Golden Apple Awards 2007

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 18 Dec 2007, 15:08

Costyan_DRE wrote:i don't agree with jury that best lev is huuuge lev.
so, i have almost no choice =/

There are so THOUSANDS of smaller/normal levels that we just can't select one/two of those to win the GAA award. Because if we had selected some normal levels, it would have been very hard to reason why exactly those. They has to be at least played in a cup so that people have some stories to tell about those levels. A huge level is one that you don't see every day, so they are easier to choose. I admit that the size of a level isn't a reason why we should nominate it, but usually the levels which are bigger are also better or at least ppl have put more effort into them. A hÃ¶ylÃ¤ level can be made in 5 minutes, a bigger cup level may need 5 hours. Think why noobs normally make only small levels, when bigger levels are usually made by more experienced designers. That's why even if you would like the smaller levels more (yes, i like also battle levels many times) we can't nominate them.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 18 Dec 2007, 15:14

Zweq wrote:what's the logic in this:
WR
10. The Steppes 11,09 Zweq #266 -1st wr with new style, was improved to 10,81
54. Apple Harvest 1:15,25 John #265 -3rd wr with new style, is the current wr

im suggesting that it should be 10,81 steppes

also bit odd that the best style of the year(contributed by both me and john), apple h, isnt on the list. over 8 seconds have been cut so far and there is potential for 2-3 more( yes john played like one day for 1.15). we are talking about 10-11 seconds improvement on an internal level here, while people struggle to improve them more than 0,05. dont you think?

I understand the steppes WR if it was first WR with the new style. Dunno about apple harvest, I haven't been observing WRs lately.

axxu says the style is his and that it was not nominated because you seem not to know whose style it is and when it was invented.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 18 Dec 2007, 15:18

milagros wrote:no offense but how the fuck did you get in?

we made an exception because berhabdul was only few hours late. Dunno was he late intentionally or not but it doesn't matter.

berhabdul · Post by **berhabdul** » 18 Dec 2007, 20:15

Milagros was talking to Lukazz. I missed the time because I felt asleep in front of the comp. Thanks for the exception.

Costya · Post by **Costya** » 18 Dec 2007, 21:18

zebra wrote:
Costyan_DRE wrote:i don't agree with jury that best lev is huuuge lev.
so, i have almost no choice =/
There are so THOUSANDS of smaller/normal levels that we just can't select one/two of those to win the GAA award.

that's why there is first step: to chose from that THOUSANDS of smaller/normal levels some dozens of extraordinary.

zebra wrote:I admit that the size of a level isn't a reason why we should nominate it, but usually the levels which are bigger are also better or at least ppl have put more effort into them. A hÃ¶ylÃ¤ level can be made in 5 minutes, a bigger cup level may need 5 hours. Think why noobs normally make only small levels, when bigger levels are usually made by more experienced designers. That's why even if you would like the smaller levels more (yes, i like also battle levels many times) we can't nominate them.

no matter how many efforts and time were spended at the lev. jp1336 (last year nominee) almost briliant, but hardly done more than one hour.
here i see logic like this: author great and skiled designer and as he made huge lev he must put all his efforts to do great lev, so it must be nominated. i agree with all points but last. we (community) must decide is this lev greate(this kind of levs) or not, but we have no choice.
i'm also apset that there isn't well grahics work. design are ordinary and boring.

niN · Post by **niN** » 18 Dec 2007, 21:32

I just want to add that the size doesn't matter. jp's jp1336 was the best level I've ever laid eyes or fingers on and it deserved to win imo

I would be sad if only long levels win because more time and effort has been shown in them. anyways, thats how I feel.

Polarix · Post by **Polarix** » 18 Dec 2007, 22:02

Where do I find the trance remix of EDQ?!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 18 Dec 2007, 22:08

milagros wrote:i guess lukazz is same surprised he got in
38tt is really not hard these days
i guess the only problem was who else to nominate

only these guys got wr in tables 254-277 :
Zweq, Dariuz, Jarkko, milagros, Ded, axxu, Xiphias, Memphis, proDigy, zyntifox, Kazan, John, Tm, OtorK, mr

most of them(us) got in only one or two levs

what about me? ;d

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 18 Dec 2007, 22:47

Raven wrote:what about me? ;d

#233 24,41 Raven [TEM]
#240 43,00 Raven [GF]
not in last year

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 19 Dec 2007, 10:54

Costyan_DRE wrote:
zebra wrote:
Costyan_DRE wrote:i don't agree with jury that best lev is huuuge lev.
so, i have almost no choice =/
There are so THOUSANDS of smaller/normal levels that we just can't select one/two of those to win the GAA award.
that's why there is first step: to chose from that THOUSANDS of smaller/normal levels some dozens of extraordinary.

