Foul language in EOL

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Foul language in EOL

Post by Thunder » 20 Dec 2019, 18:26

Where can i see info about who to contact for foul language in the game?

Luther and JohnSykkel said something racist in the game, and there is no info on lauta about how i am supposed to contact anyone about it.
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Re: Foul language in EOL

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by Labs » 20 Dec 2019, 23:24

Ppl in this century are like glass, freakin out on some tiny things..
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 20 Dec 2019, 23:44

People in this century are like like ass holes, feeling the need to offend others for no good reason.

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by Ruben » 21 Dec 2019, 00:13

When did expressing disappointment in unnecessary foul language turn into "freaking out"?
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by jonsykkel » 21 Dec 2019, 00:18

telling ppl to fuk off and going out of ur way to get them banned is not the same as "expressing disapointment"
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by Labs » 21 Dec 2019, 00:35

pawq wrote:
20 Dec 2019, 23:44
People in this century are like like ass holes, feeling the need to offend others for no good reason.
You offend ppl who like likeing ass holes. :beer:
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by iltsu » 21 Dec 2019, 02:28

Move this topic to trash please.

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by ArZeNiK » 21 Dec 2019, 11:23

Labs wrote:
20 Dec 2019, 23:24
Ppl in this century are like glass, freakin out on some tiny things..
ppl in this century are actually starting to gain enough sanity to doubt and disregard those who express meaningless prejudices, offensive statements (be it "jokes" or not) and the like
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by Lousku » 21 Dec 2019, 13:09

Cool words but this is the opposite of disregard.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by ArZeNiK » 21 Dec 2019, 13:17

Lousku wrote:
21 Dec 2019, 13:09
Cool words but this is the opposite of disregard.
yes i cant speak english sry. i meant look down on or osv
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by Orcc » 22 Dec 2019, 12:11

There are fundamental differences in the way men and women talk to each other. Women say compliments all the time (oh how lovely new hairstyle; wow look at that shirt) but they don't really mean what they say. Men insult each other all the time (hey fat bastard, get a job) but they don't really mean what they say.

Elma community is not a big bunch of strangers but instead a tight knit group of people that consider every kuski a friend and can act accordingly. I don't understand how guys in their 30s have survived in their lives if they feel offended because of jokes by friends?
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Re: Foul language in EOL

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 22 Dec 2019, 14:37

Orcc wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 12:11
There are fundamental differences in the way men and women talk to each other. Women say compliments all the time (oh how lovely new hairstyle; wow look at that shirt) but they don't really mean what they say. Men insult each other all the time (hey fat bastard, get a job) but they don't really mean what they say.

Elma community is not a big bunch of strangers but instead a tight knit group of people that consider every kuski a friend and can act accordingly. I don't understand how guys in their 30s have survived in their lives if they feel offended because of jokes by friends?
I don't know about you, but we don't call black people negers when I meet with friends irl. It's pretty fundamental respect. It's one thing insulting your close friend and knowing they won't take it seriously, and another to insult a whole race of people, in what is essentially a public space.

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by Grace » 22 Dec 2019, 15:19

For it to be a joke, isn't it meant to be funny?

Nobody in EOL (espec not mans discussed in this tropic) legitimately doesn't understand that some racist slurs are racist slurs. Also none of them can be stupid enough to think that being racist for the sake of it is in any way humorous. What's even the point of making racist "jokes" then if they aren't funny?

I think you shouldn't afford them the excuse of "they're joking around" because the "jokes" aren't funny (no, not even to them) and it's just an excuse to be contentious and offensive. We don't need that in elma imo
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by jblaze » 22 Dec 2019, 16:00

i dont understand why the word nigger/nigga/neger is such a huge deal (like a word "fuck" was to most of us when we were 5yo)

why wouldnt i call a nigger this way if they call themselves so in a non disdainful way? this is like what if zweq said that zamppe is offensive now and you cannot call him zamppe, because he is only zweq. and only zweq can call himself a zamppe. nigger was not offensive word originally, so why not use it in a non offensive way (btw not saying that the case in this topic was like that, i dont know) and bring back the non-offensiveness?

i know this might not apply to whole population of blacks, but here you are with an example of a first song example that popped up my head sang by niggers (2pac - I dont give a fuck):

I don't give a fuck
They done push me to the limit the more I live
I might blow up any minute, did it again
Now I'm in the back of the paddy wagon
While this cops bragging about the nigga he's jackin
I see no justice
All I see is niggas dying fast
The sound of a gun blast
Then watch the hurst past
Just another day in the life 'G'
Gotta step lightly cuz cops tried to snippe me
The catch, they don't wanna stop at the brother man
But then they'll have an accident and pick up another man
I went to the bank to cash my cheque
I get more respect from the mutha-fuckin' dope man
The Grammy's and the American music shows pimp us like hoes
They got dough but they hate us though
You better keep your mind on the real shit
And fuck trying to get with these crooked ass hypocrites
They way they see it, we was meant to be keep down
Just can't understand why we getting respect now
Mama told me they're be days like this
But I'm pissed cause it stays like this
And now they trying to send me off to Kuwait
Gimme a break
How much shit can a nigga take
I ain't goin' nowhere no how
What you wanna throw down
Better bring your guns pal
Cuz this is the day we make 'em pay
Fuck bailin' hate I bail and spray with my A-K
And even if they shoot me down
There'll be another nigga bigger
from the mutha-fuckin' underground
So step but you better step quick
Cause the clocks goin' tick and I'm sick of the bullshit
You're watching the makings of a physco-path
The truth didn't last
Before the wrath and aftermath
Who's that behind the trigger?
Who'd do yah figure!?
A mutha-fuckin night nigga
Ready to buck and rip shit up
I had enough and I don't give a fuck

