TARGETS12.TXT - Just a suggestion

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 1 Sep 2003, 20:46

My Targets12.txt suggestion
OK, everybody's been screaming for a new targets times for a while now,
so I made one!

Plz tell me if this is anywhere near a good targets time list, or if I'm totally off track here.

PS. It looks a bit weird in the browser, but if you download it and view it in a text editor it looks OK.

dz · Post by dz » 1 Sep 2003, 20:56

Well I think there are still too lousy times, for example having 44 total time is about six minutes worse than best people has and according to that list you would still be "professional".

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 2 Sep 2003, 00:22

jeez, now i got even more beginner times, i should go and work on that

Jonas · Post by **Jonas** » 2 Sep 2003, 07:13

so now Jeppe ainÂ´t wordclass....thatÂ´s stupid....heÂ´s the best kuski ever =)

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 2 Sep 2003, 08:07

only world class players are able to do the table
others don't know what's hard and what's not

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 2 Sep 2003, 11:19

milagros wrote:only world class players are able to do the table
others don't know what's hard and what's not

WRONG, world class players have all lost all sense of how hard it really is to do professional times... I can't stand all mong0s crying out how bad they are when in fact they are x times better than me...

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 2 Sep 2003, 11:55

i've checked mopolists and only these players have every worldclass time:
zweq, cloud, dmd, toringe, zyntifox, zeizei, tomcat, jeppe, know-how, raider, john, jokke and ciph
raider and ciph have one exact w-c time

everyone except jeppe and raider is in 39club (maybe jeppe already is:))
that means I AM TARGET TIMES HOYLA!!!!

..to do correct target times list just choose 30th place in records for w-c, 60th for profs and 100th for good
ok and beginner can be were thay are

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 2 Sep 2003, 12:33

milagros wrote: everyone except jeppe and raider is in 39club (maybe jeppe already is:))

Raider are...

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 2 Sep 2003, 13:34

A little side note:

Neither in this file (targets12) or targetsElma (1.1) is the
total times for a skill level the same as all single times added together.

Ex:
I don't remember any times atm, but the total time for "World Class" is 40:06 but if you add all single times you get 40:50 or something.

I hope you understand this.

Serj · Post by **Serj** » 2 Sep 2003, 13:51

I have them in an excel sheet, the actual TT's should be:

World Class: 42:43,39
Pro: 45:18,27
Good: 51:14,86
OK: 59:15,69

This is for the old target list.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 2 Sep 2003, 16:44

Kopaka wrote:
milagros wrote: everyone except jeppe and raider is in 39club (maybe jeppe already is:))
Raider are...

then i must be the suckiest world class player:)

Ramone · Post by **Ramone** » 2 Sep 2003, 18:11

link dÃ³nt work for me so I cant tell wether they are good or not

Serj · Post by **Serj** » 3 Sep 2003, 00:55

ramone wrote:link dÃ³nt work for me so I cant tell wether they are good or not

Here it also doesn't work anymore.

Jonas · Post by **Jonas** » 3 Sep 2003, 07:17

Why donÂ´t all agree on someone who is a World Class player, a proffessional, a good and so on and let them decide what is a time of their class....Someone like Dz or John can decide World class target...and bla bla =)))

John · Post by **John** » 3 Sep 2003, 16:37

dz mayb not me

Ky.Jelly · Post by **Ky.Jelly** » 3 Sep 2003, 20:11

ez, ill do the beginner times

pedro · Post by **pedro** » 3 Sep 2003, 21:15

no i will do beginner times.. i suck at elma my best time for WU is 15.65..

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 10 Nov 2003, 15:51

I say: Let "GOOD", "OK". "BEGINNER" times stay where they are and World Class should 50th time in the world at the moment and Professional should be 100th time in the world. EZ Targets12.txt

dz · Post by dz » 18 Dec 2003, 20:04

hm, yet again, this version needs updating

Quinn · Post by **Quinn** » 19 Dec 2003, 10:40

8-ball wrote:I say: Let "GOOD", "OK". "BEGINNER" times stay where they are and World Class should 50th time in the world at the moment and Professional should be 100th time in the world. EZ Targets12.txt

that doesn't work. F.ex 50th time in LP is 2.39.xx but WR is 2.17.xx, 22secs better

. There is 1 big problem in making new target time list; n00bs dont now what time is WC and WC players cant know what time is good,ok and beginner.

dz · Post by dz » 19 Dec 2003, 11:03

Let's take lab pro for example, in zworqy's list you are "world class player" if you have finished it with the time 2:34,89 or better.
In my opinion, that's just wrong. So wrong.