Then we didn't you pick some smaller/normal levels in the first step?

Costyan_DRE wrote:
zebra wrote:I admit that the size of a level isn't a reason why we should nominate it, but usually the levels which are bigger are also better or at least ppl have put more effort into them. A hÃ¶ylÃ¤ level can be made in 5 minutes, a bigger cup level may need 5 hours. Think why noobs normally make only small levels, when bigger levels are usually made by more experienced designers. That's why even if you would like the smaller levels more (yes, i like also battle levels many times) we can't nominate them.
no matter how many efforts and time were spended at the lev. jp1336 (last year nominee) almost briliant, but hardly done more than one hour.
here i see logic like this: author great and skiled designer and as he made huge lev he must put all his efforts to do great lev, so it must be nominated. i agree with all points but last. we (community) must decide is this lev greate(this kind of levs) or not, but we have no choice.
i'm also apset that there isn't well grahics work. design are ordinary and boring.

jp1336 had cool tricks, i admit. But at least I didn't find any so clever level this year. That's maybe because the community didn't give us enough candidates. About the design thing, I think the playability is more important than design, that's why we rejected for example Juble's YouVee level. Nice design is a of course good thing but it isn't everything. Maybe belma and its thousands of battles have killed the need to decorate the levels? Maybe we should blame the designers (us) for not adding any graphics to levels.

But now it's too late to affect this year's nominates. Let's fix this next year, won't we?

Proposition: Would the level category need more than 10 nominees? if for example 30 levels were nominated, there would be more levels for everybody.

zebra · Post by **zebra** » 19 Dec 2007, 10:58

Polarix wrote:Where do I find the trance remix of EDQ?!

Download EDQ full version and change audio track to trance.

Coc0k · Post by **Coc0k** » 19 Dec 2007, 11:34

level = idea+design!

zebra, you can touch your playability in your ass!

Costya · Post by **Costya** » 19 Dec 2007, 11:54

disagree, playability is important

Costya · Post by **Costya** » 19 Dec 2007, 11:57

zebra wrote:
Proposition: Would the level category need more than 10 nominees? if for example 30 levels were nominated, there would be more levels for everybody.

would be nice. mb even 20

niN · Post by **niN** » 19 Dec 2007, 14:39

zebra wrote: jp1336 had cool tricks, i admit. But at least I didn't find any so clever level this year. That's maybe because the community didn't give us enough candidates. About the design thing, I think the playability is more important than design, that's why we rejected for example Juble's YouVee level. Nice design is a of course good thing but it isn't everything. Maybe belma and its thousands of battles have killed the need to decorate the levels? Maybe we should blame the designers (us) for not adding any graphics to levels.

But now it's too late to affect this year's nominates. Let's fix this next year, won't we?

Proposition: Would the level category need more than 10 nominees? if for example 30 levels were nominated, there would be more levels for everybody.

I agree. Come to think about it, it's really our fault that those cool levs didn't get nominated. Will do a better job next year

. And I think 5 levels is enough really.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 19 Dec 2007, 14:42

zebra wrote:
Zweq wrote:what's the logic in this:
WR
10. The Steppes 11,09 Zweq #266 -1st wr with new style, was improved to 10,81
54. Apple Harvest 1:15,25 John #265 -3rd wr with new style, is the current wr

im suggesting that it should be 10,81 steppes

also bit odd that the best style of the year(contributed by both me and john), apple h, isnt on the list. over 8 seconds have been cut so far and there is potential for 2-3 more( yes john played like one day for 1.15). we are talking about 10-11 seconds improvement on an internal level here, while people struggle to improve them more than 0,05. dont you think?
I understand the steppes WR if it was first WR with the new style. Dunno about apple harvest, I haven't been observing WRs lately.

axxu says the style is his and that it was not nominated because you seem not to know whose style it is and when it was invented.

you do realise(the jury) that drawing a fantasy picture 3 years ago is about same thing as karlis seeing wet dreams about 45 ramp frenzy back in 2001, does that mean ramp is old secret fm style and should not be nominated.

either way we talked about it with axxu already and it couldn't matter less at this point, I can blame myself too for denying to be part of the jury

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 20 Dec 2007, 09:26

milagros wrote:
Raven wrote:what about me? ;d
#233 24,41 Raven [TEM]
#240 43,00 Raven [GF]
not in last year

ooh, yes i understand now.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 20 Dec 2007, 16:21

I thought to appear in contribution section for runreplayonline... may be not enougth important ?

