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Re: New status for X

Post by Zweq » 15 Dec 2017, 12:38

We moporators don't give statuses, we only lock topics

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Re: New status for X

Post by danitah » 15 Dec 2017, 21:13

Tigro wrote:Pls give balazs15 some appropriate tag.

"Elma God" or something.
Just 'God' is fine.

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Re: New status for X

Post by Hosp » 16 Dec 2017, 01:22

I agree with Dani.
I say that there's no God sometimes but obv Balaszszs is God, but not in that way oke okee
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Re: New status for X

Post by Lousku » 16 Dec 2017, 07:49

I called him god in email once and he said please no.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?

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Post by Boomer » 16 Dec 2017, 11:23

Maybe The Creator or similar?
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Re: New status for X

Post by ribot » 11 Feb 2018, 22:26

jblaze - title holder
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Today the historical moment has finally come, for when the elma title has been crowned. There are many titles in this world, but only one elma title. It took almost two decades of acrossing and manically elastoing before the honour of a title has been available in the parallel dimension of the elma gods of which our ever evolving community dwells around came about to disclose such a heavenly fruit as what we now behold: the elma title.

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Re: New status for X

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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 30 Mar 2018, 13:43

If someone orka make a list of players with missing 35-38 mins club titles, please and I can set them. 39 mins is too easy nowadays but the old players can keep them.

Moporators need be up to date too of course.

Special titles are more problematic because I don't want to inflate them but for sure there are players who could deserve it. Is there any semi objective meters like number of GAAs or other remarkable results? I think you are not allowed to suggest yourself. But it's ok to make a list of players not having a special title who could have ;). And then maybe someone gets an idea of good title for someone else etc.

I was about to add "The" for balazs15 but looks like he got "Creator of Elasto Mania" already which is fine.

Markku could have "Markku" or "M".
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Re: New status for X

Post by Tigro » 30 Mar 2018, 23:05

Abula wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 13:43
Special titles are more problematic because I don't want to inflate them but for sure there are players who could deserve it.
Imo in such a small and pretty much closed community, more people having a special title would be completely fine.
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Re: New status for X

Post by pawq » 31 Mar 2018, 13:56

adi - 36mins club (from 38mins club)
FinMan - 36mins club (from Kuski!!!)
GRob - 36mins club (from Kuski!!!)

badyl - 37mins club (from Kuski)
jamppa - 37mins club (from Kuski)
Kiiwi - 37mins club (from 38mins club)
Mika_27 - 37mins club (from Kuski)
Thundr - 37mins club (from 38mins club)
York - 37mins club (from 38mins club)

darm - 38mins club (from Kuski)
Deestent - 38mins club (from 39mins club)
Dynamo - 38mins club (from 39mins club)
ExTeC - 38mins club (from Kuski)
Grlgth - 38mins club (from 39mins club)
Hosp - 38mins club (from Kuski)
Igge - 38mins club (from 39mins club)
jblaze - 38mins club (from Kuski)
Juish - 38mins club (from 39mins club)
roope - 38mins club (from Kuski)

AndrY - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Astral - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Coc0k - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Eddi_27 - 39mins club (from Kuski)
FugasCZ - 39mins club (from Kuski)
iltsu - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Jeppe - 39mins club (from Kuski)
k0xx - 39mins club (from Kuski)
korab_faf - 39mins club (from Kuski)
LeecH - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Mats - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Mika0r - 39mins club (from Kuski) - not sure if it's Mika, but both have location Sweden
nh - 39mins club (from Kuski)
pawq - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Riven - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Smygvild - 39mins club (from Kuski)
totem - 39mins club (from Kuski)
Uncle Milty - 39mins club (from Kuski)
ZeiZei - 39mins club (from Kuski)
zelter - 39mins club (from Kuski)


Also, not sure if Beginner kuskis can join teh clubs as well or if they have to become Kuskis first. If yes then:
alvin - 39mins club (from Beginner kuski) - not sure if it's the same alvin
Maric - 39mins club (from Beginner kuski) - not sure if it's the same Marci
TTechnik - 39mins club (from Beginner kuski)


Asked for a list - you got yourself a list :D


Abula wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 13:43
39 mins is too easy nowadays but the old players can keep them.
This I think is bullshit though. And not just because I'm currently in 39mins club. 39mins club has been a thing for many years, and it's been one of the reasons why people played for TT. Now suddenly saying "I, Abula, decided that since 2017 getting 39mins has been too easy so nobody will get that status any more" is unfair to say the least.

