elma in xp

alpina · Post by **alpina** » 9 Jan 2003, 15:48

where can I download the elma xp patch?

Napoleon · Post by **Napoleon** » 9 Jan 2003, 18:47

hmm, elma xp patch, what are u talking about ?

KD · Post by KD » 9 Jan 2003, 18:57

If you are talking about Hibernatus's patch, then it is downloadable from here: http://213.237.35.1/acrossdk/stuff/elma1_11hb.zip
I don't know any patches for win xp.
But i guess you're not talking about it

alpina · Post by **alpina** » 9 Jan 2003, 19:37

I have heard someone who have talked about a winxp patch... or something with xp it was. I read it here for a couple of months ago.
I do not remember the name..

dz · Post by dz » 9 Jan 2003, 22:58

elma doesn't have any winxp patch, but the older version, across, is very difficult to get working in windows xp, since its a dos game. (i think)

though theres no patch for it either..

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 9 Jan 2003, 23:05

you may also be reffering to the talk of the glitchyness of elma in XP....to solve that problem download either (or both) directx9 or a hz converter such as refreshforce.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 12 Jan 2003, 23:28

people i have
a problem
some time ago i installed windows xp
but i see that elma doesn't run smotothly in xp
and i don't know what to do...

someone has this problem?
and what should i do to fix it?
(i have pentium 4, 128 ram)

Post by **Abula** » 13 Jan 2003, 00:08

1. Update Direct X
2. Update your graphic card drivers
3. http://moposite.com/mopolauta/viewtopic ... ight=#8338
4. Close all other programs when you are playing (internet, virus scanners etc)
5. Change OS
6. Upgrade RAM
7. Change graphic card
8. Buy my computer

Post by **Abula** » 18 Feb 2003, 23:15

9. Open Elma, go back to desktop (ALT + TAB), press CTRL + ALT + DEL, choose "Processes", set priority of elma.exe to very high (right button of mouse). Go back to Elma (ALT + TAB).

Ragnar · Post by **Ragnar** » 26 Feb 2003, 19:08

Weird, I have XP and no problem with Elma.

MJXII · Post by **MJXII** » 28 Apr 2003, 18:43

More interesting here. I've got an AthlonXP 2600+ with Radeon 9500 Pro graphics card, 512ddr ram, etc etc. If I run Elma (winXP) with no other programs open, it's horribly jerky and nearly unplayable. But if I open winamp or something, and play music, then play elma while the music's playing, Elma is perfectly smooth. Why, why why?

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 29 Apr 2003, 02:26

If I play Elma, and before I begin, I play music, the music turns off while starting...?

SuppaFly · Post by **SuppaFly** » 24 May 2003, 20:18

Flat Tracker: Elma uses the same outline for sound like your music player (Winamp?). Switch the sound off in Elma. That's all.

cyre · Post by **cyre** » 25 Jun 2003, 17:26

Many people have complained about how their elma is laggy and jerky on Windows XP. I had this problem too until i accidentally discovered a surprisingly efficient solution. It's very simple and should work with most computers with Win XP. According to mr, the trick works pretty well with win2000 also.

Ok, here it is:

1. Open your Quicktime player. (If you don't have one, you can download it for free from here.)

2. Leave the player open and start your elma. (You don't have to be running any videoclips in the player when you play elma, it's enough that it's open. If you close it, then at least in my comp, the jerkyness returns after a couple of hours)

3. Enjoy the smoothest elma you've ever seen.

Don't ask me how it works, i have no idea. If someone can explain it, feel free to do it here.

And if you don't understand my instructions, or can't get it to work, contact me on #across and i'll try to help you. Also, if you get it to work and it helps you, i'd like to hear about that too.

dz · Post by dz » 26 Jun 2003, 17:33

I've noticed same kind of an effect in some situations, for example when there is a web page opened and there's some flash stuff or something, or when I watch a movie with windows media player (paused also), but it's not happening all the time I think. I don't care anymore cuz after switching to 144hz the lag is only very minimal, like 10lagapples of 100, which is normal. :*

adi · Post by **adi** » 24 Jun 2004, 10:08

how can i play elma in a normal window and not in a full screen?

dz · Post by dz » 24 Jun 2004, 11:47

Like said, it's not possible.
I really hope some day it would be.