Post by **SveinR** » 20 Dec 2007, 16:41

Coco wrote:I thought to appear in contribution section for runreplayonline... may be not enougth important ?

Well it's difficult for us in the jury to remember everything (but of course, we are supposed to..) so it's pivotal that the community gives us suggestions to look over. And we didn't see anyone suggest you, but of course we should have remembered ourselves as well. But the nominees we have now in Contribution are very good, so I can't promise you would've been nominated if I had remembered.

enil · Post by **enil** » 20 Dec 2007, 19:33

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 24 Dec 2007, 23:33

enil wrote:asd

spam! >:(

Scruffy the janitor · Post by **Scruffy the janitor** » 25 Dec 2007, 22:21

GAA awards are rigged.

<xxxx> why my level is teh gayest pasibel in GAA?
<skint0r> : dunoz
<xxxx> noone voted for it
<xxxx> other levs of mine got 2 votes and 1 vote
<SveinR> what lev
<xxxx> what level got 2 votes or what lev got there?
<SveinR> xxxx.lev (2)
<xxxx> yes
<SveinR> some of xxxx battle levs are simply great (1)
<SveinR> xxxx.lev by xxxx (1)
<xxxx> dont even have that one

<xxxx> the one which is nominated got 0 votes as far as i know
<SveinR> yes
<SveinR> except
<SveinR> who knows which levs the person who said "some of xxxx's battle levs" meant
<xxxx> well anyway, why is that suck balls level teer?
<SveinR> don't ask me
<xxxx> who put it teer?
<xxxx> you!
<SveinR> nah
<SveinR> there are six people in the jury
<xxxx> this is sabotage
<SveinR> against what
<SveinR> your reputation as a levmaker?
<xxxx> yes
<xxxx> obv the jury is full of incompetent fools
<SveinR> i picked them to be
<SveinR> obviously
<xxxx> yes
<xxxx> whole awards are a sham
<SveinR> of course
<xxxx> its a fucking disgrace
<SveinR> i think we'll rig the results as well
<xxxx> i know you will
<SveinR> haven't quite decided on all the winners yet though

Igge · Post by **Igge** » 25 Dec 2007, 23:06

STOP THE PRESSES! OMg sach rigg0ring!

btw xxxx = jappe2, no? aka YOU

anpdad · Post by **anpdad** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:18

I wonder what have i done this year to make it to the 3rd step except playing some uni and making few smart-ass posts here and there at lauta. But hey, thanks

8-ball wrote:ye 38tt > 2 wrs

milagros wrote:nah, 38tt < 2 wrs

Who cares? Both suck. 38tt can be driven easily with current styles. Not with best ones, but easiest ones. And 2 wrs isnt a threat for the hoyla with a 38tt too. It's just a matter of patience, not skill, to get them. Dont want to offend anyone - under the word "easy" i've meant something like "easy for a GAA guy", who is obviously not ordinary.

Post by **SveinR** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:57

You have now 1 week left to give your votes!

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 27 Dec 2007, 02:05

i don't wanna sound bigheaded, but everybody's saying that 38TT is so fucking easy. why do only about 30 ppl have 38 TT then?

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 27 Dec 2007, 02:29

because all others are nabs

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 27 Dec 2007, 02:37

milagros wrote:because all others are nabs

Correct. If you have tt 39 or higher you are a facking nab. In fact, there should be 2 "New internal times" tropics, one called "New internal times (the really)" and the other called "New nab tims (don't bother reading, total nabs fak lol)" and you could only post in the 1st one if you had 38tt or lower.

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 27 Dec 2007, 02:39

I also say: 39 sucks, its easy. But we say this as soon as we did it.
We also know that if all elma players play hours, weeks and months, in one year or less (like Honza :* or Honza2) sooner or later they will do 3x.

