Do we want a new version of Elma?

Feature requests and ideas for the new unofficial versions of Elma and general talk related to those.

Moderator: Moporators

User avatar
totem
39mins club
Posts: 328
Joined: 26 Dec 2007, 14:04

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by totem »

Qt is good, in my opinion better choice than boost library
Ropelli
Kuski
Posts: 114
Joined: 30 Apr 2007, 13:20

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Ropelli »

totem wrote:Qt is good, in my opinion better choice than boost library
they serve whole different things, and besides, how qt is even appropriate for opengl-like software?
User avatar
totem
39mins club
Posts: 328
Joined: 26 Dec 2007, 14:04

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by totem »

Ropelli wrote:they serve whole different things
agreed, yet both could be used here
Ropelli wrote:besides, how qt is even appropriate for opengl-like software?
there is GL support in Qt, look at last version of NEW!

This said, we would have to distribute elma2 with Qt dlls. QtCore if only core functionnalities are used, QtOpenGL and QtGui if we want to use Qt as GL support
User avatar
Lousku
Kuski
Posts: 2925
Joined: 5 Feb 2010, 00:25
Team: BAP
Location: expensive land of dads

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Lousku »

Pawq wrote:everyone would have to learn elma basically from scratch, this time using both alos.
Gross exaggeration. You'd adapt to it in a matter of weeks. That still doesn't mean it's a good idea, though.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
Smibu
Kuski
Posts: 476
Joined: 15 Jun 2007, 13:17
Location: Finland

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Smibu »

There's an IRC channel for Elma 2 now, see this topic for details.
Last edited by Smibu on 29 Mar 2013, 11:23, edited 4 times in total.
User avatar
Kopaka
39mins club
Posts: 6610
Joined: 23 May 2002, 13:59
Team: LAME
Location: In a northern danish city beating YOUR record.
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Kopaka »

Seems there's different opinions as to wether we want an elma 2 or an elma 1.4. Where elma 2 would be gameplay changing features that require fresh wr table etc, and elma 1.4 would be same basic gameplay with added convinience features.

What I would propose is something like a hybrid between the two. WRs, normal battles etc. are played with same basic gameplay as now, meaning no left alo or ghost bike. But you can add left alo the same way we have one wheel or no brake atm. in EOL. Something you can add as a cripple in a battle, something you can turn on/off when playing normally and the times would be saved with a flag and not into normal best time tables. Then you can make whatever teleports, exploding bananas and icy ground you want.

Of course the big overarching issue in regard to prolonging the life of elma is compatibility with modern operating systems. Even with PC's made 12 years after elma's release there can be problem with applications in the baggrund, dz reported big issues with win8, there's a lot of issues in linux, color issues etc. So stuff like framework which you're already talking about is some of the most important stuff.

This is big project, if we were to do this, we would need maybe a handfull of developers. In theory one guy might be able to do it in a couple years, but like with mila and EOL there will always be times where you have no orka or where there's too many other things taking up time, and it would end up never being finished completely.

Then there's something to be decided about how decisions should be made, just having developers make whatever features they fancy is gonna be a mess. Needs of course public discussion about everything, maybe a topic for each little feature, but maybe also some decision making group or whatever, and developers makes only what have been decided here. Need developers we can trust, and/or that they check each others code, so someone doesn't add 1008 speed for himself ;). About balazs I dunno, he is aware of EOL but haven't sued anyone. Would be nice to hire him and Csaba to make new internals 8).
Smibu
Kuski
Posts: 476
Joined: 15 Jun 2007, 13:17
Location: Finland

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Smibu »

Here's a link for planning the new features: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Tu ... Fb_d8/edit
User avatar
Pingywings
Kuski
Posts: 277
Joined: 29 Jan 2012, 16:10
Team: singy
Location: UK

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Pingywings »

sounds good, is it pasibel to have a better internal editor?
Image
User avatar
Igge
38mins club
Posts: 6393
Joined: 7 Apr 2007, 12:15
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Igge »

Pingywings wrote:sounds good, is it pasibel to have a better internal editor?
No.
John: lol hittade ett popcorn i naveln
(19:52:06) (@Madnezz) The Golden Apple Award goes to.....
(19:52:36) (@Madnezz) ib9814.lev by igge!!!
Zweq wrote:99.9999% of nabs haven't even opened the book yet and most of those that have are still on the first pages
User avatar
umiz
Kuski
Posts: 381
Joined: 22 Oct 2005, 09:32

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by umiz »

