Which drugs have you tried?

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 27 Jul 2012, 14:06

Pawq, just throw a guess of Kiiwis age or do you actually know it?

Never tried drugs myself. My class mates used some at school though when we had lessons from certain idiot teachers who didn't realize any difference, I was offered some too, just decided not to try.

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 27 Jul 2012, 15:11

at all the drug haters: haven't you ever tried alcohol either, or are you all a bunch of hypocrites?

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 27 Jul 2012, 15:14

Pawq wrote:aren't you like too young to be a drug specialist kiwi?

Kiiwi some 21 now mb?

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 27 Jul 2012, 15:17

thought he was like of my age, dunno why, sorry

luki: i don't consider myself a hypocrite, because:
- alcohol doesn't fuck up with me for longer than a few hours
- it doesn't get me addicted
- ez 99% of alcohol i drink is beer, which is low alcoholic, tasty, and - in little amounts - healthy. i drink it with food mostly, usually up to two bottles once a few days, which i consider little amounts

that said, i don't really consider alcohol any kind of addictive or whatever substance, hence drugg

jonsykkel · Post by **jonsykkel** » 27 Jul 2012, 16:36

Pawq wrote:that said, i don't really consider alcohol any kind of addictive or whatever substance, hence drugg

is that your definition of drug? why is alco exempt from that rule, or would you call all of the less addictive/dangerous ones undrugs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ndence.svg
im think best if pipel who have nathing but criticism towards users to come with leave this tropik alone

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » 27 Jul 2012, 16:50

Only cannabis, I don't think I would try other things.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 27 Jul 2012, 17:32

alcohol is not a drug for me in the way i use it, whatever diagram you post

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 27 Jul 2012, 18:10

lol at pawq, he is not considering alcohol a drug. alcohol is one of the worst drugs ever existed. along with meth, crack and heroin.

There are no definitive records as to who dies from drinking alcohol.
In some places it would be very low, Islamic countries for instance, in others much higher.
There are also the deaths where alcohol has played an important part in the death but is not, in itself, the cause of death. Those being hit by a drunken driver for instance.

100,000 people a year die from alcohol abuse in the U.S. each year, 1,000,000 in ten years. 14 million, or one in 13 adults in the U.S. suffer from alcoholism at any given time. 25% of urban hospital beds are taken up by severe damage from the use of alcohol.

edit: for people who actually want to learn about drugs, instead of being informed with biased information "drugs are bad" like pawq is, here is a video (4 parts):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onsq09bXdi4

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 27 Jul 2012, 18:27

Pawq wrote:luki: i don't consider myself a hypocrite, because:
- alcohol doesn't fuck up with me for longer than a few hours

neither does weed, and you don't have a hangover on the next day when you consume too much.

- it doesn't get me addicted

neither does weed, if you don't use it every day. but if you'd do the same with alcohol, it would get you addicted too.

- ez 99% of alcohol i drink is beer, which is low alcoholic, tasty, and - in little amounts - healthy. i drink it with food mostly, usually up to two bottles once a few days, which i consider little amounts

i don't think that a jolly once in a while is more unhealthy than a few beers.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 27 Jul 2012, 22:00

culino: CAN YOU FUCKING READ?!

luki: somehow maybe 1% of the alcohol consumers i know (or overall?) are addicted, and on the other hand like 50% of the weed consumers i know are addicted to it. whatever reason you think up for it, good for you, but i prefer having a 1% chance of becoming an addict, than 50%

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 27 Jul 2012, 22:21

i know it's hard to draw the line, but isn't regular consumption pretty much the same as addiction. what is regular depends on the opinion, but i guess it can be measured/tested (at least someday) when your body is 100% clean and has forgotten. I bet you feel like drinking when you see bear ad or smth. and I bet you can't substitute alco as food drink. My own opinion is , based on nothing, that you need at least couple of months 0 alco to prove you're not addicted

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 27 Jul 2012, 22:32

Pawq wrote:culino: CAN YOU FUCKING READ?!

luki: somehow maybe 1% of the alcohol consumers i know (or overall?) are addicted, and on the other hand like 50% of the weed consumers i know are addicted to it. whatever reason you think up for it, good for you, but i prefer having a 1% chance of becoming an addict, than 50%

how the hell do you define addiction?

