Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

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Cancel Stini's Enigma WR?

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No
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Total votes: 42

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Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by badyl » 18 Sep 2011, 19:16

The rec is spread and undoubletely there is a bug bounce. Propably it can't be beaten without another bug. Shouldn't wrs be free of such flaws? EDQ is coming and the question seems important.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by roope » 18 Sep 2011, 19:31

Imo it should've been done earlier if at all. Now it's become a kind of legend, it's the exception that proves the rule.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by culinko » 18 Sep 2011, 20:37

it can be beaten without a bug, but i guess it's the only exception on the WR list (maybe the miniwheelpop in ft is considered as bug too?). just leave it there, but don't accept such things in future, imho.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Kortsu » 18 Sep 2011, 21:34

It won't be taken off the table, simple as that. I'm sure there was a serious discussion about the rec when Stini sent it, but it's just too late to make any changes.

Look at it this way, the kuski who beats the time without a bug bounce or S/L will become a legend, rated slightly below the one who drives under 14.00 on warm up legit.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by milagros » 18 Sep 2011, 22:04

wtf, ez 17,0x

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by anonymous32 » 19 Sep 2011, 01:12

Kortsu wrote:I'm sure there was a serious discussion about the rec when Stini sent it.
There was none -- I know, as I was around and aware.

And no, it is not too late for it to be removed from the table. Just regress to Zweq's 19,61 from #174 -- poor Zweq, let the fellow have one; although it's not like the first time he has to have one on the table.

I muchly respect Stini as a person, but this has got to go beyond personal considerations -- "if it's not legit, then kill it."

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Bismuth » 19 Sep 2011, 02:46

We could have attributed the WR to Thunder when he drove 19.16 himself. But then again, some were saying the rec was buggy too, so where to draw the line? Keep it, when it's beaten, celebrate and love Stini.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Lousku » 19 Sep 2011, 11:35

Let's just all play flagtag.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Kopaka » 19 Sep 2011, 15:13

Wether of not it should be defined as a bug I really don't know. However I've often used stini's enigma as the reference for what is legal. Like for replays on kopasite, if they were more buggy than stini's enigma I remove them, otherwise not. What I mean by that is that, atleast for me, removing stini's enigma has bigger ramifications than just someone else getting the WR but would change the general rule about what is bug and what is not.

That might not be that big a deal though in the end. Another bigger issue is that when I was looking at the different 19.xx recs I have most of them are close to as buggy or even more buggy than stini's, and there is not replay verification of 2nd, 3rd, 4th positions etc. So there could also be a lot of questionable times on the secondary positions which we'll never know about.

Anway I voted no as it's just way to late to change policies now.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Lousku » 19 Sep 2011, 16:29

Isn't it simple? If more speed after bounce than before, shouldn't be accepted. Pop shouldn't matter, because that happens every other run in any level with low fps.

Edit: if I'm wrong, explain why.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by pawq » 19 Sep 2011, 17:58

maybe you're right, but it's more complicated than it seems. neglecting the fact that (according to mila) its impsy to accurately measure speed from a replay, some speed is also lost during the bounce (braking, throttling etc)

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Mats » 19 Sep 2011, 18:12

I've always thought of the Enigma bounce legit, because anyone can do it. Can't say it's just luck, it's hoylable. It's just how you bounce at the right angle with much speed. If you merge the replay with any other, you'll see it's the same speed out of the bounce if done correctly. The right press at the bounce gives the ekstra boost up to make such a great time, Prodigy's 19.25 is the same style and exactly same bounce speed.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Lukazz » 19 Sep 2011, 19:55

probably because prodigy's run is buggy too.

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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Zweq » 19 Sep 2011, 21:55


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Re: Cancel Stini's Enigma WR ?

Post by Lukazz » 19 Sep 2011, 22:24

seems legit, let's do it

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