New internal times

_FreaK_ · Post by **_FreaK_** » 20 Jul 2009, 15:14

and i dont think talli was trying real hard to get it accepted

and btw

steep corner 45:86

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 20 Jul 2009, 15:36

jaytea wrote:i think that by accepting Stini's bounce without explanation or reasoning, px has indicated to us that he is willing to accept any kind of bugbounce on that level. and by not accepting talli's i would hope that he provided talli with a precise quantitative explanation of what makes his unacceptable and Stini's acceptable

If I remember correctly, talli reaches the bounce later than Stini, but touches the flower before him? This would indicate his rec is even more buggish, and if Stini's bounce was borderline bug, then talli's must be a bug. Had talli reached the bounce before Stini, and had the bounce been equally fast, it would not have been concidered a bug.

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 20 Jul 2009, 18:33

Igge wrote:
jaytea wrote:i think that by accepting Stini's bounce without explanation or reasoning, px has indicated to us that he is willing to accept any kind of bugbounce on that level. and by not accepting talli's i would hope that he provided talli with a precise quantitative explanation of what makes his unacceptable and Stini's acceptable
If I remember correctly, talli reaches the bounce later than Stini, but touches the flower before him? This would indicate his rec is even more buggish, and if Stini's bounce was borderline bug, then talli's must be a bug. Had talli reached the bounce before Stini, and had the bounce been equally fast, it would not have been concidered a bug.

Depends on the quality of the bounce. Your implication is based on a false antecedent.
The fact that it's a bug bounce does not imply that a normal (or acceptable) bounce can't be done faster.
And even the case being, Stini's bounce was accepted so there's no actual full-proof reason why any better bounce should be rejected.

Dynamo · Post by **Dynamo** » 20 Jul 2009, 21:29

A typical 'bug', as everyone feels, implies that the bike leaves the object faster than when it has arrived at it, simply unnatural movements...that being said this rule can be up for interpretation and this has come up many times regarding enigma specifically...even on pipe where stini had finished with the 'pipe bounce' it was too buggy and not accepted, even though very similar to talli's case, it was a controlled move and had been executed similarly multiple times by stini himself.

I just find this grey area of buggy and not buggy something that needs to be resolved, there's only a few ways to do this..

1) Don't accept bounces. Period. (obviously not practical and doesn't help with the advancement of better times, also erases value of many wrs)
2) Accept ALL bounces, bugs or none as long as they are within reason (ie. the player has other replays supporting that their movements were intentional, so no bounces like in islands in the sky going all the way to flower hehe)
3) Rather than have one person decide whether or not the rec is legit, have an official panel that reviews it in detail, and if a review is made by this panel, have the results published with an explanation of why the rec was accepted/rejected.

That's all...sorry for the topic dumping

Kowal · Post by **Kowal** » 20 Jul 2009, 21:50

Expert System - 54.55

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 20 Jul 2009, 21:59

Gravity ride: 23,65

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 20 Jul 2009, 23:40

should we expect some nice wr now?

omg... really: oh my god, after so so so so many hours spent on enigma i have finally done it

Id like to officially thank Mielz, this turned out to be possible for me only thanks to his tips, i wouldn't have made it without his help

so:
Enigma - 31,76 (from 53,93)

ps. haeh, pwnd ya here smaxa, and gonna get ya in tt too

Mika_27 · Post by **Mika_27** » 21 Jul 2009, 04:21

The Steppes - 11.21

first finish

Mika_27 · Post by **Mika_27** » 21 Jul 2009, 05:58

11.07
Russian Record

Kowal · Post by **Kowal** » 21 Jul 2009, 08:33

nice Mika

Expert System - 54.39

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 21 Jul 2009, 09:15

Pawq wrote:should we expect some nice wr now?

omg... really: oh my god, after so so so so many hours spent on enigma i have finally done it Id like to officially thank Mielz, this turned out to be possible for me only thanks to his tips, i wouldn't have made it without his help

so:
Enigma - 31,76 (from 53,93)

ps. haeh, pwnd ya here smaxa, and gonna get ya in tt too

your still a minute away.

Kowal · Post by **Kowal** » 21 Jul 2009, 10:35

Expert System - 54.00

Mielz · Post by **Mielz** » 21 Jul 2009, 13:00

Pawq wrote:Id like to officially thank Mielz, this turned out to be possible for me only thanks to his tips, i wouldn't have made it without his help

thx and gratz, finally

Hehe - 58,91

gonna try wc here

and Kowal, ez wr

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 21 Jul 2009, 14:05

Kowal wrote:Expert System - 54.00

wow!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 21 Jul 2009, 17:20

Gravity ride: 23.62

jamppa · Post by **jamppa** » 22 Jul 2009, 15:03

Twin peaks: 18.06

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 22 Jul 2009, 16:37

Jaws: 1:03,28 --> 56,31

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 22 Jul 2009, 16:50

FinMan wrote:Jaws: 1:03,28 --> 56,31

pro finman, go make some 39 TT at least, nab!

