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Re: 32tt project
Nice project! Guess mila turned the scene upside down once again!
This must be the 4th or 5th time mila does that. (cheat tools, ballelma, eol, 32tt)
What implication do you believe this would make?
My guess.
- Nobody cares about wr anymore, limits is known, styles known, why hoyl?
- Wr must be driven online
- After two years pexi freeze wrs update
- Mila releases recs and kazan drives the styles and do 34tt
- Mila release the tool and http://elmacheat.tripod.com/ becomes very popular until 29tt
This must be the 4th or 5th time mila does that. (cheat tools, ballelma, eol, 32tt)
What implication do you believe this would make?
My guess.
- Nobody cares about wr anymore, limits is known, styles known, why hoyl?
- Wr must be driven online
- After two years pexi freeze wrs update
- Mila releases recs and kazan drives the styles and do 34tt
- Mila release the tool and http://elmacheat.tripod.com/ becomes very popular until 29tt
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I think a program that looks for the best possible route has been done before. I am pretty sure I saw a rec driven of Mario Cart on speeddemos.com. It was a program that found every bug in the game to drive the fastest possible route. Maybe Mila just emulated something like that for elasto. Either way, share the recs is my vote.anpdad wrote:program that invents styles? well, control theory could provide neat results in a simplified modelled engine with fixed low fps, in a reasonable time. With recs. Even more simplified version without any physics of the bike could be applicable too, to simply outline the possible routes. This would be cool to see, i wonder if he used that, or something more primitive instead. I'm still convinced none of that was in use though. Brain styles, saveload driving, optimize bounces with proggy, ...., profit!
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This topic is very much related: http://mopolauta.moposite.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6068Memphis wrote:I think a program that looks for the best possible route has been done before. I am pretty sure I saw a rec driven of Mario Cart on speeddemos.com. It was a program that found every bug in the game to drive the fastest possible route. Maybe Mila just emulated something like that for elasto. Either way, share the recs is my vote.
tl;dr that's simply impossible
then again i don't know anything
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Oh, interesting. Somehow missed that topic (though i wasn't that active back in 2009, maybe that's why), thanks for the link, some interesting read there, a simple and applicable way of optimizing the runs. I thought of something like this, but didn't expect someone to code and use such stuff in practice. Also, taking milagros' insanely hoyled times in trainlevs into consideration, i assumed that he just needs to use saveload, no further optimization is needed :)
Out of curiosity - how much time does one rec take to be done? are we talking of minutes or rather of hours/days here? Hi flyer looks like it was driven in 30mins + 30mins on calculations. I have no idea why i got that impression, but it keeps bugging my mind.
Out of curiosity - how much time does one rec take to be done? are we talking of minutes or rather of hours/days here? Hi flyer looks like it was driven in 30mins + 30mins on calculations. I have no idea why i got that impression, but it keeps bugging my mind.
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I feel for progress of 34tt laby pro rec should probably be spread.
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im see no probelm with sharing these stajls) spying sik looking recs is far from all there is to the internal scene, most coalness still lies in driving the tiems without xiits, and i tihnk also this cud help bost wr making and pasibly lead to 34tt)
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I still think Johns animal farm rec is more cool than any cheated rec, so yeah.jonharkulsykkel wrote:most coalness still lies in driving the tiems without xiits
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I am so excited about this project, I want to see every replay by mila.
And it would not influence internal scene anything since it's practically already dead. I think the opposite actually, people maybe will find more interest in internals again after sharing some of these incredible recs by mila =)
I say again, MAKE A VIDEO of it.
Someone make a poll and ask whether this is good or bad, then we can decide if it is good or bad.
But even if most people want to see them it still is stuck with mila.
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And it would not influence internal scene anything since it's practically already dead. I think the opposite actually, people maybe will find more interest in internals again after sharing some of these incredible recs by mila =)
I say again, MAKE A VIDEO of it.
Someone make a poll and ask whether this is good or bad, then we can decide if it is good or bad.
But even if most people want to see them it still is stuck with mila.
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Comparing to Stini's Enigma bounce what is this value?milagros wrote:b) bounces should have no pop and the strength was limited to "certain" value - some may find some bounces buggy:/
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exactly o,o that's what i was talking about some time ago, setting a certain "physical" value for the bounce strengths. As mila seemingly achieved to calculate such value for his bounces - why not apply the system to the uncheated recs and for example set the "legit" boundary 1 unit above Stini's Enigma bounce (if it had been on the table for so long - i think there is no need to explain why it should stay there), so that we can easily and unarguably determine whether a bounce is legit or not in the future :)
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I think if Mila doesn't end up sharing replays for internals atleast do it to Master cup levels after the round has been completed or famous levels like world cup levels. We want to see this program in action! Don't keep the people waiting Mila! You have us by the balls here.
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Except that it takes effort to make the runs even with saveload and autoplay. It's not just simply running the program. And he did mention he's going to release one rec monthly.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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one rec twomonthly ;(
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I don't have the patience for one monthly. if u do atleast do laby pro right off the bat so that it keeps are mind on something else for a bit.
