Labyrinth Pro

The_BoneLESS · Post by **The_BoneLESS** » 21 Jul 2004, 01:13

I know you hate when people open topics on every internals...
I am one of those but i really need help on this one level...

Mostly on its famous bounce.... the LabPro bounce

I'd like everyone who succeeded to go through the level with the bounce to post replays, tips or any comments that could possibly help me, or others to make this bounce....

Thanx in advance

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 21 Jul 2004, 10:35

Play train level for a long time, untill you can do it almost every time. Then play the real level, and you might do it after many hours.

It's not ez.

Fluff · Post by **Fluff** » 21 Jul 2004, 13:44

here is my rec: http://vk.mine.nu/ratemyrec/35polo.rec

i need maybe like 2 weeks to do this time (2:38,xx) but to finish the level i had need less than 1 week but the time was sucky (2:58,xx)

Like Kopaka said, keep hoylin' the level train

and good luck

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 21 Jul 2004, 14:31

i've done it in training

go fast down the hill, volt into the "bounce zone" so that your back wheel is compressed, then you just tap the brake and you somehow fly upwards as if by magic

although landing nicely inside the cave part is another matter

dz · Post by dz » 21 Jul 2004, 15:16

First of all, train it till you actually make the bounce itself 90%. Then you can start playing it from the beginning in real level and hope for the best landing.

hilamr · Post by **hilamr** » 30 Jul 2004, 21:30

played train lev like 100 times, then just played real lev for phun.
And yahs I lucky made the bounce... jubbe

Behk · Post by **Behk** » 31 Jul 2004, 09:55

can some1 post here the train35 lev plz

I don't have it ;DDDD

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 31 Jul 2004, 10:50

Well... LP bounce is just very boring trick. I wouldnÂ´t waste time on it. Only reason I could see for anyone to play it would be if they had a shot at wr... which. No one has cause DMD wr is so insane, just watch Luther 2:19 rec

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 31 Jul 2004, 14:11

^^ that's the only reason some1 should play it?

what if they had like 40:20,xx in TT and wanted 39 mins

Flyrre · Post by **Flyrre** » 2 Aug 2004, 22:22

ramone wrote:Well... LP bounce is just very boring trick. I wouldnÂ´t waste time on it. Only reason I could see for anyone to play it would be if they had a shot at wr... which. No one has cause DMD wr is so insane, just watch Luther 2:19 rec

Luther 2:19 avaiable?

Where?

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 3 Aug 2004, 09:41

Ante wrote:Luther 2:19 avaiable? Where?

At Team ICE site

Don't know url, but it is a link at Stini's signature.

Luther · Post by **Luther** » 3 Aug 2004, 09:43

http://koti.mbnet.fi/~teamice/

JeMsTaR · Post by **JeMsTaR** » 3 Aug 2004, 11:46

yeah guys, any1 able to post the train lev? itd be a major help. thx

Dyrox · Post by **Dyrox** » 3 Aug 2004, 12:03

Just read at Moposite and make your own training level.

Juble · Post by **Juble** » 3 Aug 2004, 14:43

lab pro is a great level(for an internal), and btw you dont need a training level (whats the point of having a crappy run before bounce).....anyways good level go play NOW

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 4 Aug 2004, 15:15

Juble wrote:lab pro is a great level(for an internal), and btw you dont need a training level (whats the point of having a crappy run before bounce).....anyways good level go play NOW

Well, u will learn how to do it much faster if you don't have to play like 2 mins everytime you try it.

JeMsTaR · Post by **JeMsTaR** » 6 Aug 2004, 11:48

hey guys, I'm nailing the bounce
WOOOOHOOO! just gotta get that bloody apple...thats harder than the bounce...

psteve · Post by **psteve** » 3 Nov 2004, 13:00

wtf i just nailed some totally n00b way of doing bounce. both wheels flat on ground and volt left. omg so easy! you lose a lot of time over actual bounce, but so n00b, sach a better way than going around for teh apple. get front wheel over, then volt bike up. other hard bit \__<requires the same, but is a little harder, depending on your speed. i'll see if i can make a hoyled rec to show.

edit: okaiz made mongo of myself, kinda ignore this post. i just couldn't believe i hadn't heard of the style before.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 3 Nov 2004, 13:55

i've just read that you broke 65 mins today
do you really think you can do this style?
let's bet, i say no:)

dunedan · Post by **dunedan** » 3 Nov 2004, 14:27

Where can I find the traininglev?

