,66     all	
3.    zebra       7:58,27     all	
4.    John        8:10,91     all	
5.    Orcc        8:10,97     all	
6.    juish       8:11,83     all	
7.    Zox         8:18,47     all	
8.    8ball       8:20,76     all	
9.    onliZ       8:21,48     all	
10.   xp          8:24,82     all	
11.   veezay      8:31,93     all	
12.   yoosef      8:51,08     all	
13.   ToTaL       8:58,10     all	
14.   Cfilorvy    8:59,36     all	
15.   aavv        9:06,77     all	
16.   Juski       9:30,61     all	
17.   daniel      9:35,31     all	
18.   ZeroCool    29:14,62    53

The levs are here (if you want to hÃ¶yl a little)
http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/Toki.zip

I thank all of people who were playing the battle.
Here you can find all the recs and more detailed results:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/Tokiresults.zip

I know there are 4 recs missing and some wrong replays,
but don't mind.

danielj and jonsta have promised to keep
the next TT battles, let's see what happens there.

onlainari · Post by **onlainari** » 28 Sep 2004, 22:29

oops I was 9 / 18, well well anyway.

impressionz: positively surprised of how this worked out. 1h 30minutes was right about the exactly good time to hoyl 8minutes totaltime, at least in 55 levels. Maybe what I could want to try is : less levels , longer levels.
THOUGH, if similar ttbattle is held, I would take part of course, these small levels were fine too! But maybe someday this: 20-30 levels and the levels are approximately 20-30seconds long and none of them would be a trouble maker level (hard level or irritating shortcut) Zebras levs didn't have much irritating parts and that was good thing. But in my opinion ,having the battle to last 2hours or more would be a bit boring. 1h 30minutes is a good time. Maybe even a shorter totaltime battle like 1h battle with 20 levs ~20 seconds each or something

+ zebra had those coal programs to merge and calculate the results and we really didn't have to wait like more than 10minutes to get all the cool results etc..

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 28 Sep 2004, 22:32

Zebra, my nick is Zweq i think

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 28 Sep 2004, 23:00

Zweq wrote:Zebra, my nick is Zweq i think

Your nick in your stats was Zamppe, i didn't change that.
It would have been very easy to change your name too
but you didn't mentioned and i didn't notice that.
I think everyone knows zamppe means the same as zweq.

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 29 Sep 2004, 12:41

there were one stupid shortcut on 48 that only some made and had an advantage

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 29 Sep 2004, 15:29

well they made the shortcut so they earn that advantage :/

Behk · Post by **Behk** » 29 Sep 2004, 15:57

Why didnt my TT got in the stats Zebra, I said my time in #TTBattle?

Plz tell me, I got 08:37,xx

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 29 Sep 2004, 16:07

perhaps you didnt upload your stats

Behk · Post by **Behk** » 29 Sep 2004, 19:04

Zebra told me why now and I didnt knew that (uploading stats)

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 5 Oct 2004, 21:55

I and jonsta will have arrange the next TT battle on sunday 10.10.2004 at 21.00 EET (GMT+2).

Information:
Time: sunday 10.10.2004 at 21.00 EET
Levs: Joze01 - Joze10
Number of levels: 10
Battle duration: 1 h 30 mins
Level designers: zebra and jonsta
Name your recs as Jozexxyy.rec, where xx is the lev and yy your nick
Name your stats as Jozexxxxxx.txt, where xxxxxx is your whole nick

danielj will also arrange a TT battle on friday, i think he'll announce details later.

Some extra rules which i found necessary:

13. TT battle should be announced at least 2 days before in lauta so that everyone who wants to battle will see it

14. When uploading your recs, upload only your WRs, so that i don't have to look which one is wr and which one is not.

15. Name your recs always as xxxxyyzz.rec where xxxx is the level pack name, yy is the level number and zz are the first letters from your nick.

16. Name your stats always as xxxxyyyyyy.txt, where xxxx is the level pack name and yyyyyy is your nick (your whole nick).

Last time behk forgot to send stats, xp and zox didn't send all of their recs and some ppl sent me their all recs. But otherwise the battle was OK, let's continue on the same lines.

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 5 Oct 2004, 22:00

i think rec saving should be xxxzzyyy

what if i and juish jublle battles?? or at least let it be optional

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 6 Oct 2004, 13:29

but totti and total?

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 6 Oct 2004, 16:35

8-ball wrote:but totti and total?