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 24 Jun 2004, 21:37

Sometimes, check out the CTRL-ALT-DEL menu, finish all the programs which you don't need and all the programs you look at and don't even know what it is....

Then, ( on my com ) everything goes faster...

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 24 Jun 2004, 21:44

YEH, just go to processes, and shut down these processes:

svchost.exe
spoolsv.exe
svchost.exe
services.exe
winlogon.exe
csrss.exe

Then, you elma runs smoother than ever.

Juble · Post by **Juble** » 2 Jul 2004, 10:31

Im having problem(s) with elma in windows xp, well i just upgraded from 98 to xp, and elma just doesnt work,

What happens: The screen just goes black and goes back to my elma folder, and then creates a report on text document say 'Sorry Internal error '. (which i have seen before)

I have also read the FAQ at moposite and downloaded 1.2 patch without luck.

plz do teh help, ill be greatful :]

Revolt · Post by **Revolt** » 2 Jul 2004, 10:39

the same thing happens to me when i open elma 1.2 but i dont know about normal version, should work fine, but if its not, try compatibilty, right click elma.exe, properties, compatibilty, then set it to win 98 or something, dunno if it will work just a thought

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 2 Jul 2004, 12:38

maybe your state.dat is corrupted. Try moving state out and then running elma. If it works, well too bad for you.

Although I remember pedro had corrupted state, and later that one worked again.

pedro · Post by **pedro** » 2 Jul 2004, 16:28

yes.. i was actually lucky i didnt delete it.. the i was really surprised when i decided to put it back in my elma foler and it magically worked... i dont know what the hell happened there

Revolt · Post by **Revolt** » 3 Jul 2004, 11:58

i was very lucky last night, i backed up my state.dat last night for the first time, and the state corrupted half an hour later

a good program would be a state fixxer

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 4 Jul 2004, 17:06

Revolt wrote:i was very lucky last night, i backed up my state.dat last night for the first time, and the state corrupted half an hour later

hehe kinda same thing happened to me once, just tried out making back up with XP or smth, and few days after state.dat fuckes up.

i3 · Post by i3 » 5 Jul 2004, 01:06

I solwed that problem this very day!

in the same way as revolt described (rightclick elma.exe -> properties ->compatibilty -> win 98) I was gettin so mad/angry at the game, and I nearly gave up, until I remembered that win xp have this feature

Post by **Abula** » 11 Aug 2004, 20:40

Revolt wrote:i was very lucky last night, i backed up my state.dat last night for the first time, and the state corrupted half an hour later :roll:

a good program would be a state fixxer :P

And the lesson is: don't back-up your state.dat or it will get corrupted.

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 12 Aug 2004, 12:05

quicktime helps but still it sucks to play with xp. (I just changed to xp less than I week ago) and xp is just too laggy for me, even when I have quicktime. Without quicktime it was unplayable. But it bounce differently so I will use it some anyway. Brake is harder for me to control though. DonÂ´t get the grip.

But blah blah... I got 98 still too so I can swap... so no problems.

Post by **Abula** » 29 Sep 2004, 19:55

Reforce
By adjusting your monitor's refresh rate you can get the Elma running much smoother. Especially in XP. Read the following instructions but remember there's a risk to damage your monitor and graphic card.

Graphic card
Ensure you have correct graphic card driver to maximize the rate.

Default rates
Monitors and graphic cards support some basic refresh rates. They are not the max by default. Try to find out what rates your system supports. Search for the homepage of your graphic card. Also the program called Everest can show it. The info of both the monitor and the graphic card are needed. New graphic cards and monitors support higher rates.

