Elmanager

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 17 Sep 2013, 07:15

Use these keys: http://i.imgur.com/pMHvjLf.png (not the numpad ones, that is).

Pab · Post by **Pab** » 17 Sep 2013, 13:48

Heh thanks!! At first try didn't work but figured out that i use my keyboard in Spanish idiom, just had to change it to English and works!

with spanish its like: http://i.imgur.com/bE5Z2YE.png pretty awful :[}

thanks again.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 21 Nov 2013, 06:28

Some bugs I've found:
Unable to set grid size > 10

If grass polygons intersect with head of player it counts as topology error

Poly operation doesn't work if polygons are exactly next to each other, or when a vertex is exactly on the line of the other polygon (Example)

Unable to select vertexes when they are exactly on a line in another polygon (Example)

If you select many apples and change gravity it only changes gravity on one of them.

If you change LGR path in main settings it doesn't change in rendering settings.

If you have two vertex on exactly the same spot, checking topology won't detect it, but level won't be playable. (Actually I'm unable to replicate this right now but it's happened to me before, I'll give an example if I encounter it again.)

If you select polygons and pictures and move them, then undo, the pictures won't be selected any more.

Not bugs but some small changes/updates I would like to see:

Would like to use other size values in pipe tool (Now only increments of 0,05)

When using transform it could only transform the side you select, for example if you select left or right side you can can't tilt the selection etc.

Ability to expand a selection (for example make selection X% bigger)

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 22 Nov 2013, 12:45

Thanks for this report, I'll see what I can do about them when I have some time.

EDIT: Updated now, see changelog. I didn't fix all of the bugs you mentioned yet, but many anyway.

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 25 Nov 2013, 01:14

Thanks Smibu, much appreciated!

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 25 Nov 2013, 06:48

Thanks a lot indeed

Very fast fix and very much appreciated indeed!

BlaZtek · Post by **BlaZtek** » 25 Nov 2013, 19:52

Smibu, I have ONLY 3 questions.

1. How do I change direction on my vertex? Ingame editor that is "enter.".
2. Why am I unable to chose pictures? Also If I make lev at ingame editor and go to SLE
for making autograss the pictures will dissapear.
3. Where can I set sieze for pipe tool? If want to make tighter pipe.

Tnx.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 25 Nov 2013, 20:57

Ty for update Smibu!

Blaz:
1. space
3. + -

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 27 Nov 2013, 18:38

Lousku correct - and for 2, you need to set an LGR file for the lev editor in rendering settings.

Another possibility is that the pictures are hidden - see the "Visibility" category in rendering settings.

BlaZtek · Post by **BlaZtek** » 27 Nov 2013, 21:09

Aha, that solved my problem. Thank you for this editor Smibu. Pretty good one.

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 2 Dec 2013, 19:33

Smibu: in Replay Manager, is it possible to display every player paths with different colors? if i merge 2 or more recs, only one path is displayed with red... would be nice to see all paths

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 2 Dec 2013, 20:24

Yep, you just have to select all the players from the list, like this: http://i.imgur.com/qRa7rP1.png

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 2 Dec 2013, 21:12

Smibu wrote:Yep, you just have to select all the players from the list, like this: http://i.imgur.com/qRa7rP1.png

wow, great! didnt know that, thx!

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 7 Dec 2013, 14:26

or u can do like this

http://kopasite.net/up/0/WC601megamerge2.png
http://kopasite.net/up/0/WC601megamerge3.png

Schumi · Post by **Schumi** » 7 Dec 2013, 20:41

someone plz make one with Apple Harvest and Tunnel Terror

or Curva

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 8 Dec 2013, 06:55

gief recs

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 7 Jan 2014, 18:44

Minor fak: ctrl+a doesn't select start.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 7 Feb 2014, 09:41

polyop is acting very weird after the newest update, and im getting an error when saving levs. (though the levs are fine and the program doesnt crash).
screenshots:
http://kopasite.net/up/3ksybo6p56t4du3/sle06.png
http://kopasite.net/up/2pyc13u1r814w09/sle07.png (shows results after polyopping the polygons from other screenshot)

also here is another screenshot i made in previous version, sle crashed after i tried merging some polygons which had parallel lines (never crashed before in that version for me).
http://kopasite.net/up/90uo293r6mp81m7/sle05.png

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 7 Feb 2014, 16:00

Damn, can you post example lev files in which this happens?

If this is unfixable, I will revert back to the old algorithm.

