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Level of moderation

Post by Kopaka » 21 Sep 2016, 20:49

From the Idea: upgrade forum software to Discourse or nodeBB topic. Didn't reply in there at first, since it was kind of off topic. But thought we could have a discussion about what level of moderation we should have.
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Kopaka wrote:[...] and some active mods.
Does anyone want to be a mod? And what should an active lauta moderator do in this day and age, enforce these rules with a strict hand?

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So my reason for bringing it up in that topic is because I'd like to see more active moderation. Mostly warning, maybe even removing, off topic posts (including those "I don't care about this topic" posts). In a chronological forum thread like we have here, a few off topic posts can so easily derail a topic. Most likely the last couple posts are those you remember when reading through a topic and you reply to those, if off topic you may even unwittingly continue the off topic-ness. And the actual conversation is all but forgotten. In a forum like reddit off topic can easier be hidden away and not disturb the conversation happening.

You may argue that there's not that much activity on lauta anyway, so a few offtopic posts is no big deal, might even spark some extra activity. But I believe that removing the bad posts will actually spark more conversation, because they are not derailed.

Then there's small things like illegal signatures etc. Getting such cleaned up just makes things a little more pleasant.

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by pawq » 22 Sep 2016, 02:46

I've been lautaing quite a lot recently (and caught up with the majority of posts since 2014) and I have to say that it ain't that bad.

Illegal sigs defo. Actually I think this is probably the biggest issue nowadays. But again, not all bad. Those stupidly massive team DAT sigs were removed and aside from the occasional double userbars most users abide. But this is one of the things that should be kept under control imo.

Another thing that needs moderation is statuses! A few days ago several people were still awaiting status updates.

As for off-topic posting... Dunno, it feels OK to me! I don't think an occasional babble ruins conversations and can't recall a topic going off-topic. Removing posts would imo feel like people removing comments from their posts on Facebook, as if they were ashamed to have them on their walls. Seems silly and can quite easily lead to tensions when ppl start arguing that relevant content was removed, it's obviously hard to draw a line. I think the only case when posts should be removed is when they're clearly offensive, verbally aggressive, nsfw, etc. Also maybe "lol" posts.

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Kopaka » 22 Sep 2016, 08:53

Well yeah it not that it's that bad, might mostly be those cases where someone is being offensive or overly negative that annoys me, people getting away with being a dick.

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by roope » 22 Sep 2016, 10:31

Too bad that apparently norm moderators can't edit user statuses, something I was looking forward to actively do.
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Madness » 22 Sep 2016, 14:24

Off-topic is not an issue, at least the discussion is on and it's not so dead here. Moderation should be moderate, or none, we are all adult people. I am strongly against deleting any posts, that's stupid. If anyone ever deletes any of my posts, I will simply not post here anymore. If off-topic is getting out of hand and OP is not happy about that, moderator should ask people to stop it and if they don't, then take action. We don't need a dictator here, we need a mod with common sense who is respected by the community.

I remember when Orcc became a mod and started to delete some messages, it was so silly and annoying. Instead of ":D" I had to write "Well, that was really funny." Point = ?
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by jblaze » 22 Sep 2016, 16:59

Madness wrote:Off-topic is not an issue, at least the discussion is on and it's not so dead here. Moderation should be moderate, or none, we are all adult people. (...) If off-topic is getting out of hand and OP is not happy about that, moderator should ask people to stop it and if they don't, then take action. We don't need a dictator here, we need a mod with common sense who is respected by the community.
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by pawq » 24 Sep 2016, 11:34

Madness wrote:Off-topic is not an issue, at least the discussion is on and it's not so dead here. Moderation should be moderate, or none, we are all adult people. I am strongly against deleting any posts, that's stupid. If anyone ever deletes any of my posts, I will simply not post here anymore. If off-topic is getting out of hand and OP is not happy about that, moderator should ask people to stop it and if they don't, then take action. We don't need a dictator here, we need a mod with common sense who is respected by the community.