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 27 Jul 2012, 22:51

Zweq wrote:i know it's hard to draw the line, but isn't regular consumption pretty much the same as addiction. what is regular depends on the opinion, but i guess it can be measured/tested (at least someday) when your body is 100% clean and has forgotten. I bet you feel like drinking when you see bear ad or smth. and I bet you can't substitute alco as food drink. My own opinion is , based on nothing, that you need at least couple of months 0 alco to prove you're not addicted

lals, i never care about any kinds of ads or anything like that (beer ads are my favourites though, most creative imo), and i quite often don't drink a single beer for weeks. i drink either when i have somebody to drink with, or if there's accidentally a beer in my fridge (i live with parents) PlUS i feel like having it

this is perfectly honest, so don't take it as irony:
if with my style of "drinking" you say that i'm addicted, then i'm as well addicted to bread, water, ketchup and a dozen of other things. shall i leave ketchup out for a couple of months to prove that i'm not addicted to it? please

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 28 Jul 2012, 00:11

Pawq wrote:luki: somehow maybe 1% of the alcohol consumers i know (or overall?) are addicted, and on the other hand like 50% of the weed consumers i know are addicted to it. whatever reason you think up for it, good for you, but i prefer having a 1% chance of becoming an addict, than 50%

I just had to quote this so it won't be gone forever when Pawq edits it later. Oh, Luki quoted already. Well, better safe than sorry.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 28 Jul 2012, 00:17

I say you're addicted to something once you physically suffer in any way, shape or form if you don't get it (for however long a time). I don't really think mental addiction counts, at least not in these circumstances. Sure there is mental addiction, but that's like saying a certain type of bread is addictive just because you like it very much and really crave it in the morning or whatever.

Edit, i double-quote to make double-sure it won't disappear. : D

Lousku wrote:
Pawq wrote:luki: somehow maybe 1% of the alcohol consumers i know (or overall?) are addicted, and on the other hand like 50% of the weed consumers i know are addicted to it. whatever reason you think up for it, good for you, but i prefer having a 1% chance of becoming an addict, than 50%

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 28 Jul 2012, 00:18

Igge is in charge of posting my opinion in this thread because it's moving too quickly for me to keep up at 9.17am in the morning.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 28 Jul 2012, 00:19

Well to be honest it's the same here only it's getting too late for me)

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 28 Jul 2012, 00:50

im glad my words are so precious to you

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 28 Jul 2012, 00:57

Lousku wrote:
Pawq wrote:luki: somehow maybe 1% of the alcohol consumers i know (or overall?) are addicted, and on the other hand like 50% of the weed consumers i know are addicted to it. whatever reason you think up for it, good for you, but i prefer having a 1% chance of becoming an addict, than 50%
I just had to quote this so it won't be gone forever when Pawq edits it later. Oh, Luki quoted already. Well, better safe than sorry.

quoted your quote, so it won't get lost, ever!

also, instead of pawq educating with watching that video, he responded with rage. what did i expect...

also, for the lazy. the chart from the video (from the most dangerous to the least dangerous):

1. Heroin 2. Cocaine 3. Barbiturates 4. Street methadone 5. Alcohol 6. Ketamine 7. Benzodiazepines 8. Amphetamine 9. Tobacco 10. Buprenorphine 11. Cannabis 12. Solvents 13. 4-MTA 14. LSD 15. Methylphenidate 16. Anabolic steroids 17. GHB 18. Ecstasy 19. Alkyl nitrates 20. Khat

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 28 Jul 2012, 10:42

CuLiNo wrote:1. Heroin 2. Cocaine 3. Barbiturates 4. Street methadone 5. Alcohol 6. Ketamine 7. Benzodiazepines 8. Amphetamine 9. Tobacco 10. Buprenorphine 11. Cannabis 12. Solvents 13. 4-MTA 14. LSD 15. Methylphenidate 16. Anabolic steroids 17. GHB 18. Ecstasy 19. Alkyl nitrates 20. Khat

Dangerous as in addictiveness or health risks or risk of death/overdose?

