should more than one person update the wr table?

jaytea · Post by **jaytea** » 26 Jun 2007, 14:49

moposite promises updates once a week, yet don't deliver

obviously theres reasons.. px may have been busy, he cares so little about elma that hes in no rush to update, etc but all reasons aside, given the excitement the wr table has generated the last few weeks.. arent we entitled to just a little more consideration?

i guess this decision belongs mainly to px, Abula and the people most active in the WR making business (john and zweq), shouldn't there be more than one person updating the table? with a team of people (neutral people like Abula, SveinR, skint0r) who wouldnt spread recs or share styles, we'd be much less likely to miss out on wr updates. would just require one of the people's attention for a few minutes a week

WkE · Post by **WkE** » 26 Jun 2007, 21:19

This whole WR table format is so 1999.
I mean, we're now in 2007, and there has obviously been a development in user interactivity on the web throughout these years, which moposite has to catch up with. Maybe 7 years ago it was somewhat problematic to set up a real-time records section, but now it is more than easy and possible.

And so, what I suggest is something like stats.elastomania.ru, where kuskis will be able to register and upload their state.dats, and their times will be updated immediately. In case of new WRs, replays will be sent to active moderators, who will approve/disapprove the WR. The moderators' only other task will be monitoring times once in a while, just to make sure that there is no 14.xx in Hooked or something like that.

Not only this records system is easily doable, but it also opens opportunities for many other features, like uploading/downloading other players' recs or even commetning on other players' times.

Just think about it - this "e-mail us your times and we'll publish them when we can" is so oldschool. Nothing works like that anymore. In my opinion, it is as obsolete as writing your times on a note and sending them in a stamped envelope to Finland via airmail.

Post by **Abula** » 26 Jun 2007, 23:08

Well, interative records system is coming :P.

Managing some WR update team would take more resources than just do the updates. I think whining in px privates is the best way to get updates.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 27 Jun 2007, 00:17

Abula wrote:Well, interative records system is coming .

this reminds me elma2;)

nick-o-matic · Post by **nick-o-matic** » 27 Jun 2007, 10:30

Is interactive record system really so essential? Nobody makes so many records so rapidly that they couldn't wait for a while to see them at the page. (of course elma total times should be updated much more frecuently though, maybe once in two weeks).

And what would happen to the old tables system? I guess that since the day that interactive record system becomes official there won't be any new old tables. It would be a pity - all the fun in comparing your times to the times in table #XXX would be gone. With all the traditions. And the old table statistics.

Post by **Abula** » 27 Jun 2007, 13:44

WR tables will remain in some once per week style. More automatic but still it won't be realtimed. The reason is what nick-o-matic descriped.

WkE · Post by **WkE** » 27 Jun 2007, 15:02

nick-o-matic wrote: Nobody makes so many records so rapidly that they couldn't wait for a while to see them at the page.

Zweq wrote:ez quit internals, nothing is updated anymore so

nick-o-matic · Post by **nick-o-matic** » 27 Jun 2007, 15:54

WkE wrote:
nick-o-matic wrote: Nobody makes so many records so rapidly that they couldn't wait for a while to see them at the page.

Zweq wrote:ez quit internals, nothing is updated anymore so

I was thinking that when I was writing my message but came into the conclusion that it's Zweq's own shame if he quits internals because of that kind of reason. Even he makes something like 1 or 2 WRs on average to one update. And even if he made more isn't it just cooler to totally shock everyone with a huge bunch of WRs

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 27 Jun 2007, 16:01

I think that's what Abu said but,

records should be updated automaticly, real-time. Just like skintatious and kopaka.dk.

WRs should be updated with the same script as above but ,simply don't update the WR table immediatly, make it weekly.

This way everyone is happy!

px gets to relax
nickomatic gets his tables
zweq gets his updates
others get to see WRs weekly, with no delay!

Napoleon · Post by **Napoleon** » 27 Jun 2007, 16:34

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 27 Jun 2007, 16:52

I was talking about elastomania related news in general

wjelo · Post by **wjelo** » 27 Jun 2007, 17:06

someone's gotta check if wrs aint xiit, otherwise berhabdul's gonna have 54wrs in first tabel generated like that

Post by **Abula** » 27 Jun 2007, 19:41

The_BoneLESS's version is our target. Just takes time. Maybe Zweq wants to start writing some Internal levels articles? Or news?

