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New name for the unofficial Elma project?

EOL2
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Elma CE
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New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Smibu » 14 Dec 2017, 16:33

Official Elma 2 is out, so the unofficial Elma project needs a new tentative name. After discussing in Discord, I picked 2 candidates for this poll.

CE = Community Edition

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by bene » 14 Dec 2017, 16:34

Can't vote for :bear: of elma avocado

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by kuchitsu » 14 Dec 2017, 18:50

EOL2 is easier to pronounce and much less confusing.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Bjenn » 15 Dec 2017, 09:33

How is EOL2 "Elasto Mania Online 2/Elma Online 2" not confusing with Elasto Mania 2?

Elma CE sounds fair.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Madness » 17 Dec 2017, 13:25

How about we rename Elma 2 by Balazs to Action SuperCross 2.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Lousku » 17 Dec 2017, 14:11

Neither of thise options feels perfect but I don't hev a better alternative... Maybe someone will invent perfect name down the line.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by milagros » 17 Dec 2017, 16:28

openElma seems fine to me

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Lousku » 17 Dec 2017, 16:51

Elasto Utopia :^)

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Hosp » 17 Dec 2017, 19:31

Elasto Mania 1.4
final version of elma should be 1.6 like cs 1.6

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by kuchitsu » 17 Dec 2017, 20:45

milagros wrote:openElma seems fine to me
Only if it doesn't come with the original graphics or levels.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Ruben » 18 Dec 2017, 14:36

I suggest drawing on our vast acrossish vocabulary. So many words and combinations, and it'd be central to the plot.

Kuski Supercross :beer:

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Hosp » 18 Dec 2017, 16:00

Elmäö
NEW! online
Elmik
sykkel online
balle online
#across online

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Schumi » 18 Dec 2017, 20:40

Elasto Mania X

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Smibu » 21 Dec 2017, 22:28

Poll has been running for a week now and the gap seems clear, so EOL2 is the winner name. I'll start renaming stuff.
Bjenn wrote:How is EOL2 "Elasto Mania Online 2/Elma Online 2" not confusing with Elasto Mania 2?
I think people will use the words "elma2" and "eol2" most of the time. Seems clear enough.
milagros wrote:openElma seems fine to me
Would agree if eol2 were open source for real, and I hope some day it will be.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Sla » 21 Dec 2017, 23:20

EOL2 = Elma Online 2
Smibu are u planning to make it online in the near future?

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Ruben » 22 Dec 2017, 00:35

Surely:

EOL2 = Elma On Line 2

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Bludek » 22 Dec 2017, 09:44

ppl tend to shorten things to the smallest fraction possible.

I can easily see someone using Elma2 when they would actually mean Elasto Mania online 2...

So I change my mind, something else than EOL2 would be better. Also EOL was build as a patch to original Elasto Mania. This unofficial Elma project is made from sratch, so they are a bit different in that thing.. I would love to see what name people use in eol chat for this project of yours. Maybe EOL2 actually IS the best name, but I'd give it a nice long thought.

Are we in a hurry with the name? I don't think so.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by pawq » 22 Dec 2017, 11:27

Imo the idea was that we need something "for now", and it wouldn't be final. Tbh I also changed my mind just after voting, but the vote gap is still clear. Imo the problem with Elma CE is that it's not catchy enough :(

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Abula » 4 Mar 2018, 14:59

I would also prefer a name that can't be mixed with Elma 2 or EOL (2006 or 2010 or 2). We have now:

* Elasto Mania 1.0, 1.1, 1.11, 1.11a
* Elasto Mania 1.11h, 1.11hb, 1.2 (very final)
* Elma Online (2006) aka EOL
* Belma
* Elma Online (2010) aka EOL aka Elasto Mania 1.3
* Elasto Mania 2

Ok, so what would be unique and as less confusing as possible? Ideal top-3:

1. Talk to Balázs and do co-op and Elasto Mania 3.
2. Elasto Mania 1.4
3. Totally new name which can't be mixed with older community versions or versions that have "2" somewhere in the name. Belma was good.

"1.3" reads in the start menu in EOL. Thanks to whoever got it there?