I remember when Orcc became a mod and started to delete some messages, it was so silly and annoying. Instead of ":D" I had to write "Well, that was really funny." Point = ?
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Sunshine » 24 Sep 2016, 18:46

what if everybody started doing that? and also typing :( if the post was bad, place would be a mess, removing those makes lauta more readable when your ":D" comes with 20 lines of avatar and signature
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by culinko » 25 Sep 2016, 03:50

There should definitely be some moderation. I remember a handful of kuskis who would often ruin a topic for me and other people discussing there just because they were "bored". I totally agree with Kopaka.
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by gimp » 25 Sep 2016, 17:22

Maybe we should ask ourselves what the average number of posts per day is. On a normal day maybe 5? Sometimes there will be periods where that ":)" is the only thing posted in "replays and times" for 5 days straight. Moderating that level of activity is a bit silly to me, 5 posts a day probably couldn't ruin anything. since this is a very old school forum people are a bit set in there ways, more moderation would just upset the a big portion of the dwindling community that is left.

Perhaps I am unclear of what you wish to moderate? If it is moderating your perception of what constitutes off topic posts, then I would vote no on more moderating. However in a later post it seemed more like you just want to moderate your perception of what constitutes somebody being a dick, in which case I would need more information on what you feel being a dick is, or perhaps an example of somebody being a dick.
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by pawq » 23 Nov 2017, 17:38

Question:

Can moporators stick/unstick topics?

Also, roope posted some time ago that moporators can't edit user statuses. Is there any chance to add this permission to moporators?

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Orcc » 24 Nov 2017, 09:00

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by pawq » 24 Nov 2017, 12:37

Then the latter question gains even more weight: is it possible to change moporators' permissions?

The two things I mentioned are arguably the two parts of mopolauta that need "moderating" the most nowadays, and naturally with all 3 admins busy with life (and 2 of them almost entirely unreachable), that hardly ever gets done. I honestly believe it's killing the activity on lauta to a degree. For example, the GAA 2016 post is still sticky (over 9 months after the show now), but the GAA 2017 suggestions thread isn't, even though it was asked for 292 days ago...



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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Hosp » 24 Nov 2017, 13:47

Pawq, the hero we need, but don't deserve?
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Orcc » 24 Nov 2017, 19:33

Giving the sticky rights should be ez doable. About status editing I'm not totally sure, because then you would need partial access to the admin panel and moreover to the users. Well I suppose phpBB these days is quite advanced in restricting the rights to certain areas, but then again Mopolauta's version might not be very up to date.
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by SveinR » 3 Dec 2017, 13:20

I tried finding a setting to enable Moporators to change topics to sticky but to no avail.
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Kopaka » 3 Dec 2017, 20:39

wtf can moporators even do lol : D

(another reason to consider this)

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Lousku » 7 Dec 2017, 17:38

Now wategak is this, Sla locked one random tropic to test if lock button works?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9794

This kinda moderation is worse than no moderation.
then again i don't know anything
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Bjenn » 7 Dec 2017, 19:36

I think it was a fair moderation.

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Lee » 7 Dec 2017, 19:44

I like how Sla signed off as though his name wasn't already there twice.
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Re: Level of moderation

Post by Lousku » 7 Dec 2017, 19:53

Normally when moderators hev felt super enthusiastik, they hev moved tropics to trash lauta instead.

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by ribot » 7 Dec 2017, 20:34

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Not only very poor moderation but hypocritical too. It was a popular thread with replies from many people. It's very anal to call such a thing useless, and even being a person who himself created similar, less popular threads.

Kinda makes me feel all my efforts on lauta are a waste. I vote to remove Sla as moporator.

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Re: Level of moderation

Post by kuchitsu » 7 Dec 2017, 22:56

Moving a trash topic to trash is kinda like allowing people to continue posting trash. "Here, you can act retarded all you want, we'll even put it on display!". The true way to ruin the fun for them is to close it. Then they can't do anything.

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Post by ribot » 12 Dec 2017, 22:29

kuchitsu wrote:Moving a trash topic to trash is kinda like allowing people to continue posting trash. "Here, you can act retarded all you want, we'll even put it on display!". The true way to ruin the fun for them is to close it. Then they can't do anything.
like this guy: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=9584

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