I'm sure a lot of people are looking forward to seeing these updated! Thanks in advance Abu :)

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Re: New status for X

Post by Kopaka » 31 Mar 2018, 16:39

Abula wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 13:43
Is there any semi objective meters like number of GAAs or other remarkable results?
This has total amount of GAA's though not updated for last couple years viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6626&p=228558

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Re: New status for X

Post by Zero » 1 Apr 2018, 09:55

Kopaka wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 16:39
Abula wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 13:43
Is there any semi objective meters like number of GAAs or other remarkable results?
This has total amount of GAA's though not updated for last couple years viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6626&p=228558
Last update must have been in 2012
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Re: New status for X

Post by Grace » 5 Apr 2018, 05:20

Yeah, last update 2012. I had to calculate manually for stats in this GAA just past but I doubt I still have the numbers I calculated.

re: 39 club

I don't think you can really make some good cut-off of when it became "too easy" or "old vs. new". Better to just give titles. It's like 1-3 new 39 clubs per year nowadays, seems like that's not absurdly easy

I mean in Pawq's list, one of the kuski's without 39 title is ZeiZei who was one of the first 5 to 39, right? There's plenty in there that were 39 club 10 years ago but never got titled (korab_faf, k0xx, Coc0k for example)
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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 6 Apr 2018, 18:00

Updated 3x mins club titles up to 38mins, thanks pawq! 39 mins is too easy nowadays
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Re: New status for X

Post by pawq » 7 Apr 2018, 10:26

Please tell me you're joking. Are you really going to ruin one of the coolest things in the community by some arbitrary "too easy" decision?

Thanks for updating the rest.

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Post by zebra » 7 Apr 2018, 11:15

My TT is 48.xx and for me 47.xx is nearly impossible so I wouldn't say that 39.xx is easy.
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Re: New status for X

Post by Grace » 7 Apr 2018, 11:37

Abula wrote:
6 Apr 2018, 18:00
39 mins is too easy nowadays
If going to be so lazy, give some other people admin so that they can handle it for you lol.
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Post by AndrY » 7 Apr 2018, 14:24

For some people 40 is impsy, for some 38 is ez. Imo its not right to say such things.

TT = 3x.xx is cool, bcz there is 3 in beginning. and for man, who improving times in internals, the border between 39.xx and 40.xx is the most significant imo. To have 3x.xx TT is the goal in internal hoyling for many mans i think.

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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 7 Apr 2018, 14:50

When 39mins club was started to be given in 2002, there was only one player (dz). In the end of 2006 there were 56 which was already too many to have a special title. Now there are 127. The point of special title is that it's special. If everybody has it, it's not special anymore. Even 38mins club seems to be very common today (67).

For example pawq and Zebra aren't known by their internalist merits but the great work for the community. I suggest "Rescuer" for pawq and Zebra for their efforts to save the most important data (total times, battle results, levels).
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Re: New status for X

Post by pawq » 7 Apr 2018, 15:18

Abula wrote:
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I suggest "Rescuer" for pawq and Zebra for their efforts to save the most important data (total times, battle results, levels).
And I suggest that you listen to the opinion of the community that you supposedly care so much about.

It would perhaps be OK to say something like "from 2018-04-07 39mins club will not be awarded to maintain it special status for the previous achievers blabla". But I achieved 39mins club last year, and there are people on that list who achieved it many years ago. The only reason why they don't have the status is that all the admins were inactive/orkaed. Nobody's complaining about this, because we all have lives, but if you're now active again and willing to do something for the community, it would be very nice of you if you caught up with the backlog of achievements from the years of your inactivity.

As AndrY said, it's really fucking special to achieve 3xmin tt. People post about it everywhere with lots of exclamation marks and they get grats from all over the place. It was really fucking special for me too. It IS a big achievement, and will never cease to be. It may be easier now than it used to be (duh), but in a community that runs on nostalgia, devaluing one of the most epic achievements, because of one admin's whim and against the will of the community, is a very mean thing to do.

I really think you'll change your mind Abula. If you love this community, then please do.