Why only 60~ players with 3x tt? "come on cheater, cuz the rest of players dont care about fucking tts"
3xtt is not impsy, that is sure. But if someone want it he must hoyl, hoyl and hoyl.
Be proud of your tt Lukazz. Dont care about the rest.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 31 Dec 2007, 18:21

36 sucks, id be happy with a tt where every level was actually done to the max. but then you notice when you have done 30 max times in 2 years, you got much better and teh times from last year arent max

hoyling sucks, just try new styles and give them to me

Post by **SveinR** » 31 Dec 2007, 23:03

2 days left to give your vote!

Only 23 out of 50 people has voted thus far, so I hope the only reason for that is that you just haven't figured out completely what to vote for yet and wants to wait right until the deadline.

KD · Post by KD » 1 Jan 2008, 16:40

SveinR: exactly.

wjelo · Post by **wjelo** » 1 Jan 2008, 19:13

2 thoughts:
1. why the fuck is berh allowed to vote?
2. can't think of any reason why Boomer (maybe i missed something...) is nominated in Internalist category together with Lukazz and axxu is not

Costya · Post by **Costya** » 1 Jan 2008, 19:29

wiElOryB wrote:2 thoughts:
2. can't think of any reason why Boomer (maybe i missed something...) is nominated in Internalist category together with Lukazz and axxu is not

mb internalist isn't the same as huge skill and spending some time at internals?

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 1 Jan 2008, 20:20

wiElOryB wrote:2 thoughts:
1. why the fuck is berh allowed to vote?

write reasons for wich he should not vote. (belma IS NOT Lauta)

Post by **SveinR** » 2 Jan 2008, 14:01

9 hours left to give your vote!

Still 19 people has not voted.

undient · Post by **undient** » 2 Jan 2008, 14:03

Only 3 of 10 levels in the "levels" section deserve my vote :/ really, guys:

3 LEVELS BY 8BALL?

what kind of crap is this? Yup, he's a good levelmaker, but...pf

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 2 Jan 2008, 14:29

shut the hell up.

undient · Post by **undient** » 2 Jan 2008, 15:14

Then, the next time there should be another section for BALLE LEVS...

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 2 Jan 2008, 15:17

Undiente, what do you exactly mean with that comment?

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 2 Jan 2008, 16:31

undient wrote:Only 3 of 10 levels in the "levels" section deserve my vote :/ really, guys:

3 LEVELS BY 8BALL?

what kind of crap is this? Yup, he's a good levelmaker, but...pf

overrated

undient · Post by **undient** » 2 Jan 2008, 19:35

tijsjoris wrote:Undiente, what do you exactly mean with that comment?

goto ->

Sla wrote:overrated

Nah, theres no reason to nominate 3 levels by one single levelmaker as if there were no more nice levels...

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 2 Jan 2008, 19:49

Stop complaining, start contributing.

Make good levels, and make them known to us. Make good suggestions for GAA's for example. We are no all knowing and almighty gods.

And to dismiss these levels as unworthy is dumb and ignorant.

undient · Post by **undient** » 2 Jan 2008, 20:13

tijsjoris wrote:And to dismiss these levels as unworthy is dumb and ignorant.

And insulting me is way more intelligent.

Oh man, I played many interesting levels by many different levelmakers in the first Step, and now what I find? Not much variety...

I doubt that if i contributed with some of my long levels and such, something could have changed :/

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 2 Jan 2008, 20:18

but we will never see cause you DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 2 Jan 2008, 21:19

wiElOryB wrote:2. can't think of any reason why Boomer (maybe i missed something...) is nominated in Internalist category together with Lukazz and axxu is not

There were only 10 nominees for that category I guess.

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 2 Jan 2008, 21:39

Boomer wrote:
wiElOryB wrote:2. can't think of any reason why Boomer (maybe i missed something...) is nominated in Internalist category together with Lukazz and axxu is not
There were only 10 nominees for that category I guess.

Post by **SveinR** » 2 Jan 2008, 22:06

55 minutes left to give your vote!

Still 15 people have not voted.

enil · Post by **enil** » 2 Jan 2008, 22:31

HURRY UP FFS NOABS

Post by **SveinR** » 2 Jan 2008, 23:13

The deadline for submitting your votes in the third step has passed!