Igge wrote:
Pingywings wrote:sounds good, is it pasibel to have a better internal editor?
No.
Its already perfect.
[i cruise, i lev, i live]
culinko
38mins club
Posts: 1551
Joined: 29 Dec 2002, 19:17
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by culinko »

Smibu wrote:Here's a link for planning the new features: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Tu ... Fb_d8/edit
i agree with all except left alo, turbo, 3D, gears.

also, there are some "minor things" mentioned here: http://trivia.idiaths.ru/ - like different wheel size, menu helmet, overlapping bike textures and other similar graphical glitches.
Image
User avatar
ville_j
Kuski
Posts: 1506
Joined: 17 Aug 2002, 15:45
Team: IS
Location: on the roof
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by ville_j »

CuLiNo wrote: i agree with all except left alo, turbo, 3D, gears.
Hopefully you did notice these are in NOT WANTED section =)
< roopemies> horror and frustrating and can't play, sounds just like you
Beer battle winner 2014 and 2015
culinko
38mins club
Posts: 1551
Joined: 29 Dec 2002, 19:17
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by culinko »

Ville_J wrote:
CuLiNo wrote: i agree with all except left alo, turbo, 3D, gears.
Hopefully you did notice these are in NOT WANTED section =)
some of them are crossed out, so i have no idea what does that mean
Image
Benjamin
Kuski
Posts: 10
Joined: 25 Sep 2011, 18:34
Team: Blue

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Benjamin »

Nice initiative, there are so many things possible with a complete new Elma from scratch.

Before right alovolt was patched, alo´s where almost impsy. Then new wr's were driven. Why is adding left alo then wrong? It's almost the same situation...
User avatar
Lousku
Kuski
Posts: 2925
Joined: 5 Feb 2010, 00:25
Team: BAP
Location: expensive land of dads

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Lousku »

Benjamin wrote:Before right alovolt was patched, alo´s where almost impsy.
Nat. Easy to master. Not the same situation at all as it's actually impsy to perform left alo with current physics.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
User avatar
Zweq
34mins club
Posts: 4055
Joined: 28 Nov 2002, 15:54
Location: suo mesta

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Zweq »

Back in the day ppl didn't know how to fiddle with vsync, or some cards didnt even use to have that option, so you might be stuck with low or high fps. With low fps you could do alovolt pretty consistently. So it was just a fair patch . Reversed alovolt is just arbitrary shit
Image
User avatar
Grace
38mins club
Posts: 4843
Joined: 19 Nov 2005, 10:45
Location: Deep in your Imagination, Twirling your Dreams and Weaving your thoughts.

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Grace »

Some musings:

1. I think we should further the organisation of how level packs work. Sometimes when downloading new levs from a pack you get wrong levs from EOL db, get names uncapitalised etc.

Is it possible to separate packs into another folder? lev folder, rec folder, pack folder. Packs each have own folders inside for each pack, lev folder just random externals/balle

Currently there is some system in game for Level packs but it never really worked as intended. Perhaps some "download pack" key necessary and we have a list of packs where the designer submits on teh EOL site or to some admin a complete pack - where all is as intended to be. Then we have pack added to site and if you download that pack, it downloads the full pack to pack folder in it's own already divided folder. Can have "external levels" and "pack levels" as separate openable directories ingame similar to how we have externals now. This would fix the current messy system we have on EOL site that has errors due to duplicated entities in database and so on, so forth.

----

2. Ingame support for starting battles, aborting battles, stopping battles etc. This could go quite nicely with that "mouse support" option. Right click a lev, click "Start balle" and it takes you to a menu that has all the normal startballe.exe options. Should be able to see queued levs using F3 as "13 minute first battle" or some and when right click it shows designer and maybe some level stats like #apples/flowers, "One Wheel/First Finish/slowness/Left Alo" etc. Mods can abort queued levs using this right click function. Important to always have current balle in queue as well so can abort/stop DURING balle also.

----

3. More rides recorded - have stats2.txt and when you go "See Best Times" in levik, it show also "See more times" and can go to see mb 1000 saved times or 100 or something. Could just use same scroll options as searching levs/recs

----

4. Mouse support - need mouse control in lev directory and rec directory. Mousewheel for uberfast scrolls, click a lev/rec = start playing teh.