Niggas!, isn't just the blacks
also a gang of mutha-fuckas dressed in blue slacks
They say niggas hang in packs and their attitude is shitty
Tell me, who's the biggest gang of niggas in the city
They say niggas like to do niggas,
Throw me in the cuffs with just two niggas
A street walkin' nigga and a beat walkin' nigga with a badge
I had to shoot yah and the pass for the blast take his cash
And bash his head in dump him at the dead in
And that's just his luck
Cause a nigga like me
don't really give a fuck

Walked in the store what's everybody staring at
They act like they never seen a mutha fucker wearing black
Following a nigga and shit
Ain't this a bitch
All I wanted was some chips
I wanna take my business else where
But where?
Cause who in the hell cares
About a black man with a black need
They wanna jack me like some kind of crack fiend
I wonder if knows that my income is more than
His pension, salary and then some
Your daughter is my number one fan
And your trife ass wife wants a life with a black man
So who's the mac in fact who's the black jack
Sit back and get fat off the fat cat
while he thinks that he's getting over
I bust a move as smooth as casanova
And count another quick meal
I'm getting paid for my traid but its still real
And if you look between the lines you'll find a rhyme
AS strong as a fuckin' nine
Mail stacked up niggas wanna act up
Let's put the gats up and throw your backs up
But the cops getting dropped by the gun shot
Usta come but he's done, now we run the block
To my brothers stay strong keep yah heads up
They know we fed up
But we they just don't give a fuck

They just don't give a fuck

I gotta give my fuck offs

Fuck you to the San FranCisco police department
Fuck you to the Marin County Sheriff department
Fuck you to the F.B.I
Fuck you to the C.I.A
Fuck you to the B-u-s-h
Fuck you to the AmeriKKKa
Fuck you to all you redneck prejudice mutha fuckas
And fuck yah
Fuck Y'all
Punk gay sensitive little dick bastards
2paclypse mutha fuckin' know
Y'all can kiss my ass and suck my dick
And my uncle Tommy's balls
Fuck Y'all
Punks, punks, punks, punks, punks


its just an example, there are thousands of other stuff where niggers rhyme "nigger" with "nigger" in their songs
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by Orcc » 22 Dec 2019, 16:05

Whenever this same topic arises the same couple freedom fighters (Pawq, Grace, Kopaka) arrive. How can you determine for everyone what's funny and what's not? It's very strange that other people in the scene seem to enjoy these jokes very much. Jimmy Carr was mentioned earlier, it's also strange how popular he is given what I just read that those kind of jokes are not funny at all.

I'm not saying that it's the only type of humor around. There are the opposite of those jokes, like in the picture below. I find that not funny at all, but I don't go around telling people that their humor is wrong. Humor missionaries, anyone?

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Four weeks ago I spent a cottage weekend with friends. Two of them were from Iran. You can rest assured that they had their own share of jokes about being abusive towards women and they told the very same type of jokes about themselves too. The same thing happened at my previous work place where there were a couple black guys working. I feel bad for guys who cannot take and tell jokes such as those.

Comparing EOL to public place seems pretty far fetched to me. Somehow I can't see jon and Luther marching on the street with a bunch of skinheads. Try to see the difference between humor and seriousness, it's not that hard.
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by kuchitsu » 22 Dec 2019, 16:26

I believe that Luther and jon didn't mean anything bad when they used these words (as Orcc said, sometimes you say one thing but mean another), but if it made other people uncomfortable then perhaps it's better for them to stop. If we are a "tight knit group of people that consider every kuski a friend and can act accordingly", then surely we can exercise a little effort to make EOL a more pleasant place for everyone. Like if you were with a group of friends and one of them said "please don't use that kind of language around me", I think you would listen to him instead of bickering about it. Because you know that turning a small difference into a blown-out argument will ruin the mood for everyone, and your friendship is much more valuable to you than some silly word. It's a very small concession to make and it's worth it.

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by AndrY » 22 Dec 2019, 16:31

niger is a country

also, why to insult one man is less bad than insult some group?
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I think you shouldn't afford them the excuse of "they're joking around" because the "jokes" aren't funny (no, not even to them)
hmm i loled imo when was reading that thunder vs luther/jon chat
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by kuchitsu » 22 Dec 2019, 16:32

This thread needs some chat logs.

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by ArZeNiK » 22 Dec 2019, 17:06

here chatlog for everyone not in discord. too lazy to crop convo so here is everything said inbetween also, from start of luth mentioning muslims/blacks to finish