There are many things you have to consider in a list like that.
One of them is the styles. We know DMD has 2:17 on lab pro.. if that replay was to be public and everyone could see how it's made, could you then call yourself "world class player" if you drive 2:34 with exactly same styles? Yea, no.

What does the term "world class" actually mean after all?
You are able to compete against most of the players from any country..?
Something like that, yes, in my opinion.

The problem we still have here is that the lists are just too lousy. I know new players want to bash me for this but aren't you tired of seeing new players shouting "i got world class time on level xxxx!!" ?
I do know it's really cool for them to get one, and I would love to get one myself if I were new to this game, but it kinda takes away all the seriousness of the list. Think about it, there are 5 different classes in the target time list, don't you think you should be really, and I mean really good to be able to get yourself the first class status?

I'm just trying to say, it would be good for everyone if we had a target time list which really has targets corresponding the specific classes. That would be good for everyone, I mean, think of it, when you know the list really is challenging and you finally managed to pull out really good time and see yourself in a high class, you can be and feel happy and people will take your times seriously. Yes, seriously, as now it's pretty much just a joke.

Opinions?

8-ball · Post by **8-ball** » 19 Dec 2003, 11:17

u mean world class on lab pro is like 2:25 ???
and ah - 1:40 ?

J-sim · Post by **J-sim** » 19 Dec 2003, 12:11

8-ball wrote:u mean world class on lab pro is like 2:25 ???
and ah - 1:40 ?

World class would in my opinion be a top10 time in the world, so hard to say precisely on these levs cos records don't really get updated these days. But your suggestions are pretty good as far as i see.
So I think the target times should directly be taken from the records section, of course it would have to be updated regularly then. Or another thing could be to make those leagues like on memo, but then again that would be pretty caotic with so many players...

As the list is today it is pretty useless for anyone that has played more than a couple of months. And to dz yeha im also tired of that "yesh i do quickly round the world class 49.xx !!!!!11"

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 19 Dec 2003, 12:16

These targets are at least way better than the original ones...
so stop complaining!

Do a better one yourself if this one sax so much balle

dz · Post by dz » 19 Dec 2003, 12:20

Under progress - but don't worry, it won't be just "dz's version of target time list", we are doing it together with some players to share out point of views.

J-sim · Post by **J-sim** » 19 Dec 2003, 12:21

zworqy wrote:These targets are at least way better than the original ones...
so stop complaining!

Do a better one yourself if this one sax so much balle

If you got offended from what I said, I'm sorry. But I actually commented the old one (which I know better), of course that is not really the tropic doh..
Yours doesn't sax balle but I must admit I won't use it cos it's still a little to ez to get a world class time, which is the bestest of the bestest and thus should be pretty hard ok?

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 19 Dec 2003, 12:38

J-sim wrote:If you got offended from what I said, I'm sorry. But I actually commented the old one (which I know better), of course that is not really the tropic doh..

It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, well maybe dz but not really.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 19 Dec 2003, 17:47

J-sim wrote: If you got offended from what I said, I'm sorry. But I actually commented the old one (which I know better), of course that is not really the tropic doh..
Yours doesn't sax balle but I must admit I won't use it cos it's still a little to ez to get a world class time, which is the bestest of the bestest and thus should be pretty hard ok?

you mean total time or a single time?
cause when you own 1 world class player time and the rest is just good it doesn't make you a world class player ok? it is just the fact that you can call yourself a world class player a little when you have all these times as world class. Even then I see now sense in regarding yourself as a world class player, you do? it's what you achieve in all things from elma internal and external, the whole shit. And what makes you real world class is that other people recognize you as world class, I think at least.

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 20 Dec 2003, 09:32

If target times just were set ect. World Class top10 time, Prof top 25 time, then there would be no point in having them. Then you could just see how good time you have you top100 times.

dz · Post by dz » 20 Dec 2003, 10:08

Kopaka wrote:If target times just were set ect. World Class top10 time, Prof top 25 time, then there would be no point in having them. Then you could just see how good time you have you top100 times.

Err.. I do not understand you. Please be more precise

chux · Post by **chux** » 20 Dec 2003, 13:20

Yeah, that is a good point...
If the limits are just certain times achieved by kuskis already, theres no real need for a table to show us them, we could just check on Moposite...
But itd be quicker in a table, so it might still be a good idea

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 20 Dec 2003, 13:36

of course it has to be based on kuski's times.
No point in adding tt 33;xx;xx as world class time eh?

chux · Post by **chux** » 20 Dec 2003, 13:43

no, it has to be based on achieveable times. Not the 25th, 10th, whatever time...if its like that, theres not much need for a table.
But still, i dont mind i use elmatimes anyway...(thats out of date too)

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 21 Dec 2003, 09:46

Yes that's what I meant

Serj · Post by **Serj** » 8 Aug 2004, 14:39

Just saw the new target times list. There's just one thing totally wrong with this. The beginner times are also updated in this list and sometimes much better than in the previous one. This is just plain stupid. A beginner is a beginner. You're not going to be a better beginner because the pro players get better times nowadays.