----

5. This is a little bit more difficult, but is it possible to make an ingame interface/database area for something like VJ's rec database? Whereby we have a centralised location for some levs where recs can be uploaded. Could work nicely again with mouse options. Click on a rec "Show ride details" comes up as one option which is current Ctrl+Alt+Enter, also "Set as ghost" which can be toggled on and off by some hotkey during ride, Other options include "upload to replay database" which takes rec to replay database and now your rec there including who drove it so can always see. Would be like

42.
47.35 by Tm
47.39 by Thundr-
... etc

If you click on teh rec, it download. If you right click on teh rec, it show details include maybe self-writed description (optional) and appel times, max speed, onewheel etc.

Could also have New replays uploaded section on EOL site.

----

that is all for now, i have many ideas more though
Image Cyberscore! Image
___________________________________________________
Image
Targets: 6 Legendary, 23 WC, 20 Pro, 5 Good | AvgTT: 39:59:96
User avatar
Hosp
38mins club
Posts: 2105
Joined: 30 Aug 2009, 20:55
Team: MiE
Location: up yours
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Hosp »

Nice ideas Haruhi but I like to use the keyboard for everything in game except making levels in editor, so if you do mouse thingys I think you should still make it poss to use keyboard to watch replays and enter levels and all.
Image
ToMaT
User avatar
Grace
38mins club
Posts: 4843
Joined: 19 Nov 2005, 10:45
Location: Deep in your Imagination, Twirling your Dreams and Weaving your thoughts.

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Grace »

Hosp wrote:Nice ideas Haruhi but I like to use the keyboard for everything in game except making levels in editor, so if you do mouse thingys I think you should still make it poss to use keyboard to watch replays and enter levels and all.
of course.
Image Cyberscore! Image
___________________________________________________
Image
Targets: 6 Legendary, 23 WC, 20 Pro, 5 Good | AvgTT: 39:59:96
User avatar
Kopaka
39mins club
Posts: 6610
Joined: 23 May 2002, 13:59
Team: LAME
Location: In a northern danish city beating YOUR record.
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Kopaka »

Haruhi wrote:yada yada
I imagine it being very integrated with eol database. As in all times of yours you see ingame are those that are saved in db. Maybe not best idea to have it load directly from db everytime, but at least being able to sync it. So for example you can get your times back when reinstalling, or can see your times instantly when logging in to elma from another's comp. (of coruse a bit more stats shown in-game than now, like TT) Same would go for settings and stuff aswell. Same with levels, maybe replays: You can browse and dl all packs that are created on the site, kind of like you said. But again it's sync'd which you have dl'd. And maybe better than folders, you can select diff filters like packs, battle, other, and within those filter by year, month or designer. Again it can check which levs are battles from db etc.

Imo this would be one of the most useful convinient features and biggest reasons to make a new version, besides what I said in earlier post.
culinko
38mins club
Posts: 1551
Joined: 29 Dec 2002, 19:17
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by culinko »

agree with Haruhi. and having a replay database would be max.
Image
User avatar
Bludek
38mins club
Posts: 1725
Joined: 23 Sep 2009, 10:56
Team: CART
Location: Some pub in Prague

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Bludek »

yes, I would love to have TT showed in-game! Maybe next to player's name or more likely in the menu
Image

possible in EOL yet?
Image
EOL top 10 kuski of 2014 and 2015.
21:03:48 <umiz> i like 99% of bludek levels
culinko
38mins club
Posts: 1551
Joined: 29 Dec 2002, 19:17
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by culinko »

just remembered another bug in replays. sometimes, the run is finished, but it seems you are few milimeters away from the flower.
Image
User avatar
zebra
Kuski
Posts: 1009
Joined: 23 Sep 2003, 15:35
Team: TAP
Location: Finland
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by zebra »

Some ideas:

There could be a master server, which would be used to find game servers. A dedicated server exe would be available so everyone who wishes could make his own (uphill) server. I think multiple servers could be needed if this elma 2 becomes available for free and a new generation will rise. Levels and recs could be saved to master server and those could be the official wrs. A dedicated server could be put up in a LAN where there is not necessarily connection to master server. Or can we assume there is always internet connection?

If we are going to make everything from scratch, I think it will be Elma 2.0. If we were only patching the Elma 1.3 or EOL, then it could be called Elma 1.4. Also I think that Across is still better known than Elma, so this project's name could be Across 3.0.
A winner of 4 GAA's (mc2 included), winner of mkup206, and a proud member of team TAP.
Play uni levels: http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/uni.html
Homepage: http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/elma.html
User avatar
Grace
38mins club
Posts: 4843
Joined: 19 Nov 2005, 10:45
Location: Deep in your Imagination, Twirling your Dreams and Weaving your thoughts.