Monitor settings
Enable the "Hide modes that this monitor cannot display" in Display properties -> Settings -> Advanced -> Monitor (or something similar)

Reforce
1. Download the program
2. Launch the program
3. Choose [ACTIVE] -monitor
4. Click Auto Populate
5. Choose the resolution you use in the Elma from the list (default is 640x480)
6. Adjust the refresh rate to the maximun in this resolution (you know the maximum by reading the manual / checking the homepage of the graphic card / using Everest / just iterating [set some rate, switch to Elma, set higher, try again etc. and you don't have to relaunch the game everytime, just switch [ALT + TAB] to it, this can damage your old monitor])
7. I use 120MHz but 160MHz is quite normal in new monitors
8. Check out the real refresh rate in the game (your monitor has some menu itself where you can change brightness and width, it should show the rate somewhere there)
9. Launch QuickTime player (to get turning smoother, read cyre's post above)
10. Enjoy

Troubleshooting
In ATI drivers you need to check in Display properties -> Settings -> Advanced -> Display that your maximum rate isn't limited by clicking the monitor icon (there you set max resolution and refresh rate values; note that "Use DCC information" has to be disabled)

Post here your experiences.

Alternative program
RefreshLock

Ps. the text is by mr, he didn't dare to post it here. I just translated it.

SpeaK · Post by **SpeaK** » 29 Sep 2004, 22:30

OMG it's like i'm playing a whole new elma! I have a crappy monitor, so it only supports 60hz on 1280x1024, which i'm using normally.
My elma is 640x480, and my monitor supports 120hz with that, so with this program, i got twice the refreshes i had before!

And it shows! I can't believe elma can be like this.

It used to run crappy for me.. Now like smooth butter. Be prepeared, i'm gonna brake some wr's soon! And crap, tomorrow schoolexams, and now I can't go to sleep.

(i'm using win xp)

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 29 Sep 2004, 22:49

Can't download the program, but on the other hand, i don't need to. I was playing around with the setting in my nVidia drivers (Display Properties -> Settings -> Advanced, tab with card's name) and there you can select "disregard refresh rate" or whatever it is in english, and there you can boost the refresh rate for the lower resolutions.

But since i play Elma in mongo high resolution (1280x960) and don't have any problems with smoothness, I only played around with Elma in 640x480 and 300 Hz or something for a while and then disabled it. You can't see the difference between 120 and 300 Hz anyway.

Karlis · Post by **Karlis** » 30 Sep 2004, 06:11

BarTek wrote:Well for me the lag in xp (new pc) is hell lot better then my old one.

dont know about you guys but i set quicktime to launch in systemtray when i start the pc. This way its

- automaticly on (so i dont have to bother open it all the time)
- hidden in systemtray (no player window open, cant even see it with alt+tab)

EZZZZZZ!!

of course its better that way, had it always like that, but nowadays it doesnt make my elma smooth unless I open the player

Post by **Abula** » 24 Oct 2004, 17:00

http://www.moposite.com/mopolauta/viewtopic.php?t=2646

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 25 Oct 2004, 07:51

uhm...what kind of flatscreen you use rofl..

DIM aka Balthazaar · Post by **DIM aka Balthazaar** » 31 Oct 2004, 12:29

Elma become a very stupid and slow, when it detects any internet activity! its really annoying to turn off connection every time you wanna play elma... grrrr

AtmaWeapon · Post by **AtmaWeapon** » 31 Oct 2004, 18:22

cyre wrote:Many people have complained about how their elma is laggy and jerky on Windows XP. I had this problem too until i accidentally discovered a surprisingly efficient solution. It's very simple and should work with most computers with Win XP. According to mr, the trick works pretty well with win2000 also.

Ok, here it is:

1. Open your Quicktime player. (If you don't have one, you can download it for free from here.)

2. Leave the player open and start your elma. (You don't have to be running any videoclips in the player when you play elma, it's enough that it's open. If you close it, then at least in my comp, the jerkyness returns after a couple of hours)

3. Enjoy the smoothest elma you've ever seen.

Don't ask me how it works, i have no idea. If someone can explain it, feel free to do it here.

And if you don't understand my instructions, or can't get it to work, contact me on #across and i'll try to help you. Also, if you get it to work and it helps you, i'd like to hear about that too.