How was this list made anyway. For example, driving 14,38 in warm up is definately easier than 17,00 in flat track. Same with twin peaks 19,80. I mean when you can drive those times with the old styles you're better than ok IMO.

John · Post by **John** » 8 Aug 2004, 16:11

It's nice that someone took initiative to do a new list, but there is some minor things I would like to change here and there...

Juski · Post by **Juski** » 8 Aug 2004, 16:26

Minor things?? i got like all beginner times and some not even that, i dont see myself as beginner anymore

Serj · Post by **Serj** » 8 Aug 2004, 17:22

I agree with most world class and pro times. Some good and OK times should be a bit easier and beginner times should be about the same as the previous list.

dz · Post by dz » 8 Aug 2004, 17:35

Juski wrote:Minor things?? i got like all beginner times and some not even that, i dont see myself as beginner anymore

Then obviously you have generally very bad times nad they're not gonna get improved by whining. Go on and PLAY!

Squip · Post by **Squip** » 8 Aug 2004, 17:53

Nice to see a new targetlist, good job Luther!

With a soon updated recordlist it will be easier to get a general idea about how though/easy the diffrent times are to achieve.

Post by **Abula** » 8 Aug 2004, 19:36

Ye I also think beginner times should be easier. Let's remake it after the Records update.

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 8 Aug 2004, 21:19

Ye, these target times are completely fucked up!! MY list is waaaaaay better if I may say so...

Who does Luther think he is really? He got moposite access and thinks "muahahaha, now I can do what I want" and makes a targets list and decides like a dictator that this is the new list, without (i think) asking someone if they look good...

My list was, and still is, only a humble suggestion.

And about all these xx,00 times... LOL!If you're gonna make a targets list, at least put some effort in it and don't be so lazy...

OK, I'll quit complaining now...

John · Post by **John** » 8 Aug 2004, 21:41

zworqy wrote:Ye, these target times are completely fucked up!! MY list is waaaaaay better if I may say so...

Who does Luther think he is really? He got moposite access and thinks "muahahaha, now I can do what I want" and makes a targets list and decides like a dictator that this is the new list, without (i think) asking someone if they look good...

My list was, and still is, only a humble suggestion.

And about all these xx,00 times... LOL!If you're gonna make a targets list, at least put some effort in it and don't be so lazy...

OK, I'll quit complaining now...

Let me see your list...
I had 39 WC times on Luther's list btw

sierra · Post by **sierra** » 8 Aug 2004, 23:47

ramp frenzy 54,00 is harsh

how many guys have 53s? like 4 or 5 or something

Visions · Post by **Visions** » 9 Aug 2004, 01:48

I agree with zworqy this target times list isnÂ´t a one man job is it?....itÂ´s something for the whole community....so at least 5-10 people could agree of a fair list and not just world class players....but begginners and good players too only then can the list be true and fair as it should be....and how can you be so stupid to change the beginner times?....lol....beginners are beginners and so be it...

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 9 Aug 2004, 08:02

some of times are not good set
uphill made only by 2 (i think)
other too ez - hooked 18.00 is too much

it's not ez to set good times
everybody has problems with different levs

Luther · Post by **Luther** » 9 Aug 2004, 08:47

Listen.

Abula will look over the OK and Beginner section after we have decided 100% the Professional and World Class.

Cloud will assist me and finish the target list (perhaps some other people aware of what a proper world class time would be as well, Zweq, t0r?).

For instance I know Cloud knows Tricks Abound better than I, and hence the world class time for that level will be lowered).

Luther · Post by **Luther** » 9 Aug 2004, 12:19

Final one up.

If you disagree with us with some of the times it's your problem. This is the final target times list as for 2004-08-09.

Serj · Post by **Serj** » 9 Aug 2004, 13:26

Better list now, I atleast got all OK times exept grav ride, turnaround and framework, but I really suck at those levs.
Still think some of the beginner times are to hard to get for a beginner. I got an old stat.txt from when I was playing elma for about one month, my TT was 58,30 back then.

Times I think should be different:

4. Over and under ~38,00
5. Uphill battle ~27,00
16. New wave ~1:55,00
Jusk ask people with TT of about 1 hr their times on those levs.

Some other levels could have faster times but thats personal, I remember finishing AH in 4:07 first time with my own in editor invented style.

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 9 Aug 2004, 14:28

another few fixings and i won't have any world class time

TARGETS12.TXT - Just a suggestion

TARGETS12.TXT - Just a suggestion

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