Pawq is always a fun read lol

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 28 Jul 2012, 11:22

Xarthok wrote:
CuLiNo wrote:1. Heroin 2. Cocaine 3. Barbiturates 4. Street methadone 5. Alcohol 6. Ketamine 7. Benzodiazepines 8. Amphetamine 9. Tobacco 10. Buprenorphine 11. Cannabis 12. Solvents 13. 4-MTA 14. LSD 15. Methylphenidate 16. Anabolic steroids 17. GHB 18. Ecstasy 19. Alkyl nitrates 20. Khat
Dangerous as in addictiveness or health risks or risk of death/overdose?

Pawq is always a fun read lol

well all the things combined (according to studies and records in britain). so social impact, number of users, recorded deaths, addictiveness, risk of death/overdose. they even stated if alcohol would be invented now, it would be classified as an A grade drug (if i rememember correctly). the video has like 50 mins in all 4 parts, imho worth the watch.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 28 Jul 2012, 11:44

you said exactly the same thign people were saying before totally ignoring my explanation and just picking the final few words for your interest, but what did i expect after all, people are always just looking for some laugh...

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 28 Jul 2012, 11:51

and yet instead of educating, you're still pushing your biased informations. and you wonder why people laugh at you?

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 28 Jul 2012, 12:18

gotta love teh arrogance

when someone tells pawq tomatoes arent meant to be eataen through nose pawq jumps his feet and tells ffs thats how we always do it in govnovillage of east poland. at least when someone tells me im retarded i look into it a bit)

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 28 Jul 2012, 12:56

Zweq wrote:gotta love teh arrogance :D

when someone tells pawq tomatoes arent meant to be eataen through nose pawq jumps his feet and tells ffs thats how we always do it in govnovillage of east poland. at least when someone tells me im retarded i look into it a bit)

you're not supposed to put tomato in nose??

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 28 Jul 2012, 14:16

CuLiNo wrote:and yet instead of educating, you're still pushing your biased informations. and you wonder why people laugh at you?

biased information? you're calling what i do and how i feel about it biased information? i never said anything like "alcohol isn't drugs eod", instead i said "alcohol is not a drug for me in the way i use it", which can't be really considered stating a fact, true or untrue. what i mean is that i'm adjusting the "definitions" to my own self and experience and kinda redefine some things relative only to me, always stating that it's relative to me, only in myself's context. what you do is omit that part, and constantly moan about the bent definitions or whatever, which is just unfairly selective

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 28 Jul 2012, 17:15

Pawq wrote:
CuLiNo wrote:and yet instead of educating, you're still pushing your biased informations. and you wonder why people laugh at you?
biased information? you're calling what i do and how i feel about it biased information?

yes, your informations contain zero medical or other knowledge so they are biased. you still didn't watch the video? what's so hard about it? or are you scared you're gonna find there something you don't like? i'm not gonna tell you what to do with your life, but stop with the "i feel like alcohol is harmless compared to the other drugs, because i like it!" bullshit. this is the last thing i say to you on that matter, i don't want to waste my time actually doing something good, yet not appreciated at all (at least from your side).

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 28 Jul 2012, 18:05

Pawq wrote:i don't really consider alcohol any kind of addictive or whatever substance, hence drugg

Pawq wrote:i prefer having a 1% chance of becoming an addict, than 50%

Pawq wrote:i said "alcohol is not a drug for me in the way i use it"

Pawq wrote:
Pawq on 4 Sep 2010, 22:39 wrote:lal none o/
still same too, and still not planning to try =)

Pawq wrote:i'm adjusting the "definitions" to my own self and experience and kinda redefine some things relative only to me

Pawq wrote:i'm as well addicted to bread

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 28 Jul 2012, 18:23

is he the new xratio?