Hibernatus took 1.2, EOL is 1.3 and now we would have 1.4. It's not convenient that the community versions are overlapping with the official versions but Hibernatus did the move. Maybe Balázs will respect this and never makes a version with same number. He can go on with 1.11aa, 1.11aaa ... or 1.11aa2? :mrhat:
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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by milagros » 4 Mar 2018, 15:17

Abula wrote:
4 Mar 2018, 14:59
Talk to Balázs and do co-op and Elasto Mania 3.
I tried to buy elma rights but Balazs refused to sell
Abula wrote:
4 Mar 2018, 14:59
"1.3" reads in the start menu in EOL. Thanks to whoever got it there?
You are welcome.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Bludek » 5 Mar 2018, 10:00

I actually like official name "Elasto Mania 1.4" a lot now! Feels like natural successor.

Another name, that came to my mind, could be simply "New Elma".
That name is inspired by this square in Prague, which was build rather quickly cca 10 years ago and local government was in a hurry for a new name. Some guy suggested name "New square" (Nové náměstí) and now it is called like that. I even heard that he got 5k CZK (cca 200 EUR) for that suggestion, which is kinda nice.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Abula » 5 Mar 2018, 19:10

I'll use Elasto Mania 1.3 in the article after getting several positive comments from relevant ppl and especially because it's the most official version name that we have.

Elma Online = the concept idea (and the website)
EOL = work name of all Elma Online patches (and all its dev versions including belma and eol (2006) which aren't relevant anymore)
1.3 = the final outcome the new people need to be aware of

So in this logic 1.4 would make sense if it is backward compatible like 1.2 and 1.3 were and made by the community. But please inform Balázs that he doesn't accidently use same number.

Elma3 = Balázs & Smibu & Community co-op (brand + knowledge + data)
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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by milagros » 6 Mar 2018, 10:34

elma 1.2 and 1.3 were built on the top of elma 1.11
new version is a complete rewrite, so I think 1.4 is not appropriate
but whatever, i don't think anyone cares about the name

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by pawq » 6 Mar 2018, 11:33

All is fine and dandy with the reasoning Abula, but you're overlooking one (pretty important) aspect: what EOL is known as among the community

EOL, exactly. Can easily imagine newcomers thinking "hey, what is this elma 1.4, some patch to the old non-online version? I want EOL!"

Moposite Go Elsewhere no. 1 is "Play Elma Online (EOL)"
The EOL website is at "elmaonline.net" and has a big "Elma Online" header
The EOL executable is called "eol.exe" and the configuration file is called "eolconf.exe"
There are 94 topic on Mopolauta that include the word "EOL", and 16 topics that include the words "Elma Online"

I can't think of a place, other than the EOL loading screen (and probably some places in the code) where it says "Elasto Mania version 1.3" or something similar.

If despite all this you still think that using "Elma 1.3" is more intuitive or logical then :shrug:

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Abula » 6 Mar 2018, 19:07

Yes, well I might understand more after researching the 2010-2018 period. I'm just thinking that in year 2038 when we have 5 versions more, would be easier this way than having five different EOL concepts (2006, belma, 2010, website, EOL2) in the history. If EOL (2010) is the last version ever created, then it's fine. But we don't know yet. And I won't touch any of those links, topics etc. where EOL is used, just keep in mind the 1.3 number in case the next version will happen which will be EOL again.
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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by ribot » 6 Mar 2018, 23:13

Like mila said 1.4 doesn't make sense since it's a complete rewrite. Elma 2 is a rewrite of elasto mania and Eol2 is a rewrite of eol.

I really dislike names like Elma CE since it gets confusing for newcomes which version to get. Like there used to be different versions of java and didn't know which to get. Also don't know difference between windows pro and windows home.

When across was rewritten it was named elasto mania. Even if it's been done in history doesn't mean it's a good idea.

This is simply the new version of Elma Online, and Elasto Mania online is exactly what it is about. And would be quite bad to name it EMO since the website is elmaonline. The name elmaonline 2 is good also because of the website name and seo.

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Tigro » 7 Mar 2018, 00:15

If we have trouble assigning it a number, maybe assign it a letter. Since the new Elma is a redesign of Elma, we can call it "Elma R" (or whatever other letter we want)

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by kuchitsu » 7 Mar 2018, 11:49

elmax o,o

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Re: New name for the unofficial Elma project?

Post by Abula » 2 Apr 2018, 21:32

After research: EOL2 is good

(Elasto Mania 3 must be done in co-op)
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