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Post by bene » 7 Apr 2018, 17:05

I agree with Pawq. It's fine to decide it's too bad but some of these achievements are years old and they expected a reward for it and have been waiting for it patiently just deciding it now is not oke.
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Re: New status for X

Post by Zweq » 7 Apr 2018, 19:09

i would argue that some of those ppl never getting 39mins club got 39tt ten years ago when it was less easy
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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 7 Apr 2018, 22:06

I read first time that someone actually cares this much about generic titles as 3xmins club. I have no idea about the community's opinion but probably the 39mins mans support it. You can create a poll and if a vast majority supports your view, I guess it can be handled.

In general I would like to see a bit more polite critique, "to do something", I have used 600h+ for this article in last 6 months so it's something yes. And I'm paying 50e every month to keep this forum online (+ Moposite and some other sites).

Update: I'm pretty sure that no one played because of the title, it's a bonus
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Re: New status for X

Post by edahl » 8 Apr 2018, 00:26

i have nothing but respect for you Abula, but i must agree with pawq here. the day i get 39 if ever i'm buying champagne

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Re: New status for X

Post by roope » 8 Apr 2018, 00:58

The article is of course a huge project and you deserve all the credit and appreciation for your hard work on it, but it doesn't fully negate years of ignoring more acute problems like Mopolauta administration or not answering questions about transferring wr table to someone who would actually be more eager to handle it more actively (yes it's px who does wr table but you're pretty much the only one that can talk to him about it. He's picked up the slack now again but there have been times it's looked really bad.), or even getting a helping hand to fix Moposite problems. I think it still had potential to be an important hub for Elma things a few years ago but now it's pretty much dead.

I haven't yet seen anyone disagree with the notion that 39tt titles should be given in the discussions I've read on Discord - pretty much everyone agrees that it should be given or doesn't have a strong opinion either way. It really is much easier than back in the day, but it's still THE minute break most players look forward to. It's just a sick nice thing and pro feeling if your tt starts with a 3. I was more glad about going under 40 than going under 39, even though that doesn't make sense in the context of hardness of the achievement.

Also it does just feel a bit whimsical for someone who has not been actively following the scene for ages to suddenly decide that it's too easy and be sure no one plays for the title and stuff. I'd say at least I really looked forward to getting 39tt title for sure.

Now this big backlash might be a bit disproportionate to the size of the issue (lauta titles are far from the most important issue in the scene), but it's important to have this discussion because it seems there is a bit of a disconnect between Abu who is still one of the most powerful figures in the scene and holds many cards, and the people to whom elma is part of their daily lives.
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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 8 Apr 2018, 06:49

You don't have to follow the scene for years to understand that 39mins is much easier now. And after doing the 600h research I guess I'm quite well on the map again, at least in the big picture level. I'm not trying to negate any work not done in previous years. No one owes here anything, especially not the people who have worked for others in great degree at some point. Only constructive and positive attitude can keep them/us to work more, maybe.

There is a better topic for WR table discussion. I don't really know what are the questions not being answered so if there are still something left, keep on in the poll topic.

Days of Moposite being the hub are behind unless some new co-op will born. I'm planning to do something else after article is out.

I added the 39mins titles now. :beer: Skipped alvin and "Maric" because not sure and doesn't really matter if they never post anything.

ps. also changed my own rank to more neutral, MASTER was a joke 10+y ago
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Re: New status for X

Post by Lukazz » 8 Apr 2018, 09:42

This discussion got surprisingly heated surprisingly fast, but in general I agree with pawq & co.
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Re: New status for X

Post by pawq » 8 Apr 2018, 13:10

Thank you Abula, I really appreciate it. I didn't get a chance to post before you updated these, but I wanted to add to the last couple of posts and reiterate what I said in my first post about this, that we are not complaining about your lack of work or anything like that, and we are absolutely full of respect. I didn't want to mention the Article because I didn't want it to turn into a "is Abula good or bad" discussion. I think it's fair to say that most people in the community are amazed by your work on the Article, that certainly includes me, but I treated this topic as a separate issue on purpose.

I hope you didn't find my posts overly negative. I did my very best to stay as constructive as possible, bringing up the arguments I could think of. I think the discussion grew "heated", as Lukazz put it", because the statuses are important, contrary to what some have suggested. I think anyone who has ever crossed into the 3xmins club knows what a special feeling it is. It would be wrong, unnecessary and cruel to take it away, so I'm very very very glad that you listened to the community's voice Abula.