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Grace »

elma > across
Image Cyberscore! Image
___________________________________________________
Image
Targets: 6 Legendary, 23 WC, 20 Pro, 5 Good | AvgTT: 39:59:96
User avatar
Bludek
38mins club
Posts: 1725
Joined: 23 Sep 2009, 10:56
Team: CART
Location: Some pub in Prague

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Bludek »

zebra wrote:Also I think that Across is still better known than Elma, so this project's name could be Across 3.0.
bullshit :D
zebra wrote:Or can we assume there is always internet connection?
yes
Image
EOL top 10 kuski of 2014 and 2015.
21:03:48 <umiz> i like 99% of bludek levels
culinko
38mins club
Posts: 1551
Joined: 29 Dec 2002, 19:17
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by culinko »

Haruhi wrote:elma > across
Image
User avatar
Zweq
34mins club
Posts: 4055
Joined: 28 Nov 2002, 15:54
Location: suo mesta

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Zweq »

whats up with the across disrespect 8) that's where all the cool decisions and polishing work for elma were made. Too bad with the collision detection/reaction bug in vertices. What's really cool about elma/across is that the wheel is actually perfectly nonelastic (or whatever) so it doesn't bounce at all, instead all the energy goes in the suspension mechanism. So if you take an elma wheel and throw it on a wall it would stick on the wall and slowly start sliding down)
Image
User avatar
Hosp
38mins club
Posts: 2105
Joined: 30 Aug 2009, 20:55
Team: MiE
Location: up yours
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Hosp »

In-game shirt creator would be coal.
Image
ToMaT
User avatar
jonsykkel
Kuski
Posts: 982
Joined: 24 Nov 2009, 20:53
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by jonsykkel »

Zweq wrote:What's really cool about elma/across is that the wheel is actually perfectly nonelastic (or whatever) so it doesn't bounce at all, instead all the energy goes in the suspension mechanism. So if you take an elma wheel and throw it on a wall it would stick on the wall and slowly start sliding down)
yehh =)d thats the reason its so smooth compared to most other bikecycle games
status:ONLINE - - -  drinking:GOFE - - - iq:85 - - - elasto mania ranking:#1
User avatar
Lousku
Kuski
Posts: 2925
Joined: 5 Feb 2010, 00:25
Team: BAP
Location: expensive land of dads

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Lousku »

zebra wrote:There could be a master server, which would be used to find game servers. A dedicated server exe would be available so everyone who wishes could make his own (uphill) server. I think multiple servers could be needed if this elma 2 becomes available for free and a new generation will rise. Levels and recs could be saved to master server and those could be the official wrs. A dedicated server could be put up in a LAN where there is not necessarily connection to master server. Or can we assume there is always internet connection?
Was some discussion about this on irc last night, I'll just paste:

Code: Select all

[01:57:54] <Louskebab> how about simultaneous battles? private battles? has been any discussion about teh?
[01:58:06] <Louskebab> would be much more imaginable if cursor added
[01:58:29] <@Markku-> with mouse support, balle starting should be ez ingame
[01:58:35] <@Markku-> no need for separate startballe
[01:58:42] <@Kopaka> would be nice ye, atleast to plan it from start so possible to do
[01:58:46] <Louskebab> yeah, but many battles running at same time?
[01:58:58] <@Kopaka> could be awesome for meetings and such
[01:59:06] <Louskebab> yeah. private servers even?
[01:59:12] <Louskebab> lan flagtag :ooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[01:59:39] <@Markku-> private uphill server for nekit and madness
[01:59:45] <@Kopaka> no reason to no be able to see everyone else aswell, a private battle could just be locked to outsiders so they don't play it too
[01:59:59] <@Markku-> yeo
[02:00:16] <Louskebab> didn't get teh, hmm?
[02:00:29] <@Kopaka> like you set specific ppl that can play it
[02:00:33] <@Markku-> start private balle, select participants
[02:00:35] <@Kopaka> others can still see you in f5
[02:00:39] <@Kopaka> but cant dl the lev nad play
[02:00:45] <Louskebab> ah ye
[02:01:02] <Louskebab> meant that as "no reason for priva servers" ?
[02:01:16] <@Kopaka> ye
[02:01:28] <Louskebab> well.. uptime would be a reason
[02:01:31] <Louskebab> and lag
[02:02:08] <Louskebab> flagtag already is mostly hard to play because of lag
[02:02:19] <@Kopaka> well, with offline caching that is sent to server when back, and also you need to send times to same db all the time if make wr and sach
[02:02:48] <@Kopaka> hmm ye, lag as to how you see others are a prob
[02:03:10] <@Kopaka> wouldn't help with priv server though?
[02:03:15] <@Kopaka> it's ping in flagtag
[02:03:23] <@Markku-> would work fine in lan i guess
[02:03:25] <Louskebab> then it'd be dependent on your own hardware, no?
[02:03:38] <@Kopaka> ah ye in lan pasibel it would be fine
[02:03:51] <Louskebab> rare situations where own server would be needed, though. maybe not enough for a relatively huge addition.
[02:04:17] <@Kopaka> ez some "sync bike positions over lan when possible" option :)
That covers pretty much all the potential benefits of having a public dedicated server exe, no?
zebra wrote:Also I think that Across is still better known than Elma, so this project's name could be Across 3.0.
That seems to be true in Finland. Not sure. Good idea anyway.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
User avatar
zebra
Kuski
Posts: 1009
Joined: 23 Sep 2003, 15:35
Team: TAP
Location: Finland
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by zebra »