That replay naming thing isn't problem as long as everybody uploads only his wrs, so that there won't be two recs which has same name. You can always check 'was it total or totti's rec' from stats or logs or ask somebody.

Of course there might be problem if for example totti is downloading total's recs, in that case try to find some good names for the recs if you don't want to overwrite your own worse rec.

I think this has been the habit in normal battles and cup recs as long as i remember, why to change it now.

Juble · Post by **Juble** » 7 Oct 2004, 01:28

This is a good idea, but the timezones are different and I can't play during the time most people are on....

juski : use common sense :P

maybe I'll do one of these tt battles some time in the future(don't think to soon ;p)

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 7 Oct 2004, 12:54

Juble wrote:This is a good idea, but the timezones are different and I can't play during the time most people are on....
soon ;p)

hmm that is very unfortunate... maybe someone could arrange some tt battles also at different time... i think it's impossible to find a time which would be good for everybody.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 7 Oct 2004, 15:44

oh i totally forgot we are still using summer time here...
so the battle will start on sunday at 21.00 EEST which is GMT+3 i think...
(EET = eastern europe time = GMT + 2, EEST = eastern europe summer time = GMT + 3)

anyway, look at moposite clock, i think it's in EEST even if it shows that it's in EET... am i right? I'm totally confused with these timezones.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 10 Oct 2004, 21:14

Joze TT battle is over and here are the results:

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 Joze Total Times
1.       3:14,14 Zamppe         
2.       3:23,10 Markku         
3.       3:26,78 axxu           
4.       3:31,02 J-sim          
5.       3:33,99 Rex           
6.       3:34,86 Zox            
7.       3:41,39 BarTek         
8.       3:46,59 stANGer        
9.       3:55,03 aavv           
10.      4:33,39 pedro          
11. 1:20:36,30 xp             (2 levels finished)

Levs, recs and details here:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/Joze.zip

nice work ppl, thanks for battling. Bartek promised to arrange the next TT battle.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 11 Oct 2004, 20:18

TTbattle tomorow!

Me and Chazz have maked a new levelpack and we have decided to publish them on TTbattle but since the level pack is quiet big we have to have it in parts so tomorow (thuesday) and next battle day after that ... the battle is 2hours long and starts 19:00 EET the same for next battle pattern is: dancha??.lev

and yeah the best times go as wrs on my homepage

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 12 Oct 2004, 09:39

ffs, arrange these 1,5-2 hour ttbattles only at weekeds, becus at least I (and many others?) dont have enough freetime to 'waste' 2 hours on a day with 4-5 hours freetime, but at weekends its a different thing cus whole day is kinda free you know.

Bonobo · Post by **Bonobo** » 12 Oct 2004, 14:51

this looks quite fun, maybe i will do a battle too someday

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 26 Oct 2004, 20:53

I'll arrange next TT battle on friday 29.10.2004 at 21.00 EET.

Details:
Time: friday 29.10.2004 at 21.00 EET(GMT+2)
Levs: Koti01 - Koti30
Number of levels: 30
Battle duration: 1 h 30 mins
Level designers: zebra
Levels type: some hÃ¶ylÃ¤s and some little longer ones
Name your recs as Kotixxyy.rec, where xx is the lev and yy your nick
Name your stats as Kotixxxxxx.txt, where xxxxxx is your whole nick

Note: the channel is now #TT-battle, not #TTbattle because we lost op there.

Flyrre · Post by **Flyrre** » 27 Oct 2004, 00:28

Nat time to play then, all drunk and shiet

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 29 Oct 2004, 22:04

Koti TT battle over. Here are the results. Congratulations to axxu.

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1.      5:45,03 axxu           
2.      6:06,74 Ali            
3.      6:21,67 aavv           
4.      6:28,50 TTechnik       
5.      6:30,82 SveinR         
6.      6:42,68 veezay         
7.      7:24,98 Andy000        
8.      7:49,65 Stinger        
9.   1:33:52,12 ThanaTos       (21 levels finished)

All recs, levs, results and details here:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/Koti.zip

Let's wait for next tt battle, maybe it's me/jonsta/ali/veezay/bartek who arranges it.

Ali · Post by **Ali** » 30 Oct 2004, 17:36

As i promised, i will arrange next tt battle...