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 27 Jun 2007, 20:17

will this be possible with all other moposite-contests to? like OLP all the level packs, MOPOCO, and so on?

dz · Post by dz » 27 Jun 2007, 20:28

The_BoneLESS wrote:records should be updated automaticly, real-time. Just like skintatious and kopaka.dk.

Abula wrote:The_BoneLESS's version is our target. Just takes time.

wiElOryB wrote:someone's gotta check if wrs aint xiit, otherwise berhabdul's gonna have 54wrs in first tabel generated like that

Do you have any plans to solve this problem?

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 27 Jun 2007, 20:34

i guess, even though it'll be automatised, px and/or Abu will take a look at WR recs...

and everyone will get to see suspicious times and cry out loud for the truth!

berhabdul · Post by **berhabdul** » 27 Jun 2007, 20:36

impsy, imo WRs should be checked manually

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 27 Jun 2007, 20:41

berhabdul wrote:impsy, imo WRs should be checked manually

i don't think so... there aren't that many cheaters in the scene.

And if an appearant cheater appears on the table, i think Abu and Mila will double-check rec to see if it's clean.

I think cheaters are easy to recognize, especially in the internals, with such programs as the anti-cheating group has. If i see Xian pulling some 13.99 on Warm up, i'll personnaly give a call to Abu.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 27 Jun 2007, 20:42

realtime wrs would make statistics obsolete, at least some of them.

and yes I can write stuff about internals or whatever, but duno I might be too noob to do wiki style writing

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 27 Jun 2007, 20:43

Zweq wrote:realtime wrs would make statistics obsolete, at least some of them.

they won't be.

Post by **Abula** » 28 Jun 2007, 01:16

dz wrote:
The_BoneLESS wrote:records should be updated automaticly, real-time. Just like skintatious and kopaka.dk.

Abula wrote:The_BoneLESS's version is our target. Just takes time.

wiElOryB wrote:someone's gotta check if wrs aint xiit, otherwise berhabdul's gonna have 54wrs in first tabel generated like that :lol:
Do you have any plans to solve this problem?

Yea, WRs will be checked by human being.

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 18 Jul 2007, 15:32

jaytea, it comforts me to confirm that your stupidity knows no bounds. Yes, the Elma scene may be ministered by gerontocratic Philistines, but such is the root of its romance. The art of a Bohemian, with all its appeal to the fresh-minded and forward-thinking, is far too libertarian to be tangible in the teeth of sanctity. Px will update WRs unaided, as sure as a Bellini shall be made with a Prosecco and a gentleman shall never dine before 7. You cunt.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 26 May 2009, 08:28

no, but px should be replaced.

it should be about time to thank px for his 8 year (or what?)effort for the scene and tell him to step down from the wr updating duty.

all due respect px but even the statistics have been broken for several months now. I am aware that in the autumn there simply were only 1wr/month but as things change rapidly due to internal hÃ¶yling fashion waves in belma, you should pick up more frequent updates.

There's the most simple example available: Bjorn sent 1.24.6 new wave _weeks_ ago(assumably), during this waiting time, anyone could have made a better time. The longer interval between tables, the more wrs get "eaten", don't you think? Sure it could happen on weekly basis as well but I just thought bjorn could feel slightly inconvenient if john had sent 1.24.3x a few weeks later, just saying because he could do it easily if he wanted to.

A good start would be some communication from px, nobody even knows what he thinks about updating nowadays. Is he busy in the real world or simply don't want to update WRs any longer. Hopefully he will at least read this topic.

My best candidate for updating wrs used to be skint0r, but as he has faded away, I guess SveinR or Zebra are trustworthy and active enough to do it, if they're willing to that is. I guess they are not.

//wants back weekly updates

klisse · Post by **klisse** » 26 May 2009, 08:46

No, nobody should update wr table, it should be automatically updated every sunday at 20:00. (If new wrs).
But maybe it whould be to unpersonal and all the wr mystery dissaperar?

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 26 May 2009, 11:56

unpersonal, wr mystery, what are you talking about?? you want wrs to be updated once per two months as they are these days?

John · Post by **John** » 26 May 2009, 13:49

I couldn't agree more with zamppe, these month-long periods of time between WR-tables is far too long. px has done a great job for a very long time but I think it's time to let someone else take over now. I feel 100% trust in SveinR for this kind of job but I don't know if he's even interested (SveinR?).

klisse has a good point too. Automatic updates are already up and running on several Elmasites, with some slight modification I bet they could be adapted for WR-updating once a week. No?