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 3 Nov 2004, 14:32

FAQ at moposite
do some lev, rename it to QWQUU035.LEV, open in editor, change start position and save under different name and you have training lev

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 3 Nov 2004, 15:44

having now done the bounce and finished the lev, i'll say you don't have to make it 90% in training lev before u should attempt it. i hardly ever got the apple in training lev, maybe once every 15-20 minutes. what is far more important is knowing how to position yourself for the bounce, like when exactly to volt into the wall, and how much squeeze before you brake. then it's just a matter of time before you get the correct angle. so i thought "if i'm gonna get apple it might as well be in real lev" and then it eventually happened.

Jalli · Post by **Jalli** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:06

sierra wrote:"if i'm gonna get apple it might as well be in real lev"

YEASH, always been my favourite way of thinking

An example: Never did bowling bounce in train lev, took me three weeks on real lev, but when I finally did it ez wr.

Phillip · Post by **Phillip** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:40

I strongly disagree with Jalli on this point. Do it in a training level first! I bounced and took the apple at least 50 times in a training level (Lab pro) before I played the real level again.

Jalli was just lucky on Bowling

Sure it worked once, but that doesn't mean it always works (the "induction problem")

I have bounced 8-10 times on bowling in a training level, and in at least half of them i fucked up the ending. Jalli thinks I should just have played the real level, but then I would never have gotten that far (can't do the start yet

), and if I finally did get that far I would probably screw it up because I had never done it before...

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:46

heh Phillip getting philosophical, talking about induction. does this mean you don't believe in physics? unusual for a mathematician, but also admirable.

in fact though, i don't think the induction problem applies in the context you suggested. the lab pro bounce in fact does work every time, because it runs on computer logic, which in turn runs on pure mathematics, which is "a priori", or irrefutable knowledge. want proof? make an autoplay program, and input the exact button presses for the bounce on a training lev. as soon as you configured it correctly to do one bounce, it would work 100% of the subsequent runs.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:48

i like training levs
many trix i trained to 50% and then ez made in real lev
without trainlevs i would not have turna wr

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:49

Actuly sierra we have had topics about elma not doing the same stuff everytime, for example try hold gas in serpents from start and see how many different things it does.

Phillip · Post by **Phillip** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:55

sierra wrote:heh Phillip getting philosophical, talking about induction. does this mean you don't believe in physics? unusual for a mathematician, but also admirable.

Yes, this means no physical law can ever be proven (in a strictly mathematical sense). Even if 1000000 apples fall to the ground in the same manner this does not prove that the next apple will. The laws of gravity and physics are experimental laws, they cannot be proven.

sierra wrote: in fact though, i don't think the induction problem applies in the context you suggested.

You don't understand, I was talking about this induction:

Jalli did wr on first bowling bounce without using training level -> it is always best to not use training level

MiEkk · Post by **MiEkk** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:56

Juski wrote:Actuly sierra we have had topics about elma not doing the same stuff everytime, for example try hold gas in serpents from start and see how many different things it does.

or holding gas from the beginning in enigma, different every time.

Phillip · Post by **Phillip** » 3 Nov 2004, 16:59

Actually I'm not a mathematician either, I primarily study physics now. But I'm very interested in mathematics, and I think that in general physisists are too ignorant of mathematical principles.

Getting a bit off topic here...

I use training levels often, but there are of course levels where they are of almost no use.

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 3 Nov 2004, 17:15

MiEkk wrote:
Juski wrote:Actuly sierra we have had topics about elma not doing the same stuff everytime, for example try hold gas in serpents from start and see how many different things it does.
or holding gas from the beginning in enigma, different every time.