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 28 Jul 2012, 18:58

just learn to read comprehensively, idiots =) maybe you'll be understanding the contexts then

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 28 Jul 2012, 19:17

<- idiot =)

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 29 Jul 2012, 02:10

I think alcohol can help a lot in certain social situations. Cannabis too, maybe. Psychedelics and stuff beyond that are mostly for personal experiences that might look like insanity to an observer. The key point is that none of this says anything about the dangers involved with aforementioned substances. Alcohol is very dangerous, cannabis less, but it definitely has its risks. It's also important to consider what users are trying to achieve with the substances. If you only take a couple in good company, alcohol can definitely be a positive thing. Same for weed. But if you're only getting into these things out of curiosity about what you can do with your mind, there's the danger that you'll just get interested in more dangerous substances later on. If, on the other hand, you smoke weed occasionally to relieve stress or just enjoy an afternoon with some music, I don't see any danger in that (unless you have the genetics fak that make you vulnerable to psychosis). None of this is black and white.

Myself, I'm very much interested in trying psychedelics out of curiosity. Will be receiving some acid soon. If I get a negative effect, I'll stop it with benzos and give the blotters to someone else to try out. Imo curious experiments are completely fine with awareness of risks and self-control.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 29 Jul 2012, 02:24

Unrelated to my ramble there, but here's a great explanation of heroin from a long-time user: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9huWlXFA1s

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 29 Jul 2012, 08:13

Lousku wrote:Unrelated to my ramble there, but here's a great explanation of heroin from a long-time user: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9huWlXFA1s

Underwhelmed by heroin?
I think Trainspotting pretty much sums it up: "Take the best orgasm you've ever had... multiply it by a thousand, and you're still nowhere near it."
Someone else on reddit also said "It's so good you'll wish you never tried it".

So basically the real danger of it is that everything else in life will fade in comparison and there's no return from that "realization".

Kiiwi · Post by **Kiiwi** » 29 Jul 2012, 10:44

Hmm, nice to see some debate on the subject. Didn't even realize that there are so many "blue eyed" ppl around the subject.

For Pawq: i'm 25 soon...Tho' my age is completetly irrelevant (except if i was 13 or smthn) to the subject. Secondly under no circumstances do i consider myself a "drug specialist", i'm not, i've just tried few drugs along the way.

I do not use any of these substances regurlaly, since i wnjoy being sober more than being f'd up. Marijuana i use on special occasions in which i know the effect makes it more enjoyable (in essence marihuana is and afrodisiac of sorts).

1% of alcohol users u know are addicts, that's very fortunate...90% of ppl i know who use alcohol are addicted to it. I was from ages 13-18, now i only consume perhaps 3 beers per week and get wasted once pre 3months on average.

Ppl don't seem to realize that even if u have used or tried substances, it DOES NOT mean that u are an slave to the drugs for the rest of ur life. I won't use any strong psychedelic or other hard drug ever again, but i wouldn't trade away the experiences i've had with them. They have taught me a great deal of myself and other ppl, and taught me to consider things from many perspectives. And contradictally it was mushrooms that stopped me from drinking and doping myself to the gutter or worse.

Furthermore; Anpdad, don't be so judgemental, you don't know what u are judging.

Kiiwi · Post by **Kiiwi** » 29 Jul 2012, 12:42

Lousku wrote:Myself, I'm very much interested in trying psychedelics out of curiosity. Will be receiving some acid soon. If I get a negative effect, I'll stop it with benzos and give the blotters to someone else to try out. Imo curious experiments are completely fine with awareness of risks and self-control.

I think u have the right mentality regarding psychedelics, but still, if u're getting acid, BE CAREFUL, i can't stress it enough. Strong hallucinogenics are potentially VERY dangerous to your mental health. If u have some sort of tendency for depression, panic attacs or u are in a stressful life situation, i recommend that u don't try it out. But it's up to u and i hope u'll find the trip helpful and an enlightning experience.

However, if it's fun, watch out not to do it too often (1 time per year is enough imo, if even that), since active use can result in very dire consequences e.g Permanent anxiety disorder and/or panic disorder. I don't wanna spook you out, but i myself got panic disorder, and it took me 3years to come to terms with it. However, that perioid of everyday panic has taught me a great deal about what's important in life and helped me become a bettert and more empathetic person.

