BELMA - Battle Elasto Mania

zworqy · Post by **zworqy** » 20 Oct 2008, 21:04

unban would mean he wins, and we can't have that, can we?

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 20 Oct 2008, 21:05

I think you should unban berh. He's a nice guy.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 20 Oct 2008, 21:20

yes he is!

abruzzi · Post by **abruzzi** » 21 Oct 2008, 02:24

Ok, I give up, I lost this one

The repair FTP button did (actually lolled) me in

I need to come up with some more angry attack

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 21 Oct 2008, 02:33

abruzzi wrote:
I need to come up with some more angry attack

nice that you noticed already

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 21 Oct 2008, 06:53

abruzzi wrote:wanna belma ftp work?
unban me till you've got the http version
i hope it's simple enough

we would not want you to become a pathetic nerd, would we

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 21 Oct 2008, 12:18

Smibu wrote:Just came in my mind: If someone has problems in current version with port forwarding (can't see others etc.), will that problem remain in new version too, or does it work differently or something?

From what I understood mila saying new version won't use udp at all, only tcp, so there will be no need for port forwarding.

Smibu · Post by **Smibu** » 21 Oct 2008, 13:33

Kopaka wrote: From what I understood mila saying new version won't use udp at all, only tcp, so there will be no need for port forwarding.

Thanks!!!

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 22 Oct 2008, 11:37

oh nice! just include possibility to use proxy now and i can play in school too =)

western · Post by **western** » 23 Oct 2008, 04:57

Coc0k wrote:i wanna proxy support!!!

Actually it's possible to reroute traffic to some kind of proxy, but I'll not be the one who tells how to do it, because of two main reasons:

- then berh (whoever that is) will be able to bypass;
- then people like Lukazz will make a talli of themselves.

Kopaka wrote:
Smibu wrote:Just came in my mind: If someone has problems in current version with port forwarding (can't see others etc.), will that problem remain in new version too, or does it work differently or something?
From what I understood mila saying new version won't use udp at all, only tcp, so there will be no need for port forwarding.

So that does make a difference? I thought the network architecture remained the same...

P.S.: if you've got problems with port forwarding, why don't you ask here? I've took the time to write a tutorial just for this!

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 26 Oct 2008, 02:11

ROFL!!!

cuz of time change, belma added 1h to my balle! xD
http://up.k10x.net/phutuqmfquhmc/snap250.pcx

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 26 Oct 2008, 02:29

mawane and his pcx. i am not gonna search and install a fucking program to see your pic man :S jpg, bmp, jpeg, gif

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 26 Oct 2008, 09:50

sla... Install Infran view..

Opens everything.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 26 Oct 2008, 11:18

yeah wtf pcx is not webstandard.. but ehm I can imagine the funnyness

Kopaka · Post by **Kopaka** » 26 Oct 2008, 11:24

watefak tj and sla, as elma players you should have program that can open pcx :S

Edit: Post 4444

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 26 Oct 2008, 12:01

I have, it's called GIMP and comes standard with ubuntu. But like I'm gonna boot that up for a mere screenshot, come on?

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 26 Oct 2008, 15:03

http://www.irfanview.com/

Â½ secs for windows users... For Ubuntu, there is no such program as a default? Oh, i got surprised.

Maybe come on and tell about it for Ubuntu team or whatever is it. Im sure they does something for it.

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 26 Oct 2008, 17:52

Thanks you fin, i am installing it for the next time i need but still not going to open that ugly pic anyways

P

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 26 Oct 2008, 19:02

lol i have a shit called ACDsee and it opens pcx thanks to what i can convert screens to jpg etc.
really rofled on this one

here is jpg:
http://up.k10x.net/nvwnacgykjrki/snap250.JPG

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 26 Oct 2008, 19:37

sick reso.

Zweq · Post by **Zweq** » 27 Oct 2008, 13:31

that's actually quite funny, too bad mawane ain't too good at storytelling "LOL

:D: d. D:

::D:D shit.pcx". yes i couldnt open it either

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 7 Nov 2008, 04:51

I fully agree with Zweq. Funny, bad storytelling. But still funny

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 16 Nov 2008, 00:27

Anyone knows if its possible to play Belma under Linux? I know that Elma can be used without problems but want to know that.
thx!

western · Post by **western** » 18 Nov 2008, 04:37

could implement the ability to create target time balles, e.g. i start this level, and the first one to get under 32 seconds wins (only if the author of the level know the target time is reasonable), or else the best time when the normal countdown finishes.

/just an idea

p.s. i don't play elma anymore, so i don't care... just a little bit interested in the scene

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 18 Nov 2008, 14:51

hmm, its seems to be pretty good idea, very interesting for sure, maybe even worth programming (hey mila

)

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 18 Nov 2008, 23:26

sla wrote:Anyone knows if its possible to play Belma under Linux? I know that Elma can be used without problems but want to know that.
thx!

Yes, I run belma under ubuntu with wine, without modifications whatsoever. It's quite a bitch though since it's buggy with the loading screen, and in my experience laggy when using at high resolution. Alt-tab won't work aswell.