[16:49:58] (Luther): bjenn dont u also think its getting out of hand with all
[16:50:08] (Luther): camel caretakers and sand negers all over?
[16:50:17] (Luther): I was just robbed a couple of days ago and did u see
[16:50:26] (Luther): lamotte when he was in kronogarden lmao?
[16:52:34] (Bjenn): ok got new
[16:52:57] (Bjenn): dont have to use negers as name
[16:53:08] (Bjenn): but ye very out of hand, and yes I saw Kronogarden..
[16:53:13] (Luther): well I dont mean jungle negers and bongo negers
[16:53:16] (Luther): sand people then
[16:53:18] (Bjenn): wow feel bad for you :(
[16:53:43] (Luther): ye a group of cp teens
[16:53:56] (Luther): gbg is crazy
[16:54:03] (Luther): plz start lev
[16:54:31] (ROKKEBOL): gay lev
[16:54:35] (Bjenn): did they use weapon?
[16:54:43] (Luther): no I ran away
[16:54:47] (Luther): I made it
[16:54:57] (Bjenn): good
[16:54:58] (Luther): but they wanted fight and did some deflection tactics shit
[16:55:15] (Bjenn): Their mentality is so fucked up
[16:55:23] (Bjenn): like ''this is our place''
[16:55:30] (Bjenn): and they can do whatever they want
[16:55:39] (Luther): yeah
[16:55:50] (Luther): they even get more money than me
[16:55:51] (Luther): and stuff
[16:55:54] (Luther): and same rights
[16:55:57] (Luther): still worst scum on earth
[16:56:01] (Bjenn): yes
[16:56:30] (Bjenn): Im voting SD 2022 also
[16:56:36] (Luther): me too
[16:56:42] (Luther): 24% are now so
[16:56:50] (zo3): ofc sd
[16:56:56] (Luther): I LOVE seeing land traitors and retarded Lofven going down
[16:56:58] (Bjenn): ty zo3
[16:57:04] (Bjenn): yes
[16:57:40] (Luther): sik impsy lev
[16:57:59] (Bjenn): it was hard before, i made it easier :P
[16:58:59] (Bjenn): I read article about a couple who got beaten
[16:59:01] (Bjenn): with machete
[16:59:06] (Bjenn): almost killing the man
[16:59:11] (Luther): lol
[16:59:14] (Bjenn): nothing about this in MSM
[16:59:28] (Bjenn): need to look in alternative media
[16:59:42] (Bjenn): he was african
[17:00:17] (Luther): look for what
[17:00:21] (Luther): ah
[17:00:22] (Luther): ye
[17:00:35] (Luther): yeah meanwhile all this
[17:00:39] (Bjenn): and had butchered someone there
[17:00:46] (Luther): only article in MSM is cry article about how we should
[17:00:49] (Luther): return IS CHILDREN
[17:00:53] (Luther): fuck these children
[17:01:09] (Luther): genuinely
[17:01:14] (Bjenn): ''det handlar om barn!!''
[17:01:16] (Bjenn): xD
[17:01:28] (Luther): yeah that makes me so tired
[17:01:32] (Luther): makes me hate all children
[17:01:33] (Luther): xD
[17:04:00] (Luther): too hard lev(
[17:05:08] (Bjenn): ok
[17:06:40] (Luther): wtf start is this?P:d
[17:07:27] (Bjenn): dunno :)
[17:08:26] (Luther): hmm
[17:08:26] (Bjenn): :D
[17:08:37] (Luther): LOL
[17:08:42] (Luther): ok...
[17:08:47] (Luther): well that was a bit.. fastrer
[17:09:03] (Bjenn): hm ok
[17:09:26] (Bjenn): xD
[17:09:28] (Luther): :D
[17:11:45] (Bjenn): gg luther
[17:12:03] (Luther): duno how 2nd half
[17:12:42] (Luther): neger
[17:13:12] (danitah): watch the language please
[17:14:13] (Luther): babbe)
[17:14:19] (Thunder): Log off please if you are going to use that kind of language.
[17:14:23] (Thunder): disgusting.
[17:14:49] (jonsykkel): i agree fuk disgusting negers
[17:15:25] (Thunder): Who to contact for a ban?
[17:15:29] (Luther): also disgusting to get robbed
[17:15:35] (Luther): as I did a couple of days ago ty
[17:15:44] (Luther): you can contact me, go get ban yourself
[17:16:36] (Bjenn): xD
[17:17:16] (Bjenn): its not weird becoming hostile against immigrants when they
[17:17:19] (Bjenn): do what they do
[17:17:21] (Luther): must concentrate on lev :P
[17:17:29] (Luther): no, its quite natural at this moment
[17:18:29] (Thunder): Anyone know who to contact to get someone banned from typing?
[17:19:15] (danitah): you can msg me or another mod in discord
[17:19:26] (danitah): im about to go to work so dont have time to deal with stuff right
[17:19:27] (danitah): now
[17:19:59] (danitah): you cant use such language in eol, plz take it elsewhere
[17:20:08] (Thunder): But you saw what was written?
[17:20:12] (Luther): please never tell me what to do
[17:20:17] (Luther): ban me right away if so sir
[17:20:34] (Thunder): Yeah please do. Also Johnsykkel.
[17:23:38] (ROKKEBOL): pls ban bjenn
[17:23:44] (ROKKEBOL): he said my mom was gay
[17:27:29] (Luther): well im sorry I went a bit over the top with the
[17:28:01] (Luther): obviously irrelevant thing of ethnicity (im serious)
[17:28:07] (Luther): sorry if I offended you thunder.
[17:28:14] (Luther): But this is EOL
[17:28:16] (Luther): fuck islam
[17:28:44] (Thunder): Please log off. You are just being disgusting now.
[17:29:16] (gradus): fuck all religions
[17:29:22] (Luther): I concur to that
[17:31:16] (veezay): farting sounds
[17:32:37] (gradus): but many muslims are stupid monkeys
[17:32:47] (gradus): not only nigers
[17:33:02] (Luther): unfortunately
[17:33:04] (Thunder): Watch the language.
[17:33:10] (Thunder): Please log off.
[17:33:21] (gradus): why? if its true
[17:33:39] (veezay): key word if
[17:33:40] (Thunder): I hope you also get a ban. This is not ok.
[17:34:00] (Bjenn): Free speech my friend.
[17:34:08] (Luther): I think this is the first time in 20 years in elma scene I heard
[17:34:15] (Luther): for someone to tell someone else to log off
[17:34:45] (gradus): just from muslim territory near mountain elbrus
[17:34:48] (veezay): free speech doesn't exactly mean this bjenn
[17:35:04] (iltsu): just readed chat and i agree 100% with luhter
[17:35:09] (Bjenn): so what does it mean?
[17:35:11] (Thunder): You are not free to talk down on others, or groups.
[17:35:24] (Thunder): You have a strict law against it.
