New styles? Hoylas please test them :)

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 21 Mar 2009, 19:03

Madness wrote:Nothing faster. None WR style.
Going to the roof directly looks faster even.
And even if you would save some time by going to the right directly, you ez lost more time because of the bounce.

+1

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 22 Mar 2009, 18:34

Mawane showing his stylefinding skialz.

John · Post by **John** » 11 Apr 2009, 16:25

Discarded by WNO: http://up.k10x.net/grmwvvuqjejqy/NW.png
Might be a bit too high difficulty/gain-ratio (if possible at all)

Lee · Post by **Lee** » 12 Apr 2009, 04:41

i was thinking about new serps route

if you could somehow get down to that apple below very quickly, and bounce/brutal back to the top row of hangs,
then you can drive to the top left apple, fall down, and proceed with the long jump style.
looks slower, but wouldn't hurt to have a 2nd opinion from a pro.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 12 Apr 2009, 05:01

has been hoyled quite alot in belma already, especially by talli.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 12 Apr 2009, 07:46

i tried that serpents style some years ago(except i hang different on last apple), but it's so hard it's completely pointless. And by hard i mean fucking hard. never done start and never done end even in a train lev. they're both completely possible but harder than hi flyer brutal, so maybe one of a thousand million rides

here's a rec on that train lev http://up.k10x.net/nvnwuhcyzwgfc/tr15dame.rec

anpdad · Post by **anpdad** » 12 Apr 2009, 10:29

Discarded by WNO: http://up.k10x.net/grmwvvuqjejqy/NW.png
Might be a bit too high difficulty/gain-ratio (if possible at all)

huh?
http://up.k10x.net/chqtlpfpmlogy/BEAUTIUFL.rec

Madness · Post by **Madness** » 12 Apr 2009, 11:03

What about this style on Hi Flyer?

Old style +
Instead of the gradually braking, hang back wheel and frontflip behind the killer.
It could be quite fast, if it would be well done...

John · Post by **John** » 12 Apr 2009, 11:23

nice anpdad, ez WR now then :p

OtorK · Post by **OtorK** » 12 Apr 2009, 11:52

can somebody upload that train recs (15 and 16)?
thanks

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 12 Apr 2009, 13:26

OtorK wrote:can somebody upload that train recs (15 and 16)?
thanks

oto, just merge some rec from 15 with the tr15 rec etc...you don't need a lev

Usque · Post by **Usque** » 13 Apr 2009, 18:45

CuLiNo wrote:
OtorK wrote:can somebody upload that train recs (15 and 16)?
thanks
oto, just merge some rec from 15 with the tr15 rec etc...you don't need a lev

That doesnÂ´t seem to work for me either...

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 13 Apr 2009, 18:54

first you take a replay from the real internal level.. anything it can be 1 second long.. and then you take some random training lvl replay.. works fine

if you do it the other way around and you don't have the real training lvl it won't work

Usque · Post by **Usque** » 13 Apr 2009, 21:01

Xiphias wrote:first you take a replay from the real internal level.. anything it can be 1 second long.. and then you take some random training lvl replay.. works fine

if you do it the other way around and you don't have the real training lvl it won't work

Stupid, that I didnÂ´t try that...

John · Post by **John** » 1 May 2009, 11:32

Alobounce creates faster bounces teh

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 1 May 2009, 12:40

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 1 May 2009, 17:48

Hmmm going to have to check this when I get home. Ez wr on lvl 16?

John · Post by **John** » 1 May 2009, 18:10

Memphis wrote:Hmmm going to have to check this when I get home. Ez wr on lvl 16?

yes

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 1 May 2009, 19:40

damn. U going to do it John? Get that canadian flag off the table already.

John · Post by **John** » 2 May 2009, 14:11

Nah, someone else will be first to do 1.24 :)

anpdad · Post by **anpdad** » 3 May 2009, 03:33

C'mon, i really hoped you'd finally hoyl this level down to 1:23,high at least. All it takes is doing this new trick (which is much easier than previous one), even without your alobounce; then performing darm's hang, which is easier again and 0.5 faster. Not even done perfectly. And the only hard spot is a good landing and ending

See, easy level =)