You have the two new dll files (GeoLib and GeoPolygons) in Elmanager directory, right?

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 7 Feb 2014, 20:00

Yeah I have those files. Here is the lev from screenshot: http://kopasite.net/up/ec1o73negbofwv2/DAFF103.lev
oddly enough the polygon in bottom right merges as it should.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 8 Feb 2014, 21:15

Ok thanks, I updated now. Let me know if you still get some errors.

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 8 Feb 2014, 21:42

I get this error when saving lev for the first time (but saving still works): http://pastebin.com/FZZh4nW0

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 8 Feb 2014, 22:11

Reproduced when I deleted the settings file, thanks. I updated, but you probably have to download manually because the day of the update is the same.

I will probably push a "blank" update tomorrow to make sure everyone gets the latest version.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 9 Feb 2014, 15:59

Working very well so far, thank you!

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 9 Feb 2014, 16:42

Could you add a warning message to (save and) close Elmanager before updating it? I always forget and have to extract twice the new files since cant rewrite an open application.

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 9 Feb 2014, 18:18

Hehe yeah, same here. A warning message would be very welcome. Or, even better, maybe the program could just close when you decide to download the new version.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 5 Mar 2014, 03:18

When creating ellipses with over 24 vertexes (at least it doesn't happen with 24 and happens with 25) then leftmost vertex will be two vertexes in same spot. Also, I guess I've mentioned this before but checking topology won't find the spot (level won't be playable tho, can be very hard to find the error if you've made quite a lot).
http://kopasite.net/up/kq6224imbk1rc58/sle08.png

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 7 Mar 2014, 17:36

I guess it doesn't find the error since it doesn't intersect itself being on the same coordinate?

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 7 Mar 2014, 18:20

Yes, probably.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 7 Mar 2014, 21:32

Fixed this ellipse bug, thanks. The loop for creating the ellipse sucked a bit...

Improved also the update procedure slightly.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 7 Mar 2014, 22:03

Thanks! I can't live without your editor so these quick updates are very much appreciated

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 7 Mar 2014, 23:06

-Update checker: Elmanager will automatically exit after downloading an update. Added also a warning text for this.
-Update checker: When the download button is clicked, the text of it will turn into "Downloading..." to indicate that the download started.

Those don't work for me for this update, I guess it requires the new version for this to work for next updates, now that I think about it lol.

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 7 Apr 2014, 18:28

Some idea: draggable lines. I think it would be quite useful if you could drag just one line instead of the whole polygon (by pointing at that line). And to drag the whole polygon you would have to point at its insides. What do you think?

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 7 Apr 2014, 19:04

You already can drag a line (or lines) by first selecting the corresponding vertices (rectangular selection is the fastest way I guess).

And to drag the whole polygon you would have to point at its insides.

This might not be good in practice - usually you want to begin a rectangular selection by clicking an empty area which often happens to be inside some polygon.

kuchitsu · Post by **kuchitsu** » 7 Apr 2014, 21:11

Hmm, maybe could have a modifier key like Shift to enable the line selection mode instead of polygon selection. I don't know, maybe it sounds like a silly request because rectangular selection doesn't take THAT much time. I'm just too used to being able to select lines by clicking in Doom editors I guess. (Doom editing is kinda similar to Elma, it's too basically a bunch of lines connected by vertexes)

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 7 Apr 2014, 21:45

kuchitsu wrote:Hmm, maybe could have a modifier key like Shift to enable the line selection mode instead of polygon selection. I don't know, maybe it sounds like a silly request because rectangular selection doesn't take THAT much time. I'm just too used to being able to select lines by clicking in Doom editors I guess. (Doom editing is kinda similar to Elma, it's too basically a bunch of lines connected by vertexes)

In NEW! you can select either vertex, edge or poly with rectangular or free selection. Could be a nice feature in SLE too, but I don't actually need it.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 22 Apr 2014, 21:52

Updated. Changelog:

-SLE: Selected vertices are now preferred when two or more vertices are under mouse pointer.
-SLE: Added a shortcut key for copying (Ctrl+C).
-Bugfix: SLE: Level width and height must be < 188, not <= 188.

Lousku wrote:Minor fak: ctrl+a doesn't select start.

Hehe, didn't remember to fix this one, I'll do it on next update.

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 22 Apr 2014, 22:29

-SLE: Selected vertices are now preferred when two or more vertices are under mouse pointer.
what is that?

