Iraq vs. USA

Juk · Post by **Juk** » 19 Mar 2003, 18:14

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magicman · Post by **magicman** » 20 Mar 2003, 09:16

THE WAR HAS NOW BEGUN !!!
that's not good...

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 20 Mar 2003, 10:05

bombs away peple, boi arnt i glad i live on the other side of the world, the only thing that will get me here is my mum wen she finds out that im up this late

Bonobo · Post by **Bonobo** » 20 Mar 2003, 12:12

I don't understand why people is that stupid. (Bush and his other asses)
UN rule: Don't attack any land or anything if it isn't self-defence. USA have started more than 200 attack since 1945, but never been attacked themselves...

Why didn't the American planes go up the 11 sept, as they always do when a plane looses its course.

They got order to NOT do that.

Bonobo · Post by **Bonobo** » 20 Mar 2003, 12:22

Ky.Jelly wrote:drop donuts not bombs
feed the peple dont kill them

Thats right, it will be much cheaper and better.

Post by **SveinR** » 20 Mar 2003, 16:32

You say the US has never been attacked...remember 11th September 2001? I guess do do 'cause you mentioned it right afterwards. Anyway, I don't condone of the war actions, but I don't know enough about their strategys and whatever to totally bash it.

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 20 Mar 2003, 19:00

9/11 was an attack by a group of psychos, not a country. And definately not Iraq.

Juk · Post by **Juk** » 20 Mar 2003, 19:29

what do think is the personal reason for bush to make war?

Help to organisations in usa (oil and stuff)

Help to usa (oil)

Help to usa (defence)

Help to usa (power and influence)

Help to iraq (democracy)

Help to world (kick saddam)

Anti terror war

To make people forget how he actually controls his own country (people loves a winner)

he dosent really care about iraq but he is president

He think that its the will og god

something else?

all these reason can ofcurse be mixed. for example could "help to world" be a mix of getting rid of sadam, getting democracy in iraq and anti terror war. basiclly i would like to what good to bush thinks that the war does?
hope someone have an idea

Post by **SveinR** » 20 Mar 2003, 19:45

zworqy wrote:9/11 was an attack by a group of psychos, not a country. And definately not Iraq.

I didn't mention countries did I? And neither did you, in that context.

Juk, this war won't help USA in an economic way at least. And I doubt it really will help USA in any other ways either, except for maybe oil.

Juk · Post by **Juk** » 20 Mar 2003, 20:16

well i guess oil and money is kind of the same.

The way the war can help usa economicly is becuase they have so much oil. When iraq dont have the same control of their oil usa could get some kind of monopoly. When iraq dont can sell its oil there would be lesser countries to buy oil from. Since fewer people sell oil so the prices of oil will increase and the nations with oil wil get more money every time they sell some. Or atleast thats what i heard. i dont know much about oil economics but i do know that its very complicated. The war will proberly give usa more control of the oil trades around the world.

Post by **SveinR** » 20 Mar 2003, 21:23

But the war will also cost the USA a_lot_ of money, and they already have a bad economy.

Juk · Post by **Juk** » 20 Mar 2003, 22:05

I dont know if the war costs more than the oil gains, but since bush can say that usa earn more on oil, and that the money lost during the war would be lost anyway cause the war was nessesary ,it will look like he actually is good at controling the economic in usa, and actually he failed in that

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 21 Mar 2003, 09:54

Does ANYONE think U.S.A. is doing the right thing?

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 21 Mar 2003, 13:08

zworqy wrote:Does ANYONE think U.S.A. is doing the right thing?

not me

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 21 Mar 2003, 15:03

zworqy wrote:Does ANYONE think U.S.A. is doing the right thing?

its not the usa only, it britain, spain and portugal as well, and other countries are helping in little ways, eg australia and france,

i think they may as well do it now, if not its going to happen in a few years anyway, no seems as good a time as any

Post by **SveinR** » 21 Mar 2003, 15:09

Zworqy, we'll see. If they get rid of Saddam and his regime without too many casualties, it's of course good, but still bad that they had close to no respect for the UN.