John · Post by **John** » 3 May 2009, 09:39

I don't know what darm's hang is, plz show

anpdad · Post by **anpdad** » 3 May 2009, 10:33

Here it is, done in a standard way (i.e. i've just overheld a brake at 10:xx and got a bad acceleration later because of that):
http://up.k10x.net/pbnvihljriqrt/tr16b2.lev
http://up.k10x.net/witijpbtzvuad/tr16b2.rec
I'm sure you knew it. Maybe it was discarded because of too high difficulty/gain-ratio though

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 3 May 2009, 10:51

Nice styles! Who will get the first wr? 8)

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 3 May 2009, 13:39

hey anpy, how many other secret styles do you know? share some more:)

anpdad · Post by **anpdad** » 3 May 2009, 15:28

hey anpy, how many other secret styles do you know? share some more:)

Nothing new here, it's few years old. But all the wr holders consistently avoided using it for some reason. And maybe darm's recs aren't that spread as i thought, heh (well, nothing to watch anyway now).
I know some little tricks, but i'll keep them for myself (and few others), as there are no major shortcuts anyway. Well, i can suggest you to try Johann's way of taking last apple in Quick Round:
http://mopolauta.moposite.com/viewtopic ... 90#p164490
It appeared to be quite neat in my testings (haha, that's all i do nowadays, since i don't have a time for elma and max bored of simple hoyling)

nick-o-matic · Post by **nick-o-matic** » 4 May 2009, 00:11

ANpDaD wrote:Well, i can suggest you to try Johann's way of taking last apple in Quick Round:

Yeah it's indeed potential and faster than the normal easy style but there is one thing that is on the other hand insignificant but on the other hand very significant for the style that I'd like to point out: the style-finding and especially testing process was made also (?) by adi, who used much time to test both ways in same trainlevel. Therefore imo it's wrong to call it just Johann's style. (in elma many many styles are nowdays called someone other's than the original inventor's style though and defining or finding out the inventor of the style can be really hard in some cases, and also in this case this style may have been thinked much before these guys, but anyway "adi's style" or at least "adi's and Johann's style" is much more correct than just "Johann's style" at least in my ears).

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 4 May 2009, 00:46

if it's a problem to define the styles by who pointed them out and sach.. then why not just call it low turn or what ever

but anyways.. who gives a fuck ^^

Please continue with developing styles.. it keeps my Elma heart beating. =)

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 4 May 2009, 05:29

But all the wr holders consistently avoided using it for some reason.

Or maybe not...

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 4 May 2009, 12:04

hah, thats the point about new wave, it could be done very many times faster, but noone cares to do it, because its too hard to do in one run and after all, too annoying

you said memphis, that you would share ur rec for edq, but look: edq is released with your WR-rec, and one week later there is a wr 1:23 or at least 1:24... what a shame

john, cmon, youve already showed that you have infinite patience... also for this goddamn creation of devil. why dont you just try again this year?

roope · Post by **roope** » 4 May 2009, 16:08

No need to even mention new EDQ, just a few new styles and not much off the tt.

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 5 May 2009, 09:35

roope wrote:No need to even mention new EDQ, just a few new styles and not much off the tt.

actually there should be either:

1) no EDQ.
2) EDQ's once per week, so that the FASTEST rec for every level is always shown.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 5 May 2009, 12:11

Maybe we should assign a guy to this for us, like everyone pays 500 euros a year for the salary, so this guy can deliver us every week a brand new EDQ. Perhaps in his spare time he could hÃ¶yl more WRs and record music in a studio for the soundtrack, which should be different every time.

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 5 May 2009, 12:42

NEW ENDQ WEN TT UNEDR. 35.30.00.

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 5 May 2009, 12:54

Jappe wrote:
SmaXa wrote:actually there should be either:

1) no EDQ.
2) EDQ's once per week, so that the FASTEST rec for every level is always shown.
wow, just wow, smaxa strikes again

yeah, just fucking yeah.

by the way, this is a smiley:

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 5 May 2009, 13:04

have a nice few years of waiting igge

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 7 May 2009, 10:28

ok i accidently tried this anpdad's trick, and almost did faster than current style. in theory his is definitely faster, but very hard to do

John · Post by **John** » 7 May 2009, 10:36

Ok, so now New Wave has 4 potential WR-tricks not yet used in WR-hoyling :D See who will find the 5th ;o

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 7 May 2009, 15:12

see who will use them all in a new WR run ;o

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 8 May 2009, 05:23

Zweq wrote:ok i accidently tried this anpdad's trick, and almost did faster than current style. in theory his is definitely faster, but very hard to do

I did that trick twice when going for wr and both times like yours was slower then normal run. It's too bad because it looks cooler and is very hard to do.