[17:35:32] (Bjenn): yes you are as long as you are not breaking any law
[17:35:32] (veezay): we wouldn't limit your free speech by chatbanning you
[17:35:56] (Kopaka): free speech doesnt apply to random internet chat
[17:35:57] (Luther): no it would be a good censorship I guess
[17:36:42] (gradus): many muslims dont know any law...
[17:36:44] (Thunder): But again, Who and where to contact for ban?
[17:36:49] (gradus): only ak47 ok
[17:37:00] (iltsu): relax thunder
[17:37:16] (Kopaka): dani already told you
[17:37:32] (Thunder): I cant search for discord on mopo.
[17:38:18] (Kopaka): discord.me/elma
[17:39:07] (Luther): im going to jail now, bye(
[17:39:20] (Bjenn): been good knowing you
[17:39:24] (Luther): ty
[17:39:32] (Luther): language police in here are better than the swedish police is
[17:39:59] (Bjenn): xD
[17:41:29] (Kopaka): I do feel for you, most other european contry failed you and let
[17:41:34] (Kopaka): you deal with all of the
[17:41:36] (Kopaka): them
[17:41:47] (Kopaka): but if you integrate them well, I also believe it can be a huge
[17:41:56] (Kopaka): asset in the long term, with bigger work force etc.
[17:41:57] (Luther): ofc it can
[17:42:04] (gradus): ppl who think muslims are ok, need to live with them
[17:42:11] (Luther): but maybe you didnt see, I also acted a bit extra in affect today
[17:42:13] (iltsu): they arent here to work
[17:42:14] (Kopaka): so my two cent, dont vote for crazies like SD
[17:42:15] (Luther): because I was recently robbed
[17:42:39] (Kopaka): yea I saw that, understandable to be mad :D
[17:42:58] (Luther): you all know me im not mongo racist or anything although
[17:43:15] (Luther): we HAVE put ourselves in a very... hard situation
[17:43:16] (Luther): you know
[17:43:33] (Luther): much worse than you guys
[17:44:20] (Kopaka): yea
[17:44:20] (Thunder): But you are a racist.
[17:44:40] (iltsu): no he isnt
[17:44:43] (Luther): Im 100% not even caring of ethnicity but if you dont adapt
[17:44:54] (Luther): to the culture you try to integrate into
[17:44:57] (Luther): and dont want to integrate
[17:45:03] (Luther): then fuck off, I think. Personally
[17:45:25] (Luther): how is that even remotely racist?
[17:45:41] (Thunder): You are a racist if you call someone what he just did earlier.
[17:45:48] (DIvAn): gz Mira
[17:46:03] (Mira): thankss
[17:46:27] (gradus): they dont want integrate, 100%
[17:47:01] (Thunder): There you also go. Racist.
[17:47:07] (gradus): as i said not only nigers like this in europe
[17:47:21] (Bjenn): Thunder wtf xD
[17:47:26] (Luther): but in a very rare occasion, it might be true stating that fact?
[17:47:27] (Luther): :s
[17:47:31] (gradus): in rus other monkey muslims
[17:47:31] (iltsu): thunder log off
[17:47:35] (Bjenn): And what do you call immigrants who rape and murder swedish ppl?
[17:47:38] (Bjenn): calling them names
[17:47:44] (gradus): same like in europe problem
[17:47:48] (Bjenn): I hope you call them racist as well
[17:49:09] (gradus): im not racist too, but many of this muslims are shit ppl
[17:49:09] (Thunder): They are not raping because of the skin color. Weak argument ther
[17:49:11] (Thunder): e.
[17:49:43] (Luther): so culture it is, ye?
[17:49:49] (zo3): yes
[17:49:51] (gradus): but most of them nigers and monkey muslims
[17:49:55] (Bjenn): But they call out names that are alike the N word
[17:50:04] (Bjenn): but for white people and swedish
[17:50:16] (Bjenn): svennehora osv
[17:50:21] (Kopaka): regardless, we dont want racial slurs here
[17:50:27] (Kopaka): stop with the n word and monkey gradus
[17:50:44] (Luther): hello bjenn svennebanan)
[17:50:46] (gradus): ehy this word is problem?
[17:50:47] (zo3): muslims are the most rascist ppl ever
[17:51:17] (Kopaka): it only serves to degrade, its pointless to use
[17:51:27] (Bjenn): luther)
[17:51:41] (gradus): hm, its not true
[17:52:05] (gradus): its ok name for this ppl, we use it in rus
[17:52:11] (Luther): words being a problem in eol is unheard of to me
[17:52:41] (Luther): but maybe theres a line somewhere
[17:53:20] (Luther): I can respect that
[17:53:33] (gradus): monkey muslims its our muslims from kaukas
[17:53:41] (Luther): but please dont take out the raw humour and anti PC jargon
[17:53:49] (gradus): not european muslims
[17:54:46] (ROKKEBOL): ]
[17:55:09] (Kopaka): yea when it gets too bad it does drive ppl away,
[17:55:16] (Kopaka): so need a line somewhere
[17:57:46] (Mira): sorry for hardcore off topic.... i know its weird as long is elma
[17:57:52] (ROKKEBOL): 3. Bjenn 1:04:87
[17:57:58] (Mira): related ... but drove 54:47 Jaws pr :D :D yes
[17:58:11] (p-skript): nice! up rec pls
[17:58:21] (Luther): mira gz!
[17:58:30] (Mira): :))))
[17:58:50] (Mira): i update on elmastats and can upload the rec aswell i guess
[17:58:53] (Mira): thx
[18:01:06] (Thunder): This really ruined my day. No wonder i never play this game onlin
[18:01:08] (Thunder): e.
[18:01:17] (iltsu): buuhuuuu
[18:01:25] (Bjenn): OMG LEAVE! JESUS MAN
[18:01:41] (Luther): maybe thundr- can come back
[18:01:42] (Thunder): I will leave when they get a ban :d
[18:01:42] (Bjenn): i cant stand hearing you talking
[18:02:04] (Thunder): So i get the heat because your friend is a racist?
[18:02:07] (Thunder): Weird.
[18:02:13] (iltsu): pls
[18:02:25] (Bjenn): stop abusing the racist card
[18:02:35] (Thunder): Its not a card.
[18:02:45] (Bjenn): it doesnt mean much nowadays
[18:02:48] (ROKKEBOL): are you sjw thunder?
[18:03:14] (Thunder): We must have some rules.
[18:03:26] (Thunder): And if you break them, you pay the price.
[18:03:34] (Luther): high treason
[18:03:38] (Bjenn): go to some safe space, bye bye
[18:03:53] (Thunder): Funny.
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Post by ArZeNiK » 22 Dec 2019, 17:09