Last but not least, if you want your WR to make it to the table don't hoyl it in Belma with 15 ppl spying you! ez

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 26 May 2009, 16:15

ez SveinR!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 26 May 2009, 17:17

SVEINR FOR THE WR UPDATER!!1

Gets my vote. I trust him.

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 27 May 2009, 09:34

Well... +1

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 27 May 2009, 16:15

absolutly... +2

Chris · Post by **Chris** » 27 May 2009, 23:40

Now we are going to wait 1 month for Sverin to answer whether he want to take care about WRs and another one to update WR Table.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 27 May 2009, 23:44

and another 5 months for update, because after all this anyway no one will do anything... useless whining, i'm afraid this is

Post by **SveinR** » 28 May 2009, 09:46

Heh, well, I'm honored to have been suggested and trusted to do this job. But ultimately, it's px's decision whether or not he wants to "step down" and who should take over. Sure, the WRs aren't updated often enough right now, but it wasn't that bad last year (it got updated every other to third week usually). But if px isn't motivated to do it anymore, he should of course find a replacement. I would be willing to take over, but I'm not happy with my frequency of Multi WR updates the past years so I don't know if I would be the best choice.

Don't forget that they're having trouble with the WR update software though, so if they manage to fix it px might get back to a more regular update frequency.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 28 May 2009, 11:48

also it shouldn't be taken as granted that stuff orbit around moposite any longer. russians for example barely come to this forum even, how long will it take that they make their own wr table as well. it's just bullshit you know what's going on atm, even if I dont make wrs and it shouldnt be a big deal for me, it's still bullshit.

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 28 May 2009, 16:03

fully agree with zweq on this one. What happens when people say enough and there is like 6 wr tables out there and you have to do some research to find out who actually has the wr. update the table!

Oh and while were bitching about stuff, zweq, your name should be zweg. that's how I pronounce it.

Jarkko · Post by **Jarkko** » 28 May 2009, 16:49

If the WR table isn't updated by the next monday, then just tell them here in the New WRs thread.

Or I don't mind if there will not be tables at all anymore. What about real time WRs and everyone upload straight to stats compare site, when they got one. Like now few peoples are done.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 28 May 2009, 17:16

i think updating internal wrs should be kept the way it is(was), because with real time updating many of the 9 years old statistics would die.

or actually as I think about it most of the table based statistics are a bit fucked up, such as wr age in tables (should be time) or on the bottom of wr owners with total sum of wrs in all tables.

perhaps realtime wrs would work after all. instead of table # you have wr #. whenever someone uploads a wr, all statistics are updated. wr table tt would for example become wrupdate tt instead.

Code: Select all

WR #5327 Pab       Warm Up    13.92   -0.05  WRTT 35.12.21    19.12 2012  
WR #5328 Mawane    Hang Tight 24.52   -0.09  WRTT 35.12.12    21.12 2012

In the future, such as EOL levelpack wrs will be realtime anyway

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 28 May 2009, 17:49

wasnt EOL supposed to have some realtime updating wrs? internal ones i mean

Are · Post by **Are** » 7 Jun 2009, 19:22

If nobody objects to it, I can put my name forward to px/abula for performing WR table updates. As SveinR's brother (living in the same house) I already can't do multi-WRs. Not to mention I have neither the talent nor the hoyling commitment to even attempt a normal WR

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 7 Jun 2009, 19:59

UPDATE THE FUCKING TABLE NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wanna see those 10 wrs

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 7 Jun 2009, 20:19

Px was online today, but was like hmmmm.... fak it i do another day

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 7 Jun 2009, 21:12

Mats wrote:Px was online today, but was like hmmmm.... fak it i do another day

lies

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 7 Jun 2009, 21:37

I admit it

Post by **Abula** » 18 Jul 2009, 18:20

It's better for community if WRs and Records are updated once in some period because that get's people to gather together in one time at one place. Therefore it's better to have Records updated once in week or something. But yet, of course they should be automatic too. So the system would gather states and replays duringn the week and the publish the results on Sunday at 18:00 or something.

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 18 Jul 2009, 18:24

Abula wrote:But yet, of course they should be automatic too. So the system would gather states and replays duringn the week and the publish the results on Sunday at 18:00 or something.

That's the system I was always dreaming about... I'm almost sure it's not so hard to code, and absolutely sure that most of kuskis would be very happy about that. Also it would probably increase the number of new WRs, if someone beats a WR just after the update, there is a chance that someone else will beat it even harder before next update.