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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 8 Apr 2018, 14:47

Just a reminder for ppl including myself when being overly negative for humour reasons or just when being a sharp critict: it's discouraging to read impolite texts when you feel like you have done good job for others and deserve something else. I've noticed that many organizers have also experienced it and said fuckit. There are several ppl who have worked 1000h+ for the community, it's not only Balázs. The same things happen also in real life: you want to get some respect even if you are paid for the work, let alone when working for free. It's difficult issue because of course critique is good and needed but let's try to be constructive. I don't expect anything else than some manners, no need for extra praise etc. Peace and thanks.

ps. there isn't some "unconditional love" that makes me stay here or owe community something. I'm here because it's fun and interesting and when it's not, I'm away and someone else can do what they want. Like everybody else. If my inactivity causes something unfair for others, it's not my fault, it's just bad luck.
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Re: New status for X

Post by Grace » 8 Apr 2018, 16:04

I do want to let this lie as I think it reached a reasonable and well discussed conclusion (if a little heated). That said, I want to draw attention to a few extra points, and potentially steer the discussion into a healthier direction.
Abula wrote:
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When 39mins club was started to be given in 2002, there was only one player (dz). In the end of 2006 there were 56 which was already too many to have a special title. Now there are 127.
The numbers here are -roughly- correct of course (although I won't comment on "too many to have a special title").

That said, like previously noted, some players such as ZeiZei (who achieved 39mins club just a few months after dz did. His most recent TT update on moposite is june in 2003, which was sometime after his initial minute break) never had the title despite being active on this forum for a while. This is important for the reason that Zweq stated:
Zweq wrote:i would argue that some of those ppl never getting 39mins club got 39tt ten years ago when it was less easy
Nobody here disagrees that breaking 40tt now is easier with current styles than it was then. Hell, I did it and it seems like if I was playing regularly there's at least a further minute or maybe even two that I could take off - and I'm not even close to the player that ZeiZei was. That said, I'd almost go so far as to say the ease in achieving 39tt hasn't progressed much in many years, as the vast majority of new styles discovered are too difficult for people who are aiming for simply 39tt to achieve. (andry had already pointed this out). It's also interesting that four of the people who commented against the idea of this change are four of the most recent people to have achieved 39tt and be awarded the title. (Myself, roope, Andry and Pawq).

That said, for many of us that have been in the community for long periods of time (Pawq and I are good examples of this) without having achieved that goal, it was a big fucking deal for us. I don't think the importance of that title has dwindled due to the relative "ease" of achieving it nowadays.

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@Abula I'm not sure if you've seen RWhiteGoose's SpeedLore Youtube series or not. It's got interesting parallels to elma and he's documenting the history of Goldeneye's community and competition in a similar way to your article (although with his personal twist on it). While it's many hours long and I don't expect you to watch it unless you want to, one thing that is interesting to note is how similar the goldeneye community is to elma in many ways. I'd like to draw a comparison

It's an old game, with many fantastic players over a 20 year lifespan, intricate histories on every single official level, huge personalities, and a thriving community, and very importantly; that community is vital to the survival of the game as a competitive environment. This is all the same in elma. Goose talks at one stage about how the Elite community (their equivalent of lauta) has held on to their 20 years of accumulated "culture", history and habits until even today. New World Records are still posted in the same threads as they were in 2001, the old interactions are still there to be viewed and are truly important to the community.

The reason that I bring this up is that I'm drawing a parallel to this. While you might not have drawn the importance to something as absolutely frivolous as a custom title on this board, the community absolutely does. Further, the community HAS drawn that importance for more than 15 years now, and it's become part of the wonderfully rich elma history that you are so lovingly documenting.

I'm sorry you felt attacked by the responses in this thread over the past few days - I think perhaps some were overboard or a little condescending, although I understand the sentiments. It does feel a little bit shocking to think that something you view as an important part of lauta's history and custom is potentially being thrown away so easily and for such a reason. roope put it as "whimsical" and I think that was a choice word to describe how it appeared to me. That said, you are as much a human person as anyone else, and you shouldn't feel unappreciated in this community. You aren't unappreciated in this community. :)
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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 8 Apr 2018, 18:33

ZeiZei was a mistake then, I don't really remember how this procedure has been worked out in the past. Cool to hear there are other gaming communities having similarities to Elma. Watched the video for a while.
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Re: New status for X

Post by Lukazz » 8 Apr 2018, 19:50

Thanks for changing the titles Abula, it's really nice that all these missing statuses were finally awarded!
I also think that keeping the "3x mins club" tradition alive could help a little to revive internal activity a little bit, apart from the handful of kuskis wo play to get WRs. While certainly noone is playing internals just to get a special status on mopolauta, it's still a nice motivation boost. I remember how freaking awesome it was when I finally cut those last seconds and got a 39TT for the first time. Although it was ten years ago and styles may have made it a little easier, I think it's still a very special achievement.