jblaze wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 16:00
i dont understand why the N word is such a huge deal (like a word "fuck" was to most of us when we were 5yo)
uhh it's a racial slur?
fuck is just a simple curse word, you don't really insult anyone by using it, it's just bad because (there is actually a lengthy discussion on why certain curse words are considered offensive im not gonna go into that)
the N word is insulting towards the blacks
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also, why to insult one man is less bad than insult some group?
the magnitude
also who says insulting one man isnt bad either
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Post by jblaze » 22 Dec 2019, 17:12

why niggas call themselves niggas then and are not being offended? its a synonym of "homie" imo
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Post by ArZeNiK » 22 Dec 2019, 17:15

jblaze wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 17:12
why niggas call themselves niggas then and are not being offended? its a synonym of "homie" imo
imo similar reason for why you let a friend mockingly insult you and mb you do the same but you would probably not like if anyone else did that
iirc this was already mentioned in this thread with a diff conclusion
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There are fundamental differences in the way men and women talk to each other. Women say compliments all the time (oh how lovely new hairstyle; wow look at that shirt) but they don't really mean what they say. Men insult each other all the time (hey fat bastard, get a job) but they don't really mean what they say.
although i used this exact thing in my explanation above
that's a gender-related prejudice. not all men are assholes and not all women are angels (on the outside)?
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Post by AndrY » 22 Dec 2019, 17:23

ArZeNiK wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 17:09
AndrY wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 16:31
also, why to insult one man is less bad than insult some group?
the magnitude
also who says insulting one man isnt bad either
hmm magnitude and what?

ofc insulting is always bad (when no joke)
but when its a game chat, where even no any niggers (sorry) then... its wierd imo:/

For example, why "stfu" is not insulting? Much more insulting than random niggers. mb ban half of players then?
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Post by ArZeNiK » 22 Dec 2019, 17:31

AndrY wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 17:23
hmm magnitude and what?

ofc insulting is always bad (when no joke)
but when its a game chat, where even no any niggers (sorry) then... its wierd imo:/

For example, why "stfu" is not insulting? Much more insulting than random niggers. mb ban half of players then?
it gives a negative image of the community
stfu is also insulting yes. not ban half of the players imo but those who are constant dicks and are lacking an ability to correctly express valid human emotions or just do it unfrequently enough such as these are foreshadowed by all the wrongdoings
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Post by kuchitsu » 22 Dec 2019, 18:03

Hmm, what kinda bothers me about the chatlog is that Thunder expressed zero sympathy even though Luther experienced a traumatic event. Seems very one-sided. Luther actually apologized and acknowledged that he went a bit far, but that meant nothing to Thunder. I think something along the lines of "I understand your pain but please don't let it bring the worst out of you" would have had a better effect.

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Post by AndrY » 22 Dec 2019, 18:10

ArZeNiK wrote:
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it gives a negative image of the community
not half but 2 at least (not luther and jon mean). didnt want to insult the community)
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Post by Orcc » 22 Dec 2019, 18:40

Well after the posting of the chat log this topic took a turn into a whole new direction. Talking about immigration brings up very strong feelings on both sides. Calling different ethnic groups with names does not help the cause, but also calling that a bannable offense sounds like North Korea. Of course you must be allowed to criticize how such a big issue is being handled by the governments. The feeling of safety is one of the biggest advantages of living in the Nordic countries and when you feel like it has been lost it is a big deal.