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 21 Mar 2003, 15:12

when troops went into to kosovo to have a war there it was NOT a UN sanctioned and kno one said a fuken thing, no just caus the americans are involved theres all sorts of protests and shit,

were these peple protesting wen pakistan and india were at war,

i think not,

some peple should just sit down and shut up, its not kool to only believe in something wen it suits you,

magicman · Post by **magicman** » 21 Mar 2003, 18:42

zworqy wrote:Does ANYONE think U.S.A. is doing the right thing?

Well it's good that they take Sadam away his so stupid, killed many etc...
And IF they have this bio-wepon it's not good( how did they get them, well around the Cold War and Kuwait war -91 it was alot Kemical shit research etc.. Russian & USA was doing that... some sourse is saying only Russian had things that could kill the earth 6 times...
well if they heave it's good that they take it..

But I HATE USA!!, why coulnt they w8 more for FN?
They mostley want the oil i bet!
They think they are mighty!
Many ppl will die... (cus of Sadam, Oil and MAYBE bio-kemical-wepons:\

Bonobo · Post by **Bonobo** » 21 Mar 2003, 23:02

This is kind of scary...
Everyone here is Elmers and almost everyone here is smart and have got good arguments. The best would be if everyone in the world started playing elma then...

and stopped bombing and killing peoples!

Bonobo · Post by **Bonobo** » 21 Mar 2003, 23:11

I don't understand the arguements for attacking Iraq.

-Take Saddam out.
-They may have bio-chemical weapons and may attack USA. No weapons found. Instead of taking the chance of being bomb, you bomb them out.
Every other state got bio-chemical weapons, but Iraq killed 5000 of their own habitants some ten years ago.
-Being hated of all over the world (except of the stupid peoples).
-And everything else.

Have you heard of Mike Strikes back, he's looking if USA have any bio-chemical weapons. But he got stopped at the ports.

DacBitch · Post by **DacBitch** » 22 Mar 2003, 11:59

go saddam go!!

GuyB · Post by **GuyB** » 22 Mar 2003, 12:57

I have a feeling that I will be flamed for this but here goes..

I am for the war. I believe it is the right choise.

12 years ago Iraq went into kuwait. His own top-scientists ( who later fled and now live in different countries ) say that he was less than 3 months away from completing the nuclear bomb back then. They also had knowledge of his nerve-gas storages, which were huge.

An assasination-attempt on his life was conducted some years back. The people who were behind ( in collaboration with the israeli MOSAD )it were from a town with 12000 inhabitants ( I donÂ´t remember the name of the town ). The assasinists failed. ( they ALMOST took out one his doubles, of which he has quite a few ) .. Today this town is no more. It has been levelled and the majority of the people who lived there were killed.

The kurds who revolted against him ( after the GULF-war, encouraged by the american president ) were butchered with nerve-gas.. He killed thousands upon thousands of his own people
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90 % of the iraci population live in deep powerty. One of my closest friends worked in Bagdad 3 months ago. He has told me that he saw people live in houses without roofs, on the street, die of hunger and dispair.
A normal coca cola ( in a can ) costs 0,75 $ in irac. The average iraci citizen earns 40 $ pr month.. the general prices are around 25 % lower then in denmark ( which are roughly the same as the rest of europe and USA ) ..
Furthermore, to get this "high" income people work 12-16 hours a day.. at least...
This is done solely for one reason.. If your people are excausted, there is less change for them to revolt.

Saddam Hussain has butchered his own people ever since he got to power. He has sent his own country into two senceless wars ( Iran and Kuwait ). He oppresses his own people. Thousand upon thousands are killed, just because he is scared that they could somehow make him loose power.

After the war with Kuwait, many resolutions were made.. Some stated that he had to let UN-inspectors search his country for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. He later kicked the inspectors out of Irac, and systematically obstructed them in their work, while they were there.
He has basically been in contemt of these resolutions ever since he agreed upon them.
The inspection team who was in Iraq, prior to the war we have now, is Hans Blix. His team found thngs that Iraq werenÂ´t supposed to have, ad things that didnÂ´t exist, according to the list of weapons provided by Irac. On this list more than 2000 liters of nerve-gas has mysteriesly disappeared. Other things are also unaccounted for.
Hans Blix himself, when asked if he thought that Irac was hiding weapons of mass-destruction said . "I am almost sure of that"and then he laughed

I am not a fan of war in any way. It should be the last choice.
It brings death and dispair in its path

BUT

Saddam hussain has brought it for some many years already, and will continue to do so, as long as he is in power.
USA, BRITTAIN and DENMARK has sent troops to Irac. They are now trying to remove saddam. If you listened to what many refugees say when you talk to them ( if you have ever tried it yourself ) they want saddam removed. They DESPERATLY want him removed....