Lousku wrote:
zebra wrote:Also I think that Across is still better known than Elma, so this project's name could be Across 3.0.
That seems to be true in Finland. Not sure. Good idea anyway.
At least it's true when I have talked with some of my old friends :) And Across was the game I fell in love with. Elma was just an (essential) update to it that worked also in Windows. Actually I was a bit disappointed that Elma had 99% the same levels than in Across, so basically there wasn't so much new (only a little more elasticity).

Another question is that who will make the graphics? There will be 32-bit graphics (I guess) in this new version. So who is good at making 2d graphics?
A winner of 4 GAA's (mc2 included), winner of mkup206, and a proud member of team TAP.
Play uni levels: http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/uni.html
Homepage: http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/elma.html
User avatar
Pascal
Kuski
Posts: 134
Joined: 26 Sep 2007, 07:33
Location: Poznan, Poland

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Pascal »

I like some ideas from Snadles' video Elastomania: What If? - Object Triggers (Doors) and Telekinesis (this one would be cool for some balles). Possible to do?
User avatar
pawq
38mins club
Posts: 6547
Joined: 24 Aug 2008, 19:56
Team: TR
Location: Southampton, UK

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by pawq »

Image
User avatar
Lee
37mins club
Posts: 2362
Joined: 22 Apr 2005, 05:12
Location: New Zealand

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Lee »

Just thought of another idea:
Using polygons as masking instead of being restricted to those three rectangular pictures. This is a must imo.
culinko
38mins club
Posts: 1551
Joined: 29 Dec 2002, 19:17
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by culinko »

Lee wrote:Just thought of another idea:
Using polygons as masking instead of being restricted to those three rectangular pictures. This is a must imo.
yeah that is a cool idea
Image
User avatar
Grace
38mins club
Posts: 4843
Joined: 19 Nov 2005, 10:45
Location: Deep in your Imagination, Twirling your Dreams and Weaving your thoughts.

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Grace »

Lee wrote:Just thought of another idea:
Using polygons as masking instead of being restricted to those three rectangular pictures. This is a must imo.
Yes, this is one of the most important features.
Image Cyberscore! Image
___________________________________________________
Image
Targets: 6 Legendary, 23 WC, 20 Pro, 5 Good | AvgTT: 39:59:96
User avatar
Lee
37mins club
Posts: 2362
Joined: 22 Apr 2005, 05:12
Location: New Zealand

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Lee »

Just adding to my last post:
Being able to select a texture for an individual polygon, thus removing the need for masking at all in some cases.
User avatar
Zweq
34mins club
Posts: 4055
Joined: 28 Nov 2002, 15:54
Location: suo mesta

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Zweq »

i think if you're gonna fix apple bug there should still be possibility to create levs with skippable apples, add some shit to lev format or something
Image
User avatar
Lousku
Kuski
Posts: 2925
Joined: 5 Feb 2010, 00:25
Team: BAP
Location: expensive land of dads

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Lousku »

Also pasibel simple addition: levs without flowers. Take all appels and it's finished.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
J-sim
39mins club
Posts: 835
Joined: 1 Sep 2002, 16:48

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by J-sim »

that's a pretty fucking good idea right there!

edit: to try and just contribute a little bit - a battlestart alert pop-up type thing would be nice. could perhaps be customizable to certain battle types, lengths or designers of your chosing.
User avatar
dz
first 39tt
Posts: 3749
Joined: 19 May 2002, 15:16
Team: FM
Location: Finland
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by dz »

Oh dear, this is so chaotic. I understand the first reactions full of excitement but before it gets any serious there needs to be a proper project management that takes this up and proper decision making process.