Time: sunday 31.10. 2004 (tomorrow) at 19.00 CET (GMT +1)
--------or if something occurs (like zebra not present to give me his programs or only few players)
-------- saturday 6.11. 2004 at 19.00 CET (GMT +1)

Levels: 18 mostly ~20sec nice, not hard, hoylable levs (brag) atb01 - atb18

Battle duration: 1h 30 mins as usual

Where: #tt-battle

Duties: save all best recs, format atbxxyyy (xx=number, yyy=your nick)
--------- save your stats from levels as ATB_(yournick).txt

I hope that's all...

edit: changed amount of levs because of some non-important reasons

Ali · Post by **Ali** » 31 Oct 2004, 21:58

OK, it's over now. Final results:

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Total times

     5:29,46 axxu           
     5:35,80 Orcc           
     5:36,54 Zox            
     5:40,79 zebra          
     5:43,86 jsim           
     5:47,90 TTechnik       
     5:51,62 ToTaL          
     5:53,78 Zrex           
     5:54,29 xp             
     5:55,64 Juzam          
     6:22,20 Rasu           
     6:52,49 Cfilorvy

All levels, best replays and txt file with results >>
Detailed results in html >>

Congrats to axxu

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 5 Nov 2004, 09:03

damn i missed that zebras last one. zebra, when is the next one? luv ur levs u know

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 5 Nov 2004, 16:04

I try to keep the next one maybe next week some day, don't know the day yet but the time will be 21.00 EET as usual.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 8 Nov 2004, 18:57

Ok, i will arrange my next TT battle on thursday 11.11.2004 at 21.00 EET(GMT+2)

Number of levels: around 30
Battle duration: 1 h 30 mins
Level designers: zebra
Levels type: all kinds of levs

There is a surprise to some of the famous battle guys, you'll see

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 9 Nov 2004, 01:14

Dame, I'll miss another TT-battle because of floorball

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 9 Nov 2004, 20:48

We got operator status back in #TTbattle, so the next tt battle will be there. The levs are now almost ready, there will be 25 of them, and they are kinda good i think.
yoosef and axxu are now trying to keep the operatur status up.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 11 Nov 2004, 22:50

Fame TT battle is over. Congratulations to axxu who won zamppe in a very tight battle.

Results:

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1.      7:20,67 axxu           
2.      7:20,89 Zamppe         
3.      7:25,31 Markku         
4.      7:33,10 Jalli          
5.      7:51,08 Ali            
6.      7:52,28 Zox            
7.      7:58,10 xp             
8.      8:12,35 Ville          
9.      8:30,85 jonsta         
10.     8:49,19 Kopaka         
11.     8:50,69 TarGEnoR       
12.     9:30,56 Terba          
13.    36:48,95 TTechnik       (22 levels finished)
14.    38:06,97 Cfilorvy       (22 levels finished)
15.  1:44:04,45 Crazy          (15 levels finished)
16.  2:03:36,68 Tantal         (13 levels finished)

Recs and levs:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/Fameresults.zip

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 12 Nov 2004, 10:58

excellent levs, just maybe 2-3 too many, so not enough time to play each level 2 times(doing best time twice). but anyway its pretty much the same for everybody so max deserved win for aXu=). another good reason to vote him as externalist=))))))))))

Ali · Post by **Ali** » 17 Nov 2004, 15:48

i will arrange tt battle in #ttbattle on saturday 27.11.2004. Details later

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 17 Nov 2004, 18:39

My next TT battle will be on friday 19.11.2004 at 20.00 EET.

Details:
Levs: Trix01 - Trix50
Number of levels: 50
Battle duration: 1 h 30 mins
Level designers: zebra
Levels type: hÃ¶ylÃ¤ levs, very short levs
Name your recs as Trixyyzz.rec, where yy is the lev and zz your nick
Name your stats as Trixyyyyyy.txt, where yyyyyy is your whole nick
Channel: #TTbattle

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 19 Nov 2004, 22:31

Trix TT battle results:

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1.     8:32,79 axxu           
2.     8:50,35 Zox            
3.     9:55,25 Jake           
4.    10:34,97 Ismo           
5.  1:46:41,30 TTechnik       (40 levels finished)
6.  4:34:24,52 aavv           (23 levels finished)
7.  5:22:44,84 StingZor       (18 levels finished)
8.  6:02:13,68 Zamppe         (14 levels finished)

http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/Trixresults.zip

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 20 Nov 2004, 03:45

axxu is good