Also yes, it is very cultural how people behave. Did you know that in Iran if you go to court the testimony of one male witness is equal to two women witnesses? Or if a person has two children, a boy and a girl, the boy will inherit double the amount of the girl? These are normal things in Iran, so if you move from Sweden to Iran it will be hard as hell for you to adjust to these things. The same applies the other way - coming from the Middle East to Sweden where both genders have equal rights will seem like something that just is not right.
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Post by ArZeNiK » 22 Dec 2019, 19:50

Orcc wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 18:40
Well after the posting of the chat log this topic took a turn into a whole new direction. Talking about immigration brings up very strong feelings on both sides. Calling different ethnic groups with names does not help the cause, but also calling that a bannable offense sounds like North Korea. Of course you must be allowed to criticize how such a big issue is being handled by the governments. The feeling of safety is one of the biggest advantages of living in the Nordic countries and when you feel like it has been lost it is a big deal.
yeah immigration is quite the issue but the problems some of these immigrants are causing shouldnt be blamed/generalised on the race/religion itself but rather on the individual people themselves (maybe the culture also at least? but surely not "all moslems bad asdfg" imo)
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Lets ban Thunder, problems solved.
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 22 Dec 2019, 22:06

jblaze wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 16:00
i dont understand why the word nigger/nigga/neger is such a huge deal
Because it's a huge deal to a huge number of black people.

jblaze wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 16:00
what if zweq said that zamppe is offensive now and you cannot call him zamppe, because he is only zweq. and only zweq can call himself a zamppe.
If zweq did that, the only sensible and respectful thing to do would be to stop calling him zamppe and call him what he asks. Especially if he had a history of extremely negative feelings towards being called zamppe.

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Whenever this same topic arises the same couple freedom fighters (Pawq, Grace, Kopaka) arrive. How can you determine for everyone what's funny and what's not?
Really? You really wrote that? Yell "fuck negers" in your workplace, or on a train, or in a shop, and see if the 3 of us are the only ones to respond. Try writing it in a newspaper article and see if you don't get fired. Or try to write it online as a public figure and see if you don't end up discredited by all major organisations. I dare you.

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22 Dec 2019, 16:05
I feel bad for guys who cannot take and tell jokes such as those.
I feel bad for people who think that using offensive words for the fuck of it is more important than respecting other people's feelings.

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22 Dec 2019, 16:26
If we are a "tight knit group of people that consider every kuski a friend and can act accordingly", then surely we can exercise a little effort to make EOL a more pleasant place for everyone. Like if you were with a group of friends and one of them said "please don't use that kind of language around me", I think you would listen to him instead of bickering about it. Because you know that turning a small difference into a blown-out argument will ruin the mood for everyone, and your friendship is much more valuable to you than some silly word. It's a very small concession to make and it's worth it.
Couldn't express it better even if I tried. Why is it so hard to understand?!

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but when its a game chat, where even no any niggers
How do you know? What if there are some but don't talk because of stuff like this? What if there could be, but any that turn up are turned off by stuff like this? And, what if Thunder was black? Would you (and everyone else) change your mind then?

And watch the language. They're black people ffs, it's really not that hard.



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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by AndrY » 22 Dec 2019, 22:27

pawq wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 22:06
Really? You really wrote that? Yell "fuck negers" in your workplace, or on a train, or in a shop, and see if the 3 of us are the only ones to respond. Try writing it in a newspaper article and see if you don't get fired. Or try to write it online as a public figure and see if you don't end up discredited by all major organisations. I dare you.
really that a not obv question, diff ppl all over the world have diff opinions on it, so impsy to solve it here in elma lauta topic.
and here is not a workplace or major organizaton, and pos here:
1) dont care
2) or make a norm rule that if someone say "n..." -> he is surely banned.
3) or make a norm rule that if someone say bad words and insults too much -> he is surely banned.

But when there are not so many ppl in elma nowadays, is the reason to ban someone?
(reason: bad word not related no anyone here with probability 99%)


edit: really some ppl are for no bans, and some for clean language elma with ban for bad words. mb need some voting:/

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 22 Dec 2019, 22:44

AndrY wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 22:27
and here is not a workplace or major organizaton, and pos here:
1) dont care
2) or make a norm rule that if someone say "n..." -> he is surely banned.
3) or make a norm rule that if someone say bad words and insults too much -> he is surely banned.
There is a norm rule saying that offensive language will result in warnings and bans. And it does. Is using those words really so important and enjoyable for you that it's worth 1) offending people, 2) breaking rules and getting warnings and bans, and 3) provoking shitstorms? I beg you, take a minute to think about this question. Is it really worth it?

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Post by AndrY » 22 Dec 2019, 23:08

pawq wrote:
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Is using those words really so important and enjoyable for you that it's worth 1) offending people, 2) breaking rules and getting warnings and bans, and 3) provoking shitstorms? I beg you, take a minute to think about this question. Is it really worth it?
joke is shitstorm for who? for most players?

just imo, the question about saving elma community is more worth to think. And if bans for bad words will help, then oke:/
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Post by Ruben » 22 Dec 2019, 23:16

[16:49:58] (Luther): bjenn dont u also think its getting out of hand with all
[16:50:08] (Luther): camel caretakers and sand negers all over?
[16:50:17] (Luther): I was just robbed a couple of days ago and did u see
[16:50:26] (Luther): lamotte when he was in kronogarden lmao?
[16:52:34] (Bjenn): ok got new
[16:52:57] (Bjenn): dont have to use negers as name
[16:53:08] (Bjenn): but ye very out of hand, and yes I saw Kronogarden..
[16:53:13] (Luther): well I dont mean jungle negers and bongo negers
[16:53:16] (Luther): sand people then
[16:53:18] (Bjenn): wow feel bad for you :(
[16:53:43] (Luther): ye a group of cp teens


While we're at it, let's also be degrading towards people with cerebral palsy, because god knows they don't have it hard enough already. Imagine if I went around calling people I didn't like "Luthers" as if being like you is the worst thing ever. I don't imagine you'd think that was very nice.