DaFred · Post by **DaFred** » 11 May 2009, 18:57

If I merge 16B12451 with 16J12532 it looks like the new style before first apple is slower!? And the bounce style to the top a bit earlier also isn't faster? The only faster part is the one at the middle after 2nd apple imo.
So what is good at the new styles? Maybe do they bring new motivation for hoyling? I'm asking cause I wanted to hoyl the new styles but now I don't think it will bring me a better time...

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 11 May 2009, 20:07

for me new styles are only motivation.. but if you are like zweq and have played all of the levels for 50 years and got maxed out times on all of them then I can see if it's good with a 0,20 better time

when is EOL coming?

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 11 May 2009, 20:24

cool count me in, but first I need to get unbanned xD which I never will get

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 11 May 2009, 21:57

DaFred wrote:If I merge 16B12451 with 16J12532 it looks like the new style before first apple is slower!? And the bounce style to the top a bit earlier also isn't faster? The only faster part is the one at the middle after 2nd apple imo.
So what is good at the new styles? Maybe do they bring new motivation for hoyling? I'm asking cause I wanted to hoyl the new styles but now I don't think it will bring me a better time...

New bounce style at start isn't faster the way zweq and the 2 times I did it but if you could get a clean shoot to the hole then it would be faster. Potential.

As for the 2nd style before the first apple it's about the same speed as before with john's run but 10 times easier to pull off. That is where I died 90% of the time holyaing for wr.

The third style no if's and's and buts about it, it's faster. (springing off the ledge)

nick-o-matic · Post by **nick-o-matic** » 11 May 2009, 22:03

Memphis wrote:New bounce style at start isn't faster the way zweq and the 2 times I did it but if you could get a clean shoot to the hole then it would be faster. Potential.

I think DaFred ment bouncing to the roof at the wavetunnel at the right wave like Bjorn did.

culinko · Post by **culinko** » 11 May 2009, 22:54

http://up.k10x.net/quuujlaimoxne/38hmz.rec
passibel, faster? passibly faster?:)

http://up.k10x.net/qvhqnqhsnbwqu/40hmz.rec
sum bitchin' with the pressure, nothing very important

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 11 May 2009, 23:07

heh good to see that 38 style again i had a bit different style few years ago

but same concept, never tested if it was faster.. but ez max cooler

DaFred · Post by **DaFred** » 11 May 2009, 23:44

nick-o-matic wrote:I think DaFred ment bouncing to the roof at the wavetunnel at the right wave like Bjorn did.

yes, mainly that and the trick shortly after before first apple. Both doesn't look faster...
Maybe its easier to do so you can better hoyl a good time?

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 12 May 2009, 00:29

DaFred wrote:
nick-o-matic wrote:I think DaFred ment bouncing to the roof at the wavetunnel at the right wave like Bjorn did.
yes, mainly that and the trick shortly after before first apple. Both doesn't look faster...
Maybe its easier to do so you can better hoyl a good time?

Ya Bjorn's bounce is faster at the start of the wave. Merge my replay with it and he gains on me. Not crazy amounts faster but faster.

Because I suck at the hang part now in new wave. Plus all the big wigs in the elma scene are giving this level a lot of attention. There'd be no way to beat them out without a diff style and not worth holyaing level for total time for 1 second max off.

anpdad · Post by **anpdad** » 12 May 2009, 14:43

If I merge 16B12451 with 16J12532 it looks like the new style before first apple is slower!? And the bounce style to the top a bit earlier also isn't faster? The only faster part is the one at the middle after 2nd apple imo.
So what is good at the new styles? Maybe do they bring new motivation for hoyling? I'm asking cause I wanted to hoyl the new styles but now I don't think it will bring me a better time...

1. Apple style is mostly useful because of its ease, but it's also faster when properly done. So it's a win-win situation against previous way of doing this part. There is another point to use it though - you land differently (more "to the left", and also when you start moving afterwards, the wheel raises less), which allows for a faster turn at this left polygon by using alo-alo-volt combination. It doesn't work that often, but if you press the first alo earlier, the second one makes bike rotating really fast. I can record something, but don't have a time at the moment, and i wanna go sleep now

2. The little bounce is a tiny bit faster and looks cool!! =) Well, you can use Zweq's wheelpressing instead, cuz it's more fast. But also annoying ofc :S