(EDIT: Just went through some of my old posts on the "Announce a limit break" thread. I posted about joining the 39 mins club in October 2006. Fuck that's a long time ago...)
TT: 36:59:53 || Avg TT: 38:09:65

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Re: New status for X

Post by Zweq » 8 Apr 2018, 20:59

no club felt special, but 34tt will feel if i live long enough :)
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Re: New status for X

Post by Hosp » 9 Apr 2018, 13:33

Abula needs to get MASTER again, appropiate title imo
also thanks now i have a title too, like zweq has cool title
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Re: New status for X

Post by Bludek » 9 Apr 2018, 14:48

I just have to add, 39TT was also much cooler for my than 38TT. And it will be cooler than 37TT, if I'll ever go for ints again.

39TT in my head means, that you have learned how to play every internal in the game and undrestood most of the tricks used there. And it's up to each and every kuski if they want to go deeper through the rabbit hole and try old-WR styles and after that the sickest and newest styles possible. It is still one of the most important achievements, imo. I am not saying, it is the hardest thing ever to achieve for decently active kuski/battler these days, but your post: "Updated 3x mins club titles up to 38mins, thanks pawq! 39 mins is too easy nowadays" sounded so careless about it (maybe because it was so short and you didn't bring any reasoning), that I am not surprised it brought heated reactions.

(on a similar topic: because of the same reasoning I dislike int targets to be top10, top20, etc. but rather static targets like they are now. It feels like you achieved something in this stupidly amazing little game and noone can take it away from you)

I very much agree with:
Haruhi wrote:the vast majority of new styles discovered are too difficult for people who are aiming for simply 39tt to achieve
btw your TT of 40:02,71, Abu, is really wtf thing to my :) It really shows that u truly don't care about having 39TT at all :bear:

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Re: New status for X

Post by Abula » 9 Apr 2018, 16:03

Bludek wrote:
9 Apr 2018, 14:48
btw your TT of 40:02,71, Abu, is really wtf thing to my :) It really shows that u truly don't care about having 39TT at all :bear:
It would be coal but more important would be passing Tisk or skint0r - maybe one day. There is always something more important to do like the article. But what is lol is that my marathon record is 4:00,02 :). Moposite v4 too. Four is my number.
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Re: New status for X

Post by pawq » 9 Apr 2018, 17:51

Bludek wrote:
9 Apr 2018, 14:48
(on a similar topic: because of the same reasoning I dislike int targets to be top10, top20, etc. but rather static targets like they are now. It feels like you achieved something in this stupidly amazing little game and noone can take it away from you)
This is exactly the reason why I was so strongly against changing the old targets and for just adding new ones.


Hosp wrote:also thanks now i have a title too, like zweq has cool title
nice throwback there :D

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Re: New status for X

Post by Spef » 9 May 2018, 17:50

34 mins club please :bear:
[10:47:49] (Hosp) tol thinks that all there is in life is a gf, status, money blabl
[10:48:19] (ANATOLIY) not all hosp =)
[10:48:29] (ANATOLIY) but elma must be at second screen

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Re: New status for X

Post by SveinR » 9 May 2018, 17:59

Spef wrote:
9 May 2018, 17:50
34 mins club please :bear:
Done! And najs :beer:


Also did Tm -> 37mins club
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Re: New status for X

Post by Tigro » 11 May 2018, 12:52

SveinR wrote:
9 May 2018, 17:59
Spef wrote:
9 May 2018, 17:50
34 mins club please :bear:
Done! And najs :beer:
John has "first 35tt", so doesn't Spef deserve something similar? Or will it get implemented after more than one kuski broke 35 mins?
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Re: New status for X

Post by AndrY » 19 May 2018, 10:49

38
Please, change lauta :bear: design.
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Re: New status for X

Post by Ecchi » 12 Jun 2018, 21:19

39 club
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Re: New status for X

Post by Chris » 9 Jul 2018, 15:20

Lousku wrote:
16 Dec 2017, 07:49
I called him god in email once and he said please no.
You dont know anything! 8O
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