Sounds exciting though. But how to proceed, that's the biggest challenge.
User avatar
Lousku
Kuski
Posts: 2925
Joined: 5 Feb 2010, 00:25
Team: BAP
Location: expensive land of dads

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Lousku »

Yeah, this topic is not wheer the planning happens. #new-elma @ ircnet, and some other supersecret places!
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
User avatar
trew
38mins club
Posts: 504
Joined: 2 Dec 2009, 00:04

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by trew »

Lousku wrote:Also pasibel simple addition: levs without flowers. Take all appels and it's finished.
A few of that kind of lev has been battled. Basicly you put flowers and apples on the same places, so it's definitely something that can be added to a new version.
Image
Fucking broken image every month
User avatar
Igge
38mins club
Posts: 6393
Joined: 7 Apr 2007, 12:15
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Igge »

Lousku wrote:Also pasibel simple addition: levs without flowers. Take all appels and it's finished.
Just add a flower to every appel
John: lol hittade ett popcorn i naveln
(19:52:06) (@Madnezz) The Golden Apple Award goes to.....
(19:52:36) (@Madnezz) ib9814.lev by igge!!!
Zweq wrote:99.9999% of nabs haven't even opened the book yet and most of those that have are still on the first pages
Ropelli
Kuski
Posts: 114
Joined: 30 Apr 2007, 13:20

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Ropelli »

dz wrote:Oh dear, this is so chaotic. I understand the first reactions full of excitement but before it gets any serious there needs to be a proper project management that takes this up and proper decision making process.

Sounds exciting though. But how to proceed, that's the biggest challenge.
It is already serious. Design about the implementation have been already decided, and some basic coding is done. Still, the project should be actively developed, so it should have at least couple of people who understands coding and the code. Now what I have experienced, there are actually quite few people who could actually do this. And it seems they aren't that interested in it. For example, totem said he won't have much time on it, and others haven't done anything about the code yet. They haven't been that active on the plannings a
either. It will take forever if there aren't people actually making this happen. Features can be discussed later, now people should focus on the making.
User avatar
Zweq
34mins club
Posts: 4055
Joined: 28 Nov 2002, 15:54
Location: suo mesta

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Zweq »

dz: well there was just some brainstorming goin on.

Perhaps it's unnecessary to write all shit about new features atm, I just wanted to make sure no classic bugs that have become features are fixed later and then forgotten.
Image
User avatar
totem
39mins club
Posts: 328
Joined: 26 Dec 2007, 14:04

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by totem »

Ye sorry, I'm too old for that now

i spent so much time on NEW!
It's like 40,000 lines of code in the end I guess, not counting what I've done and deleted, refactored, rewritten, etc. for more than 2,5 years (but i was alone and without specifications).
IMO Elma2 is not expected to demand less work, i don't really know. Nevertheless I can review code and help every now and then of course
User avatar
zebra
Kuski
Posts: 1009
Joined: 23 Sep 2003, 15:35
Team: TAP
Location: Finland
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by zebra »

I'm still interested but I don't have much time right now.
I think planning is maybe even more important to do now than implement it right away. Now it's easy to plan which features we really want. Some features may require that we implement the game in certain way and now it's still easy to change. Anyway I think that we already know quite well what we want :)
A winner of 4 GAA's (mc2 included), winner of mkup206, and a proud member of team TAP.
Play uni levels: http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/uni.html
Homepage: http://koti.mbnet.fi/zebra/elma.html
User avatar
Kopaka
39mins club
Posts: 6610
Joined: 23 May 2002, 13:59
Team: LAME
Location: In a northern danish city beating YOUR record.
Contact:

Re: Do we want a new version of Elma?

Post by Kopaka »

I started a list of coders on the implementation doc, so that we might get a better idea who is interested in helping, and what kind of skills and knowledge people have. So if you want to help, add yourself there, with nick, relevant skills, and what you might want to do. To get an idea what kind of "jobs" there could be, ropelli wrote this at some point:

Code: Select all

(Ropelli_) yeah well what ive been thinking that there is an interface between all these stuff, like drawing(opengl), maths(physics & collisions), network code, etc and each one could focus on their own thing
If you don't have edit rights to the doc, contact ropelli with your gmail.
Post Reply