Sla · Post by **Sla** » 19 Nov 2008, 03:01

Ok thanks tijs. The info is for a guy from Chile who wanted to change os.
me, win98 ofc and elma %100 ok =)

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 20 Nov 2008, 18:29

I chatted on belma about One Wheel battle mode and people agreed to say it would be more fun than usual "no brake", "no volts", etc.

What do you think about it?

pawq · Post by **pawq** » 20 Nov 2008, 18:49

hmm.. sounds nice, would be fun

western · Post by **western** » 20 Nov 2008, 20:33

you mean, the upper wheel touches the ground and it presses ESC

FinMan · Post by **FinMan** » 20 Nov 2008, 21:58

One wheel = only one wheel can touch groud at the time.

So doesnt matter if its upper or not.

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 21 Nov 2008, 00:37

Yeah cause pressing spacebar = esc.

Orcc · Post by **Orcc** » 21 Nov 2008, 04:58

Bismuth wrote:Yeah cause pressing spacebar = esc.

So how are you supposed to drive to the other direction?

Death just when both wheels touch the ground. I remember the one-wheel internal contest, driving like that is actually pretty hard.

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 22 Nov 2008, 01:04

Yeah, I meant that it should be 2 wheels at same time = death instead of front wheel touches ground = death, because pressing spacebar would equal pressing escape, which isn't desirable.

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 22 Nov 2008, 01:07

mila didnt accept, too much work to do, and here are news from the next verion:

[09:48] <Mawane_TR> I've noticed that I'm not alone to have the LGR problem.
[09:48] <Mawane_TR> When switching between lgrs
[09:49] <Mawane_TR> could you fix it for next version of belma? because there was no problem about it in previous version before belma
[11:21] <teh_mila> yes its fixed
-
[08/11/21 18:41:33] <Mawane_TR> hi
[08/11/21 18:41:40] <teh_mila> hi
[08/11/21 18:42:13] <Mawane_TR> i chatted with people and they would like One wheel battle mode
[08/11/21 18:42:22] <Mawane_TR> is it hard to make?
[08/11/21 18:42:26] <teh_mila> yes
[08/11/21 18:42:39] <Mawane_TR> will you make it?
[08/11/21 18:42:53] <teh_mila> no
[08/11/21 18:42:59] <Mawane_TR> it would be more interesting than current modes
[08/11/21 18:43:08] <teh_mila> for 5 mins
[08/11/21 18:43:17] <Mawane_TR> bah...
[08/11/21 18:43:40] <Mawane_TR> how long to make? 1 week? 1month? more?
[08/11/21 18:43:46] <teh_mila> no idea
[08/11/21 18:43:49] <Mawane_TR> ok
[08/11/21 18:43:59] <teh_mila> not very well defined
[08/11/21 18:44:10] <teh_mila> with which wheel can you touch and so on
[08/11/21 18:44:58] <Mawane_TR> so there will be apple count in next version?
[08/11/21 18:45:12] <teh_mila> yes
[08/11/21 18:45:22] <Mawane_TR> awesome
[08/11/21 18:46:07] <Mawane_TR> and is it possible to chat without dying?
[08/11/21 18:46:28] <teh_mila> its possible to spy without playing
[08/11/21 18:46:45] <teh_mila> if you chat in teh mode, you dont die
[08/11/21 18:46:48] <teh_mila> cause you dont play
[08/11/21 18:47:00] <Mawane_TR> but if theres a hill
[08/11/21 18:47:23] <Mawane_TR> its annoying to find a safe area
[08/11/21 18:47:43] <teh_mila> as i said, if you spy without playing, you dont have to find any area
[08/11/21 18:47:49] <teh_mila> because your kuski is not there
[08/11/21 18:48:18] <Mawane_TR> will the apple disapear when another kuski catch it?
[08/11/21 18:48:29] <Mawane_TR> when spying obv
[08/11/21 18:48:42] <teh_mila> no
[08/11/21 18:48:45] <teh_mila> but will in multiplayer
[08/11/21 18:48:50] <Mawane_TR> ok
[08/11/21 18:49:53] <Mawane_TR> what about replay control keys, if backward, to get back apple and sound
[08/11/21 18:49:59] <Mawane_TR> sound is weird
[08/11/21 18:50:09] <teh_mila> i dont want to play with hib's code
[08/11/21 18:50:11] <teh_mila> it sax
[08/11/21 18:50:18] <Mawane_TR> oh
[08/11/21 18:50:35] <Mawane_TR> ok, not huge problem, but would be nice to be fixed
[08/11/21 18:50:39] <teh_mila> wont do anything with teh atm
[08/11/21 18:50:52] <teh_mila> if i decide to, i would redo whole system
[08/11/21 18:51:00] <teh_mila> cuase it doesnt really work in vsync off
[08/11/21 18:51:01] <Mawane_TR> hehe
[08/11/21 18:51:45] <teh_mila> not for next version though
[08/11/21 18:51:53] <teh_mila> i want to finish teh and take a long break from patching
[08/11/21 18:51:55] <Mawane_TR> will it be possible to chat during editor testing, editor, replay, (menu?) ?
[08/11/21 18:52:01] <teh_mila> yes
[08/11/21 18:52:13] <teh_mila> not in menu but yes in editor/replay
[08/11/21 18:52:13] <Mawane_TR> omg, evn menu
[08/11/21 18:52:18] <Mawane_TR> ah...
[08/11/21 18:52:52] <Mawane_TR> did you take decision from your poll about udp/tcp?
[08/11/21 18:53:09] <teh_mila> did make some decision
[08/11/21 18:53:34] <teh_mila> both work
[08/11/21 18:53:57] <Mawane_TR> so? will it be possible to play even at school with other shown?
[08/11/21 18:54:09] <Mawane_TR> everywhere
[08/11/21 18:54:10] <teh_mila> yes
[08/11/21 18:54:18] <Mawane_TR> THAT is awesome!
[08/11/21 18:54:27] <Mawane_TR> huge thanks
[08/11/21 18:56:51] <Mawane_TR> what about possibility to abort our own balle?
[08/11/21 18:57:04] <teh_mila> no