-SLE: Added a shortcut key for copying (Ctrl+C).
sweet

-Bugfix: SLE: Level width and height must be < 188, not <= 188.
kinda wish eol was <=

And I can't wait for a replacing tool for multiple selection

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 27 Apr 2014, 14:07

Mawane wrote:-SLE: Selected vertices are now preferred when two or more vertices are under mouse pointer.
what is that?

I guess for example if you select a vertex, and move it over another vertex, then when you try to move that vertex again you won't select the vertex 'under' the one you have already selected.

Ithy · Post by **Ithy** » 1 May 2014, 16:55

Nice app, will be using this instead of the good ol' ALE for now on.

Pressing space bar while having only one vertex for a polygon causes an error, not really troubling, but thought I'd post here anyway.

System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Non-negative number required.
Parameter name: count
at System.Collections.Generic.List`1.RemoveRange(Int32 index, Int32 count)
at Elmanager.Geometry.Triangulate(List`1& polygons)
at Elmanager.Geometry.Triangulate(Polygon polygon)
at Elmanager.EditorTools.VertexTool.KeyDown(KeyEventArgs key)
at Elmanager.Forms.LevelEditor.KeyHandlerDown(Object sender, KeyEventArgs e)
at Elmanager.CustomControls.RadioButtonMod.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 6 Jul 2014, 17:03

Updated, changes:

-SLE: Added "Import level(s)" function.
-SLE: Added "Save as picture" function.
-SLE: Added free selection mode.
-SLE: Added option to show crosshair.
-SLE: The inactive edges of grass polygons are hidden.
-SLE: In pipe tool, radius can be adjusted with Page Up/Down.
-SLE: Removed maximum limit of 20 vertices in smoothing tool.
-SLE: Some settings of tools are saved (number of sides in ellipse, pipe radius, frame radius and smoothing parameters).
-SLE: Improved smoothing tool by widening the range of parameters.
-SLE: If there are many vertices under mouse, the closest one will be taken (but selected vertices are still preferred).
-SLE: Vertices are now rendered using small triangles instead of points. This is faster style and matters in huge levels.
-SLE: Optimized polygon decomposition algorithm a lot. This makes some operations a lot faster.
-SLE: Optimized topology checking with the help of an external library.
-SLE: Bugfix: Undoing an operation was not possible in a certain scenario when bending an edge.
-SLE: Bugfix: The text "Checking topology..." was red in some cases.

You can begin free selection mode by holding Left Shift when starting to select (no need to hold Shift all the time while drawing selection).

Lousku wrote:Minor fak: ctrl+a doesn't select start.

I think it's actually better if Ctrl+A won't select start. If, for example, I want to select all apples and move them, I'd apply the filter to select apples only and then select all. It would be annoying if start was selected too.

Ithy wrote:Pressing space bar while having only one vertex for a polygon causes an error, not really troubling, but thought I'd post here anyway.

Sorry, didn't notice your post until now :o

I couldn't reproduce that bug in the newest version at least. Let me know if you still get the bug.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 7 Jul 2014, 04:22

Ty for update! Veri useful.

Dragging a grass vertex around looked like a bug but I'm an idiot. :-) Couldn't find bugs.

Smibu wrote:
Lousku wrote:Minor fak: ctrl+a doesn't select start.
I think it's actually better if Ctrl+A won't select start. If, for example, I want to select all apples and move them, I'd apply the filter to select apples only and then select all. It would be annoying if start was selected too.

Ah ye, forgot about selection filter. Ye, makes sense.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 13 Jul 2014, 00:04

Great update, love to see so much new stuff after I have a little break from editing

Will give feedback if I run into any problems!

edit: One thing which I would like to be able to turn off, is the topology check on undo. Sometimes I have lots of overlapping polygons etc while i make levs, so if I have to use undo I get lots of red squares all over lev which are very distracting. Maybe also a button like "ignore current topology errors" that will clear the lev of all red squares?

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 13 Jul 2014, 18:15

danielj wrote:edit: One thing which I would like to be able to turn off, is the topology check on undo. Sometimes I have lots of overlapping polygons etc while i make levs, so if I have to use undo I get lots of red squares all over lev which are very distracting. Maybe also a button like "ignore current topology errors" that will clear the lev of all red squares?

Yes, I've noticed this too and I wasn't sure if it should be like that or not. For the next update I can make it so that all errors are cleared when undoing or redoing.