LOL!!!! Finally Apple's Craptime is good for something

zworqy wrote: I only played around with Elma in 640x480 and 300 Hz or something for a while and then disabled it. You can't see the difference between 120 and 300 Hz anyway.

Does your monitor support 300Hz ? I doubt it!

visitor · Post by **visitor** » 3 Jan 2005, 19:07

because the original elma is dos game, then it doesnt work on XP
to play it on XP, you have to have separate Elma (which is to Win Xp)
people who has no problems with elma on xp they have just the right elma to xp

Post by **SveinR** » 3 Jan 2005, 19:34

visitor wrote:the original elma is dos game

I thought the original elma was for win95, 98 and 2000, as is said in the readme.txt..

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 3 Jan 2005, 20:26

There's no differences in elma versions (official) used to both win98, 2000 or xp (or 95). There have been guys with problems about unsmoothness in xp, but yet solvable I guess.

I have been playing elma with Elma12XP.exe and I didn't found any effect, until I put sound in elma on Best Quality, then it suddenly went smooth.
(wether disabled or enabled, doesn't seem to matter). Abula mentions about errors or system crashes, haven't had any probs so far. Just back up your state.dat I suggest, or even put elma on another partition of your hard drive and not in C:

The smooth effect is noticable, but when putting quicktime on, i can't see an even smoother elma. Also vsync on/off I don't see a smoothing difference. Just the playing experience differs with vsync.

John · Post by **John** » 5 Feb 2005, 23:24

Ive tried to play elma in win xp now, Iv tried the famous quicktime-trick, that elmaxp program, changing hz but when I play elma these black lines appear flashing on the screen every now and then, help would be appreciated.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 6 Feb 2005, 02:04

I just cross my fingers and hope for the best. When those annoying flashes come, i do restart elma.

John · Post by **John** » 6 Feb 2005, 11:56

restarting doesnt help

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 6 Feb 2005, 12:36

visitor wrote:because the original elma is dos game, then it doesnt work on XP
to play it on XP, you have to have separate Elma (which is to Win Xp)
people who has no problems with elma on xp they have just the right elma to xp

elma is win game

~TCH~Goku · Post by **~TCH~Goku** » 14 Feb 2005, 19:10

Plees can some 1 tell me whair i can get the full game of elma 4 free ive got da demo and it is so cool

dz · Post by dz » 14 Feb 2005, 19:20

~TCH~Goku wrote:Plees can some 1 tell me whair i can get the full game of elma 4 free ive got da demo and it is so cool

At least not here. And please stay with the topic.

~TCH~Goku · Post by **~TCH~Goku** » 15 Feb 2005, 23:05

hey i got the full game of elma its so cool i made a map the bike falls out of the sky both weels go down a doffrent wall it snaps the frame and says internal error lol

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 15 Feb 2005, 23:48

~TCH~Goku wrote:hey i got the full game of elma its so cool i made a map the bike falls out of the sky both weels go down a doffrent wall it snaps the frame and says internal error lol

Wow, very interesting !

How can you be so useful, interesting and on-topic at the same time

wjelo · Post by **wjelo** » 17 Apr 2005, 21:34

when u use 1024x768 your rr is 85hz and 9with my monitor and graphic card) when i start elma it doesn't change to 120hz in 640x480 and 100hz in 8oox6oo as it should. solution: download RefreshForce and leave only 120hz mode for 640x480 and 100hz mode for 8x6. i think it doesn't matter in other games anyway cause u aint got (and need) more than those for example 85hz (fps) anyway

ribot · Post by **ribot** » 24 Apr 2005, 15:06

i have summed up most ways of prevent win xp lagging here:
http://elmawigi.ratmind.info/~ribot/elm ... XP_Lagging

there is however a win xp patch that this topic is initially about. does anyone know about it? i have only tried it without noticing anything, and i dont really trust it (who knows what it really is?)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 24 Apr 2005, 18:37

I run with the elma12xp.exe and i feel the differnce,
not so much now though because i got use to the smoothness, but first time i tried it was like entering another dimention

Edit: Squip wrote this, dont know why it bacame guest or how to change it...

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