Different in all levels but i said serpents because there it is major differences

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 4 Nov 2004, 10:01

so can someone just post a training lvl so i don't have to make my own. Im not good with making lvls and i don't feel like trying too plz someone just send traingin lvl.

Dariuz · Post by **Dariuz** » 4 Nov 2004, 10:06

here you go http://www.mxb.dk/upload2/Train35.lev

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 4 Nov 2004, 10:29

Phillip wrote:You don't understand, I was talking about this induction:

Jalli did wr on first bowling bounce without using training level -> it is always best to not use training level

ah yes that indeed makes sense. but the more times it does work, the higher the probability of it working the next time.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 4 Nov 2004, 12:29

train levs sux

Memphis · Post by **Memphis** » 4 Nov 2004, 18:56

thx for the train lvl.
Even with the train lvl ive only got the apple twice in like 20 min of playing it. Sad eh? Zweg come to my house and beat laby pro for me? I got a cookie with ur name on it.

Pertti · Post by **Pertti** » 5 Nov 2004, 13:22

hehe my time without bounce is over 3 minits and with bouce (i rarely manage to do it) it comes on the borders of 2 and 3 minits (i know, i suck). so its really useful trick.

AtmaWeapon · Post by **AtmaWeapon** » 5 Nov 2004, 14:12

How did you extract the internals for editing?

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 5 Nov 2004, 14:36

milagros wrote:FAQ at moposite
do some lev, rename it to QWQUU035.LEV, open in editor, change start position and save under different name and you have training lev

thats how

Pertti · Post by **Pertti** » 5 Nov 2004, 16:40

i cant move the start. or i can but it changes back to the beginning.

Post by **SveinR** » 5 Nov 2004, 16:43

Pertti wrote:i cant move the start. or i can but it changes back to the beginning.

You have to rename the lev from QWQUU35.lev to something else.

psteve · Post by **psteve** » 6 Nov 2004, 02:34

milagros wrote:i've just read that you broke 65 mins today
do you really think you can do this style?
let's bet, i say no:)

done it a fair few times. can give u a replay on monday (ran outta net access on my comp, buy more monday) almost did bounce

just forgot to alo twice, if i had i woulda made it (front wheel), still, the bet is on. i bet my dignity and respect

psteve · Post by **psteve** » 6 Nov 2004, 02:41

Juski wrote:
MiEkk wrote:
Juski wrote:Actuly sierra we have had topics about elma not doing the same stuff everytime, for example try hold gas in serpents from start and see how many different things it does.
or holding gas from the beginning in enigma, different every time.
Different in all levels but i said serpents because there it is major differences

http://www.moposite.com/mopolauta/viewtopic.php?t=2558

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 6 Nov 2004, 06:11

Pertti wrote:i cant move the start. or i can but it changes back to the beginning.

you must save the lev after editing under different name

and psteve - don't foget that hardest thing is to turn on top, not to bounce and i think there are no alovolts (or are there?)

Post by **Abula** » 6 Nov 2004, 12:29

milagros wrote:
Pertti wrote:i cant move the start. or i can but it changes back to the beginning.
you must save the lev after editing under different name

and psteve - don't foget that hardest thing is to turn on top, not to bounce and i think there are no alovolts (or are there?)

I think psteve means the old route where you cruise for 40 seconds in the bounce apple corner. With that style the pro players can get slightly under 3mins.

psteve · Post by **psteve** » 6 Nov 2004, 14:35

Kopaka wrote:I have 3:28,54

once long time ago I tough this was lap pro bounce.

and after making it I went to #elma and bragged about having made lap pro bounce

guess what...

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 8 Nov 2004, 20:39

I recently made 3:22,26 on LP.

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 9 Nov 2004, 17:58

The trick the best guys do at the place on the picture up there is like one of the coolest tricks there is. sach evil

dz · Post by dz » 9 Nov 2004, 18:17

Yeah maybe, but it's really easy, all that you actually have to practise is the way you drop down. Just Do It!

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 9 Nov 2004, 19:11

heah! ez know what do to in school tomorrow