Bismuth · Post by **Bismuth** » 22 Nov 2008, 01:09

Nice

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 22 Nov 2008, 02:05

najs! i'm so looking forward to the new version =)

western · Post by **western** » 22 Nov 2008, 02:07

if you had put it like:

[08/11/21 18:42:13] <Mawane_TR> people would like One wheel battle mode
[08/11/21 18:42:22] <Mawane_TR> what do you think?
[08/11/21 18:42:26] <teh_mila> it's a little bit difficult to code
[08/11/21 18:42:39] <Mawane_TR> will you give it some thought

[08/11/22 18:42:26] <teh_mila> the one wheel battle mode
[08/11/22 18:42:13] <Mawane_TR> one wheel what?
[08/11/22 18:42:26] <teh_mila> battle mode
[08/11/22 18:42:22] <Mawane_TR> oh
[08/11/22 18:42:39] <Mawane_TR> yes, the one wheel battle mode
[08/11/22 18:42:26] <teh_mila> it's done
[08/11/22 18:42:22] <Mawane_TR> no kidding?

[to be followed]

Mawane · Post by **Mawane** » 22 Nov 2008, 02:35

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 22 Nov 2008, 05:02

this is going to be fucking awesome, i'll finally see people!

milagros · Post by **milagros** » 22 Nov 2008, 16:47

looks like only zamppe read my signature

Palme · Post by **Palme** » 25 Nov 2008, 22:38

Okay, I ll start playing internals right now!

western · Post by **western** » 29 Nov 2008, 21:38

three things:

1) mila, check your pms

2)

milagros wrote:[about the fps-limiter patch] you won't be able to change fps during run

so you won't be able to change fps during run... but, it doesn't protect somebody using an external tool to change the fps back and forth, right? in other words, when somebody do a wr, is the rec checked to see if the fps he used was constant?

3)

Zweq wrote:The third level that needs this prog is shelf life, again because of removal of the kpd [keypress delay], which mila said to be around 10ms with 50fps or was it 60fps, I didn't quite understand the technical part. anyway shelf life hole becomes harder the higher fps you have. With 300 it barely went through the hole anymore. Let's take me who always plays with 800 fps, I mean 99% of the time. With 800 fps I can't get under 40 in shelf life because of the hole, and with vsync on I feel so noob that I can barely get under 37. The fps matters less now because there's no kpd, as long as it is under 300, but some 250 should be decent fps, because the bike is acting about same as 800. 250 used to be normal fps back in 02-04, times change people, we have to adapt. No way I'm buying some 700mhz processor.

do you people think should the default value be left (1) at the refresh rate (often 60) or (2) at somewhere near 200 or (3) things more important than that...

Grace · Post by **Grace** » 30 Nov 2008, 02:51

western wrote:three things:

2)
milagros wrote:[about the fps-limiter patch] you won't be able to change fps during run
so you won't be able to change fps during run... but, it doesn't protect somebody using an external tool to change the fps back and forth, right? in other words, when somebody do a wr, is the rec checked to see if the fps he used was constant?

i read somewhere on this forum that fps changed don't take effect until after you exit (b)elma.exe

Lukazz · Post by **Lukazz** » 30 Nov 2008, 11:08

you can change fps during run with timer on/off (dunno if it has an effect). so it would be stupid to test replays for that.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 30 Nov 2008, 12:15

timer on/off really affects your fps yes.

Xiphias · Post by **Xiphias** » 30 Nov 2008, 17:26

tijsjoris wrote:timer on/off really affects your fps yes.

actually it does.. With my older windows settings it was like 60fps and 500fps

but now it almost doesn't affect it.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 1 Dec 2008, 01:08

I hope I got your message right, I said it does affect and so did you, so we agree right?

60 to 500 is really much, I experienced something like 200 and 300 or fuck like that and I thought it was much.

western · Post by **western** » 1 Dec 2008, 01:31

for argument's sake, tijsjoris, turning the timer on/off affects the fps. I don't know what kind of comp you got over there, but here it sure has an effect.

teajay · Post by **teajay** » 1 Dec 2008, 02:52

You guys really bug me with this..