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 5 Aug 2014, 18:28

Replay viewer needs skins for the bike(s), easy to see why here: http://kopasite.net/up/6g3i7sq33jhzwvy/slerec.png

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 6 Aug 2014, 00:44

id suggest to show whole bike instead of frames, you can also show drivers path and also u can select which bikes to see by clicking the recs u merge. unselected are semi-transparent and can uncheck to totally hide. but ye maybe add drivers paths color to the semi-transparency? but atm im fine the way it works, pretty max to see a big bunch of recs at once

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 6 Aug 2014, 01:04

Thx Maw, didn't realize what I wanted was already in the program

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 9 Aug 2014, 14:37

I just had a crash when I accidentally merged a probably invalid polygon (it has two vertexes on the same point)
Screenshot here: http://kopasite.net/up/zr1dj508bvxkzzn/sle09.png (I was going to merge with the top polygon and accidentally hit the grass polygon I used for grid)
Bug can be replicated quite easily here if you try to merge the two polygons: http://kopasite.net/up/184o1juqz24z4zg/slebug02.lev
I guess you shouldn't be able to merge these polygons but it would be nice if it didn't crash.

edit: would be nice if you could change the properties of all textures selected at once. Also would be nice if you could change the distance of pictures/textures with +/- without opening properties

edit2: also would be very nice feature if not too hard to make: A function that removes all unnecessary textures (all sky textures that is not in contact with sky and all ground textures that is not in contact with ground)

edit3: if you try to edit a grass polygon with the vertex tool, it acts very strange and messes up the whole polygon. Another feature request: cut/connect should also work with "Snap to grid", all other functions that could snap to grid seem to do so. I would also like it if when you have "Default level title Same as filename" only set the title if it's the first time you are saving a level, since I have fairly often have my level title reset and forgot to check it before I publish lev. I'm sorry if I sound too demanding or I say stuff other people have already said

edit4: if you watch multiple recs with replay viewer and ground texture, the texture goes crazy.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 19 Aug 2014, 18:14

I just had a crash when I accidentally merged a probably invalid polygon (it has two vertexes on the same point)

if you try to edit a grass polygon with the vertex tool, it acts very strange and messes up the whole polygon.

Thanks, fixed these now. Just a note - when editing a grass polygon with vertex tool, it shows all edges, so don't consider that a bug. :)

Another feature request: cut/connect should also work with "Snap to grid", all other functions that could snap to grid seem to do so.

This is a bug, it's fixed now.

would be nice if you could change the properties of all textures selected at once. Also would be nice if you could change the distance of pictures/textures with +/- without opening properties

also would be very nice feature if not too hard to make: A function that removes all unnecessary textures (all sky textures that is not in contact with sky and all ground textures that is not in contact with ground)

Those would be probably sometimes useful but they would need some work; I won't promise anything.

I would also like it if when you have "Default level title Same as filename" only set the title if it's the first time you are saving a level, since I have fairly often have my level title reset and forgot to check it before I publish lev.

I didn't understand this. Can you give a step-by-step explanation of this problem?

if you watch multiple recs with replay viewer and ground texture, the texture goes crazy.

Can you give me the lev and the recs, and a screenshot (preferably including all those settings in replay viewer)?

I also disabled the automatic topology check on undo/redo. Full changelog here:

-SLE: Bugfix: Vertex tool was broken when editing a grass polygon.
-SLE: Bugfix: Cut/connect tool did not obey Snap to grid -option.
-SLE: Topology errors are cleared on undo and redo.
-SLE: Bugfix: Polygon operation could cause Elmanager to crash in some situations (fixed IsSimple method).

danitah · Post by **danitah** » 19 Aug 2014, 20:07

Thanks so much for the fixes! Great update

Smibu wrote:Can you give me the lev and the recs, and a screenshot (preferably including all those settings in replay viewer)?

I was actually unable to get this bug again, if I encounter it again I will give you that information.

Smibu wrote:I didn't understand this. Can you give a step-by-step explanation of this problem?

For example, this happened when I was making Sanpo002.lev: I saved the level with the correct title "Sanpo002 - Fuefuki no Shonen", then later I wanted to create some backups in case I mess something up, so I save something like snpo02b.lev, and the title got changed to "snpo02b", then when I saved it as Sanpo002.lev again, I forgot to check the title before publishing and it got published with the title "Sanpo002". This wouldn't be a problem if SLE only set the title the first time you save, I.E. only when Title = New Level or something.