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Post by Ky.Jelly » 3 Nov 2003, 02:21

...is an illusion...

ive been thinking bout it lately, and things dont happen for a reason, they happen cause they occured due to another force, decision, or happening

ne one agree?, its a philosophical question...
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Post by jw » 3 Nov 2003, 03:01

I agree this:
Ky.Jelly wrote:things dont happen for a reason, they happen cause they occured due to another happening

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Post by bob » 3 Nov 2003, 06:41

Ky.Jelly wrote:...is an illusion...

ive been thinking bout it lately, and things dont happen for a reason, they happen cause they occured due to another force, decision, or happening

ne one agree?, its a philosophical question...
well the 'other force' is a 'reason'
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Post by chux » 3 Nov 2003, 13:29

Bullplop

Why does there need to be a reason? And what/who has the right to say what I can do?
Something will happen cos you, or someone else does it.
OMG I got run over today, I obviously wasnt supposed to live! Err...no. I walked out into the road just before a big ass truck hit me. My fault, not fate
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Post by petsen » 3 Nov 2003, 16:57

I believe fate takes you to a certain point and from there u have to do the rest yourself
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Post by magicman » 3 Nov 2003, 17:10

our way is done allready.. (btw ramone topic)
well what if jazz havent been found, would we have music today? if not that bullet in wolrdwar2 had hit that guy would i still be here? etc :P
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Post by Ky.Jelly » 3 Nov 2003, 21:37

the fact that outside factors influence the natural course of life, is only in itself natural. there is no fate but what we make. but is that entirely true? our destiny is not only up to us, no matter how much we would like it to be. is destiny the right word to use? or would a term such as "lifes path" be better?

in all sometimes fate is the only explanation that comes to mind for circumstances that we cannot understand. it is an excuse that is widely used to comfort ones desire to know WHY something occured. however it is used to loosely.

what about an example where you are "destined" to be king? some countries (not england as such) have royal families that still rule. if u are the first born son, it will be said that it is ur fate to be king, whether u are or not...
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Post by chux » 3 Nov 2003, 22:52

Thats not fate...thats being born into royalty! Whether or not thats good luck is debatable, but that's all it is.
Fate is used as an excuse too often. "I don't understand why ___ , it must be fate" No...how about co-incidence, or maybe consequence?
Life has no path...
Hmm, dont get me started on God...
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Post by jw » 4 Nov 2003, 11:23

chux wrote:What?? Why do those guys get in when I asked right after all the spaces were taken? Surely I should get a place!
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That's your fate...
(Probably God want to punish you for something.) :twisted:

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Post by Dyrox » 4 Nov 2003, 12:07

I believe that what happens is meant to happen...
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Post by chux » 5 Nov 2003, 01:35

lol, yeah, ok, God wants to punish me...that would explain a lot

really it doesnt matter if things were meant to happen or not. We can make choices, but we can only choose one. Therefore that one choice could be the thing you are are destined to choose...or it could be your random desicion as chosen by your magic 8-ball.
Either way, the same thing will happen.
I guess that's what i mean by fate not being real. Its not so much that i dont belive in it, just that it doesnt matter either way, so it may as well not.

Same with religion.
I dont believe in religion.
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Post by jw » 5 Nov 2003, 02:08

I believe that religion exist

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Post by BigRed » 6 Nov 2003, 08:50

I don't know or care really......
I do believe in some things though... like that hypnotist show last night...
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Post by Doddddy » 6 Nov 2003, 15:28

Unknown answer. I think that "free will" itself has no definiton in a world with time as a one-way dimension. Even the using of "I could" or "it could" it's wrong because there is no way how to go back in time to see effects of different action. Therefore it is impossible to tell if fate is real or not. NO! it's not impossible, the question itself is wrong and has no sense!
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