The perfect scenario would have been that USA didnÂ´t back out after the war in kuwait. They should have helped the kurds as they intended in the beginning. This would have removed saddam many years ago.
I know that USA supporded the insurtion of him when he came to power, and the have even provided weapons to him while he was fighting Iran.. I donÂ´t think that everything they do is right, and true.. NOT AT ALL, but... To remove saddam is needed... NOW. and it should have been done a long time ago

The war isnÂ´t about oil. OPEC is the organisation who decides the prize of oil, not USA. OPEC has declared that the price on oil wonÂ´t change during the war. When the war is over OPEC will still be the orginasation who decides the prize on oil, NOT USA.
The income from iraci oil, will after the war go to a fund. This funds sole purpose is to rebuild and improve Irac.. The americans wonÂ´t benefit from iraci oil-money

... I could go on for days concerning this subject... but this was just a brief insight in my opinion..
if you feel the need, plz.. go right ahed and flame me

GuyB[rdk]

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 22 Mar 2003, 23:26

i fully agree with you guyb
the only concern i have is that the americans(and allies) will do another half as job like as you mentioned in kuwait years ago,

they have had many a chance to take out suddam in the past its just that some high level politition has dropped his saks at the last minute, this could have been prevented years ago, but wasnt so i think these are the measures the world has to take

chux · Post by **chux** » 23 Mar 2003, 16:17

Im against war in general, but this one was gonna happen whether people protest or not.
Seems like it'll happen sooner or later , so if it happens now, at least we know how it'll turn out...!

onlainari · Post by **onlainari** » 25 Mar 2003, 13:05

oh no,edit. the page is down ..ill add the thing here I was meant to

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 25 Mar 2003, 17:34

do you still think that in 11/9 was usa attacked by terrorists?
i bet they made it themselves

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 26 Mar 2003, 05:52

onla that is some wack shit
only a couple of good frenchmen, one of them we are priviliged enuff to have him make mean as stuff

jw · Post by jw » 3 Apr 2003, 03:12

GuyB, I'm not for or against the war, I just don't know. But you said Sadam killed so many people, so do you think there would be more deads when he stayed in power then now? All the civilians killed, maybe Sadam will use chemical weapons (if he has them) or there will be a civil war after the USA is finished. I don't know, but I think it depends on how good the americans try to solve the problem, I'm afraid they will just make war and after that, the Iraci's will never here of them again and they're gone for ever. (After that Iraci's will maby only earn $20 a month, since the beginning of the war the prices for food are doubled, cos transportation cost 5 times more, because of the risks of being shot/ killed by american cowboys, who want to shoot on all moving cars)

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 22 Apr 2003, 10:52

The war is more or less over now. Saddam's statue has been torn down.

So how long will U.S.A. stay in Iraq? Will they attack Syria now?

And where the %Â¤#& is Saddam??

jw · Post by jw » 22 Apr 2003, 12:03

Is this a poll?

2fast · Post by **2fast** » 23 Apr 2003, 15:09

I don`t understand-is Saddam giving up without a big battle

Post by **SveinR** » 23 Apr 2003, 15:21

Ehh what does he have to battle with?

2fast · Post by **2fast** » 23 Apr 2003, 16:21

maybe some camels.

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 23 Apr 2003, 22:27

He hasn't given up, he has fled and is hiding somewhere like the coward he is.

2fast · Post by **2fast** » 25 Apr 2003, 17:33

problably escaped to some other country

WkE · Post by **WkE** » 25 Apr 2003, 23:46

does anyone know from where can i get the iraqi wanted leaders play-cards ? those from the CNN... I want them !

Iraq vs. USA

My opinion