I'm sorry you got robbed, Luther, but you are not making things any better by lashing out at every group you can think of. And please refrain from saying things like "sand negers" etc., it's just downright racist. Fair enough that the guys who robbed you were brown, but don't drag your own name through the dirt by using such expressions.

I get that those things were probably written while you were quite heated and not thinking straight, and that you probably already know all this. But these were my two cents anyway.
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 22 Dec 2019, 23:35

AndrY wrote:
22 Dec 2019, 23:08
joke is shitstorm for who? for most players?

just imo, the question about saving elma community is more worth to think. And if bans for bad words will help, then oke:/
I didn't mean that "jokes" are shitstorms, but they result in shitstorms... And it doesn't have to be bans. It's enough for people to be a bit considerate, or at least say "oke sorry" when somebody says they don't like it, instead of defending it pointlessly.

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I get that those things were probably written while you were quite heated and not thinking straight, and that you probably already know all this. But these were my two cents anyway.
Tbh Luther's response to the criticism was the best of all. Apologised a moment after and I haven't seen him arguing about it afterwards, even though he got a warning, and not the people arguing here. To me he's a few notches higher up when it comes to being mature and considerate.

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Post by Grace » 23 Dec 2019, 07:58

Can someone please explain to me what part of that chatlog is a joke? Now that it's been posted it's even clearer that it wasn't even intended as a joke, Luther just wanted free-reign to talk shit and be offensive without recourse. He was warned by two separate chat-mods in the space of a few minutes. That's pretty clear indication that this sort of chat is not welcome in EOL.

To be fair, gradus was equally offensive.
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Post by Orcc » 23 Dec 2019, 09:33

Oke you win, good luck with creating EOL a welcoming atmosphere for the zero newcomers by limiting the freedom of speech and thus getting the feeling that you're a better person than the other.
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Post by FinMan » 23 Dec 2019, 10:05

´? `¨´* im dont understand anything but seems to me like there is a ton of misunderstanding around here

yes its racist to say only black people can use the n-words, however you put it. it might still be sensible though, because reasons.

however, someone else (like luth etc in this case) using those same words is NOT innately racist unlike Thunder pointed out. an action is racist if the reason is skin color or whatever, it doesn't matter how anyone else feels like it. however, it does appear racist in 2019 to use those words, and it does hurt a lot of peoples feelings. i don't think we should use words like that in a community like ours, though I agree with Orcc in basically everything he said.

yes, we should try to prevent hurting someone else's feelings whenever possible (and especially when reasonable) but we can not base our ethics on that and only that.

I think acting like a god in a case like this (like Thunder with the "if you use that word you can leave" attitude bullshit without given authority to do so) is the most immature way to act in a case like this. For sure there are good points to both sides of this discussion, and a communication style similar to Thunders results in an one-sided conversation where in this case Thunder tends to go ad hominem and "i won't talk to you LOOOL" attitude instead of actually trying to argue with anything that makes sense or try to understand where the other guy is coming from.

In this very chat log though, I think Luther and GraduS especially are going way too far with the aggressive insult towards some groups of people. It doesnt mean we have to dismiss their opinions and what they actually have to say. I think there's some real truths into what they are trying to say, regarding the immigrant issue. afaik immigrants actually doing what Luther pointed out; telling swedes etc to get out of their hometowns, it's theirs now etc. And when the police don't seem to give a shit, what do you expect? Hugs and kisses? Not really. If a person feels like they are mistreated, they are going to turn into aggression, especially young men. It also seems like there's a huge pressure on to the policemen (and others in charge) to not act accordingly, they are basically forced to be racist towards white people in these places or otherwise there's going to be a bunch of collectivists on their asses, painting them as the bad guys.

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22 Dec 2019, 12:11
There are fundamental differences in the way men and women talk to each other. Women say compliments all the time (oh how lovely new hairstyle; wow look at that shirt) but they don't really mean what they say. Men insult each other all the time (hey fat bastard, get a job) but they don't really mean what they say.
although i used this exact thing in my explanation above
that's a gender-related prejudice. not all men are assholes and not all women are angels (on the outside)?
I don't think he's generalizing that though, you can look at a general trend and draw conclusions without saying everyone in those groups ever exactly behave the way explained for example. It's not prejudice, it's something that majority of women do differently than men and vice versa.

That argument is so dull that it's sad to see it time and time again. "The spoken language in Hungary is Hungarian" --> "NOT TRUE, THERE ARE POELPE WHO SPOKE OTHER LANUGAGE YOU ARE INCOREKT WHY YOU GENERALIZE THIS CONTRY MANS"...

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Post by Kopaka » 23 Dec 2019, 10:51

AndrY wrote:
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But when there are not so many ppl in elma nowadays, is the reason to ban someone?
(reason: bad word not related no anyone here with probability 99%)
Actually when we let offensive talk fly free in the chat that is causing people to leave the community, you may not notice cus there's not a big fuss made about it, but we know it for a fact. And if you're worried about the community, maybe instead of 40 replies in this topic, people should consider being active in the topics that are about elma.