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 22 Jul 2009, 16:51

Go away internalist

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 22 Jul 2009, 17:36

jamppa wrote:Twin peaks: 18.06

omg, sick

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 22 Jul 2009, 18:32

Mawane wrote:
jamppa wrote:Twin peaks: 18.06
omg, sick

It is!!

Ok... Warm Up 14.48, I said that?
Long Haul 35.90?
This one I'm sure it's new: Circuitous 34.03

29.41

Mielz · Post by **Mielz** » 22 Jul 2009, 20:28

Hehe - 58,39
Circu - 25,31 ez 24,low

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 22 Jul 2009, 20:30

Recent improvements:

07: 36.37 -> 34.06
33: 1.21.69 -> 1.13.56
39: 44.51 -> 41.68

I'm satisfied

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 22 Jul 2009, 20:31

o_O nice haircut!

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 22 Jul 2009, 22:10

freefall: 11.90
too bad, old PR was some 4-5 years old

Kowal · Post by **Kowal** » 22 Jul 2009, 22:21

Gravity Ride - 23.74

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 23 Jul 2009, 03:27

Downhill: 53.31 --> 52.42 (still with bad style and bad ending, gotta try newer styles)

Ecchi · Post by **Ecchi** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:05

The steppes: 14:57 and labyrinth 59:16

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 23 Jul 2009, 10:05

20mins hehe this morning

57:52

Kowal · Post by **Kowal** » 23 Jul 2009, 10:32

Bounce Back - 51.15

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 23 Jul 2009, 13:42

I just got this feeling that you're aiming for 36 min TT now kowal

Lukazz wrote:o_O nice haircut!

same as you XD

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 23 Jul 2009, 13:50

I have 49. o,o

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 23 Jul 2009, 14:17

well stupid idiot me was playing 24h tt, of course did a pr under diff name on diff state.

Ramp Frenzy: 1:02:34 -> 59:09, Good.

now i've either gotta beat it, or find a way to merge.

jamppa · Post by **jamppa** » 23 Jul 2009, 14:39

I don't think that should be really hard to do 59 on ramp frenzy again.. at least I can do it pretty easily

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 23 Jul 2009, 15:32

Ecchi wrote:The steppes: 14:57 and labyrinth 59:16

Nice, Ecchi! I'm trying to get lab under 1 min too

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 23 Jul 2009, 22:00

Boneless,

what time/level did you play to drop the time down?

Thanks,

Cfilorvy · Post by **Cfilorvy** » 23 Jul 2009, 23:04

SmaXa wrote:well stupid idiot me was playing 24h tt, of course did a pr under diff name on diff state.

Ramp Frenzy: 1:02:34 -> 59:09, Good.

now i've either gotta beat it, or find a way to merge.

I upload my state.dat on stats.elastomania.ru. I've probably uploaded 3 different state-files there, but get all my best times. You don't get those nice stats and all, but you get your tt :p

Mats · Post by **Mats** » 24 Jul 2009, 01:01

SmaXa wrote:well stupid idiot me was playing 24h tt, of course did a pr under diff name on diff state.

Ramp Frenzy: 1:02:34 -> 59:09, Good.

now i've either gotta beat it, or find a way to merge.

Guess this would help you

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 24 Jul 2009, 03:39

Memphis wrote:Boneless,

what time/level did you play to drop the time down?

Thanks,

dropped downhill to 52.xx, still sucks ducks.

Ecchi · Post by **Ecchi** » 24 Jul 2009, 08:44

The steppes: 13:04 SO fækkings close to pro now;<

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 25 Jul 2009, 02:29

Enigma from 20:34 to 19:71 tonight

Still no strong bounce but i hope i get one soon...

Think its the best from norway???

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 25 Jul 2009, 03:42

Tor seems to have 19,40.

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 25 Jul 2009, 03:42

Thunder wrote:Enigma from 20:34 to 19:71 tonight
Still no strong bounce but i hope i get one soon...

Think its the best from norway???

dont overwrite your recs, some might be classed in bugs

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 25 Jul 2009, 05:32

Ramp Frenzy: 1:02:34/59:09 -> 56:38

Random run, Pro and Australian record, fucking awesome!

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 25 Jul 2009, 07:27

Im going to keep all of my recs from 20:00 and down to 18:99... So i can compare and have some evidence of different bounce

I hate that Tor is from norway

Kowal · Post by **Kowal** » 25 Jul 2009, 09:57

Upside Down - 1:01.17

ez much better

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 25 Jul 2009, 14:26

some bored cruising on shit laptop vsync on >.<
tunnel terror 1:03 -> 59,51

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 25 Jul 2009, 17:52

Thunder wrote:Im going to keep all of my recs from 20:00 and down to 18:99... So i can compare and have some evidence of different bounce

I hate that Tor is from norway

make 18.98 and don't save rec =D

Kowal · Post by **Kowal** » 25 Jul 2009, 22:06

Upside Down - 1:00.93

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 26 Jul 2009, 09:16

If i get under 18:98 my elma time is over... Then you can find my computer on Ebay