Oh, and btw, don't freak out if the benzos won't help as much as u'd hoped if u happen to need 'em (hopefully not) during ur session, since acid really is so strong a substance that the easing effect of the benzos can't get through all the way.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 29 Jul 2012, 13:48

weekly consumption is definitely addiction, what else could it be.

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 29 Jul 2012, 18:24

my experience:

coke (1 time, snorted): was cool, been drinking before that and when i took it, i was "sobering" a bit. felt energy, was talkative, it was definitely a good experience.
cannabis (~30 times): i smoke it once in every few months now, it's relaxing, chilling. having laughs, a bit thirsty/hungry, but overall a very good experience for me.
alcohol (many times): was drinking before many times, many times been drunk as fuck, now i only get few beers once in a month/once in a two months. was drunk as fuck on my birthday last time, before that it was like a 2 years ago. had many hilarious experiences when being drunk, but i realized it's not worth it. though, i find positive having few beers and cool conversations with my friends once in a while.
tobacco (zillions of times): addicted to smoking, 1-3 cigarettes per day, so not so much. wanna quit, but tis hard :S
coffee: often my start of the day, coffee+cigarette = win

my opinion:

all people should be educated about drugs, what do they do, how do they look like (so they can get pure drugs, instead of some 10% shit with other crap that causes them to die). prohibition and taboo slogan "drugs are bad" really cost many people to die around the world. not to mention how many people with small amount of cannabis are currently in jail. imho all people could use whatever drugs they want, as long as they have no impact on anybody else except themselves (drivers on drugs, people on drugs in jobs, drunk faggots fighting and making trouble, drunk faggots beating their wives/children, etc. - those should be punishable even more).

for everyone who didn't watch the video i posted earlier, please, watch it.

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 29 Jul 2012, 18:30

Lousku wrote:Myself, I'm very much interested in trying psychedelics out of curiosity. Will be receiving some acid soon. If I get a negative effect, I'll stop it with benzos and give the blotters to someone else to try out. Imo curious experiments are completely fine with awareness of risks and self-control.

please, do some research about people who tried it before and their experience, don't do it alone at home, better with some friends who had some experience with it and do it somewhere outside (meadow for example). you need to be in a good mood, also. don't take it if you're depressed and such. wish you a good trip in advance:)

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 29 Jul 2012, 19:05

CuLiNo wrote:
Lousku wrote:Myself, I'm very much interested in trying psychedelics out of curiosity. Will be receiving some acid soon. If I get a negative effect, I'll stop it with benzos and give the blotters to someone else to try out. Imo curious experiments are completely fine with awareness of risks and self-control.
please, do some research about people who tried it before and their experience, don't do it alone at home, better with some friends who had some experience with it and do it somewhere outside (meadow for example). you need to be in a good mood, also. don't take it if you're depressed and such. wish you a good trip in advance:)

Correct about the depression. However, I prefer myself to do psychedelics completely alone without any disturbance from outside. Anyone intruding my trip can cause severe anxiety.

Also, I think ALL drugs should be decriminalized and regulated (yes even heroin and such), most of them being legal to purchase under doctor's prescription, some without (but with warnings such as with tobacco). Prohibition doesn't work. There are countless reasons to go this way for the benefit of the whole society. I just hope people will open their eyes and come to terms with it sooner or later.

infected · Post by **infected** » 29 Jul 2012, 21:43

Lousku wrote:Myself, I'm very much interested in trying psychedelics out of curiosity. Will be receiving some acid soon. If I get a negative effect, I'll stop it with benzos and give the blotters to someone else to try out. Imo curious experiments are completely fine with awareness of risks and self-control.