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Post by ArZeNiK » 23 Dec 2019, 10:54

politics talk in 2020's eol yay!!!!!

too lazy to answer to literally all arguments here (mb later today) and also why would i since im 16 and i know nothing about life and should just shut up in a quiet corner secluded from all older generations
but
looking back at the chatlog convo, i think both sides were overeacting a bit
like i do understand thunders concerns about the quality of eol chat but that doesnt mean you instantly have to tell them to log off and warn them with bans. i remember telling/thinking about certain people the same (still not saying names) but i realised that situations like these can be more peacefully solved by simply a) tell them to be a bit more considerate if that works or b) maybe tell an amdin first about the offenses instead of spamming chat with "PLS BAN AND LOG OFF"? and block them meanwhile
and i do understand the swedemanses and graduses concerns about the danger of immigration and yes that is a very real problem that needs to be solved but there are better ways imo than namecalling and stuff. sadly you cant do much about it individually, it is government problem. but even if you had ways to try and help (mb there is idk) one of them is certainly not throwing around nwords and the like in a random gamechat. and that just worsens the atmosphere of said gamechat's game
in my conclusion: if everyone was a bit less radical about their opinions it would certainly assist in making eol a better environment

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 23 Dec 2019, 11:53

Orcc wrote:
23 Dec 2019, 09:33
limiting the freedom of speech
pathetic.

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Orcc wrote:
23 Dec 2019, 09:33
getting the feeling that you're a better person than the other
yeah, this too.
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Post by ArZeNiK » 23 Dec 2019, 12:49

Orcc wrote:
23 Dec 2019, 09:33
Oke you win, good luck with creating EOL a welcoming atmosphere for the zero newcomers by limiting the freedom of speech and thus getting the feeling that you're a better person than the other.
maybe there wouldn't be zero newcomers if the overall atmosphere of eol didn't scare them away
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by AndrY » 23 Dec 2019, 13:03

Really i wrote some wierd things there yesterday hmm
Will add some

Joke was about "log off" and such. Ofc nothing fun in stealing.

Just in some countryes "n.." is such far thing, that its used only for jokes. Really in rus "negr" is a norm word to call black man (at least was some years ago:/). Yea, mb pawq is right. In eng many black mans, also there are immigration probleme in some countries. So there its like an insult hmmm....

Hard to make an opinion about it. Me dont insult ppl, and ofc wouldnt want to see such community where insult is norm.
But where is the... between insult and joke? "u nab" is insult? "!lev 0" is?
Hmm imo yea:/ but depends on context
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 23 Dec 2019, 13:17

AndrY wrote:
23 Dec 2019, 13:03
But where is the... between insult and joke? "u nab" is insult? "!lev 0" is?
Hmm imo yea:/ but depends on context
Of course it's impossible to say in advance exactly what words will be found to be offensive or insulting. "u nab" can be expressed as either "haha u nab i rekt your time :P" or "you're a pathetic noob after playing the game for 10 years, what are you even doing here". The first would be extremely unlikely to be taken as an insult, and the latter would be the opposite. So no, of course we won't ban people for using the word "nab", but if someone uses it in a way that is deliberately offensive, then yes. Also, it's not like we throw bans left and right whenever somebody slips something. If you say something that somebody finds not nice and they tell you about it, you can just say "sorry np" and everyone will move on. Or you can say "I agree, fuck n**". But why?

Think back to how Bismuth got permanently turned off the scene because of everyone calling him a noob. Or how Zero got really annoyed and demotivated when people said "oh ffs not Zero again" whenever he joined a battle. If I remember correctly, both in the end posted on lauta about it, which was perhaps a bit of a wake-up call for many. But how many others also felt discouraged by EOL chat behaviour but never spoke out about it and just left quietly? Do we want Thunder to be the next one? I sure as hell don't, and as long as I'm mod, I'll help enforce rules that try to prevent it. It's not about unreasonably limiting people's freedom of expression, because that would also turn some off. It's about expecting, and requiring, respect from players towards others. And it has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Finally, yes, immigration is a big problem bla bla bla. But this thread is not at all about that. It's possible to have a completely civilised conversation about topics like this, as we have many times before, despite the negative feelings. Using racial slurs is both unhelpful and unnecessary, and will simply not be tolerated.

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by ArZeNiK » 23 Dec 2019, 15:04

ultimately it's not the word that's insulting, it's the context that counts. but still i'm pretty sure that luth and grad's respectively muslim Nwords and sand Nwords aren't really words that mark a positive approach. and imo some uses of nab osv can be definitely banned. but that needs mods full of correctness that actually understand the context and dont jump on everything that sounds insulting, yet do jump on things that don't sound insulting by the word, but really, they are
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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by pawq » 23 Dec 2019, 16:43

ArZeNiK wrote:
23 Dec 2019, 15:04
but that needs mods full of correctness that actually understand the context and dont jump on everything that sounds insulting, yet do jump on things that don't sound insulting by the word, but really, they are
Which is why every time a similar situation occurs, we read all relevant chatlogs (+ quite far back) and then discuss things and seek the opinion of every available mod :)

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Re: Foul language in EOL

Post by culinko » 23 Dec 2019, 17:40

I thought it doesn't need much effort to not be a racist asshole and be a decent human being, guess not.
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