Very nice plan! I've been experementing with psychoactives for quite many years and i love it alot. My first acid trip i also had benzo (exanol, same shit diff name) as backup incase of bad trip. didnt like how things kicked in so took a benzo to neutralize it a bit and get some sleep. 3 hours later friend woke me up and i instantly took another stamp. Ended up in having the best trip in my life on acid wich i mainly believe is becouse of the benzo calming my nerves a little when things started go wrong

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 29 Jul 2012, 22:45

Xarthok wrote:
CuLiNo wrote:
Lousku wrote:Myself, I'm very much interested in trying psychedelics out of curiosity. Will be receiving some acid soon. If I get a negative effect, I'll stop it with benzos and give the blotters to someone else to try out. Imo curious experiments are completely fine with awareness of risks and self-control.
please, do some research about people who tried it before and their experience, don't do it alone at home, better with some friends who had some experience with it and do it somewhere outside (meadow for example). you need to be in a good mood, also. don't take it if you're depressed and such. wish you a good trip in advance:)
Correct about the depression. However, I prefer myself to do psychedelics completely alone without any disturbance from outside. Anyone intruding my trip can cause severe anxiety.

well i would recommend a company for the first time. but it's his choice, he can do it alone if he is aware.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 30 Jul 2012, 15:14

-nothing of importance was said-

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 30 Jul 2012, 19:09

and what do i need them for? i'm perfectly happy without =) just the fact that you're 16 and doing drugs already means neither that drugs are cool, nor that you're cool because of that

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 30 Jul 2012, 19:30

Pawq: Nobody is saying you should do drugs. You just happened to join the discussion here with some pretty stupid statements.

Kiiwi wrote:I think u have the right mentality regarding psychedelics, but still, if u're getting acid, BE CAREFUL, i can't stress it enough. Strong hallucinogenics are potentially VERY dangerous to your mental health. If u have some sort of tendency for depression, panic attacs or u are in a stressful life situation, i recommend that u don't try it out. But it's up to u and i hope u'll find the trip helpful and an enlightning experience.

However, if it's fun, watch out not to do it too often (1 time per year is enough imo, if even that), since active use can result in very dire consequences e.g Permanent anxiety disorder and/or panic disorder. I don't wanna spook you out, but i myself got panic disorder, and it took me 3years to come to terms with it. However, that perioid of everyday panic has taught me a great deal about what's important in life and helped me become a bettert and more empathetic person.

Oh, and btw, don't freak out if the benzos won't help as much as u'd hoped if u happen to need 'em (hopefully not) during ur session, since acid really is so strong a substance that the easing effect of the benzos can't get through all the way.

I know I probably shouldn't be touching it. Already hev diagnosis "adjustment disorder with anxiety and depression" xd. I'll be in a safe place with a person who has done it before and hev enough benzos to pretty much forcesleep. Should be safe enough. Thanks for advice, mans.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 30 Jul 2012, 22:51

-nothing of importance was said-

Kiiwi · Post by **Kiiwi** » 31 Jul 2012, 04:42

Hosp wrote:You don't need drugs. But some people choose to use them, just for the fun of it.

That mentality can bite back (not necessarily), some drugs "require" kind of respect and using them for purely selfish (e.g for fun) reasons can kick you in the nuts.

Orka explain in more detail, but you are possibly headed for trouble. Taking in to account that you are still young and if i have understood correct, your life situation/ conditions aren't very good and your bummed out about it. Add to that that you have just found drugs and like them, it's possible that you use them to "escape" your current reality (without realizing that you're doing so). It's possible that u will face an identity crisis at some point, i hope it'll all turn out good.

Hosp · Post by **Hosp** » 31 Jul 2012, 16:19

-nothing of importance was said-

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 31 Jul 2012, 17:31

Hosp wrote:You don't need drugs. But some people choose to use them, just for the fun of it. Exploring the world, ftw. Not that I can explore the world much or have seen much since I'm just a baby.

some drugs are not meant to be used for fun, LSD for example. best use of this drug is to understand more things around you, yourself, hear colors (yes, i just said that), etc. some people could hear sounds from the bigger distance. i remember some studies accepting some people's stories, that they remembered some prenatal experiences when using this drug. (hearing music when in womb for example). sounds cool.

Lousku · Post by **Lousku** » 31 Jul 2012, 19:24

Jappe wrote:critical thinking when reading stuff is useful

I'm nat so sure about that!

Which drugs have you ever tried?