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It'll only be 9 years until he has shared them all.
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then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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Hah. Almost had me choke on my sandwich.Jappe wrote:where is your god now memphis?!?
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Re: 32tt project
hey guys
well if thats the truth and these recs really exist i am impressed! Great work, teh_mila! So, if our votes can change mila's mind i vote for sharing vid but recs. I would rather watch a movie with a good soundtrack than see fifty four recs wanking on each move in slowmo.
well if thats the truth and these recs really exist i am impressed! Great work, teh_mila! So, if our votes can change mila's mind i vote for sharing vid but recs. I would rather watch a movie with a good soundtrack than see fifty four recs wanking on each move in slowmo.
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Next project multi tt? I think I got the tagline down: Double the players, half the time. Would it be possible?
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uphill 21.66 mengerle's style
took 5 mins, wasn't as impsy as it looked, 21.3x seems ez possible
took 5 mins, wasn't as impsy as it looked, 21.3x seems ez possible
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what's his style? old WR recs from moposite doesn't work :Smilagros wrote:uphill 21.66 mengerle's style
took 5 mins, wasn't as impsy as it looked, 21.3x seems ez possible
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thanks
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hah best april fools ever? fooled everyone who thought even for a second that those times were a joke.
personally and since several different saveload programs are publicly available, I think a movie of all those recs could be only a good thing for the health of internal scene. sure, there is the argument of killing the joy of possibly finding any of those insane styles legit but i think mila would agree that with most of them that is simply never ever going to happen.
the future of elma lies within battles without a doubt but i think this could only motivate some people to go for the crazy styles that are actually within the realms of being reasonably doable. better now when people still have hoyling spirit in them than in 2020 don't you think?
btw i'll use the moment for a shout out to everyone who doesn't send mila their wr recs: fuck you. who do you think you are? insignificant dipshits.
personally and since several different saveload programs are publicly available, I think a movie of all those recs could be only a good thing for the health of internal scene. sure, there is the argument of killing the joy of possibly finding any of those insane styles legit but i think mila would agree that with most of them that is simply never ever going to happen.
the future of elma lies within battles without a doubt but i think this could only motivate some people to go for the crazy styles that are actually within the realms of being reasonably doable. better now when people still have hoyling spirit in them than in 2020 don't you think?
btw i'll use the moment for a shout out to everyone who doesn't send mila their wr recs: fuck you. who do you think you are? insignificant dipshits.
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i haven't sent yet, hujXarthok wrote:btw i'll use the moment for a shout out to everyone who doesn't send mila their wr recs: fuck you. who do you think you are? insignificant dipshits.
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mila, are the 54 internal cheated recs for sale?
if so, for how much?
one price for all 54?
price per each? (if so, dif price dif recs?)
I know a few are spreaded on youtube vids but real recs are the deal.
So, tell your price (if they even are for sale) so I can decide if its worth it.
Thanks!
if so, for how much?
one price for all 54?
price per each? (if so, dif price dif recs?)
I know a few are spreaded on youtube vids but real recs are the deal.
So, tell your price (if they even are for sale) so I can decide if its worth it.
Thanks!
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2 million each, or 1 million for the pack.
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aren't we due for another rec spread? It's every 2 months right?
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damn that's a nab excuse. every 2 months is a long enough delay between replays... and now never?
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Why would he need a valid reason?
then again i don't know anything
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so what u waiting for
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so i just got to put on my girl's disguise, go live near mila's town, seduce him, sleep with him, and then steal his hard drive.
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Would be a bit amusing for the rest of us if someone were insane enough to go steal mila's HD.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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seems like a waste.milagros wrote:they are not waste, they are on my harddrive:)
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nah, because all the time that you spent creating the recs and your just going to keep them for yourself. I went along with the every 2 month thing but holding them to yourself seems creapy. It's like a guy who can set a Guiness world record for fastest rubix cuber but doesn't show anyone and keeps it to himself but goes around telling people he can do it.
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which returns to
milagros wrote:because recs are not on your harddrive:)
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Agree with Memphis. Feels like a wasted opportunity for contribution.
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As if mila hasn't contributed enough.
then again i don't know anything
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
maybe easier not to think abouut alöl things thought than not things thought ... or something..=?
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Lousku wrote:As if mila hasn't contributed enough.
as if stopping contributing is contributish
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If someone got all WRs legitimately, would there be such demand for the recs? Probably. Would it be dealt with the same way? I don't think so. We've all come to realize that it's up to the WR-holder, and the WR-holder alone, to decide whether or not he or she wants their rec public. So shut the fuck up and learn to live with mila's decision.
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I don't want to shut my fuck up, the point here is that milagros one day says he will release a rec every month or so (which is very arbitrary by the bye), and the next day he says "ok actually I won't". It's frustrating, that's all; so i do understand why people are upset, as I am myself.
Frankly, all these slesk styles are awesome, there is no good reason to let them rot unknown somewhere.
Frankly, all these slesk styles are awesome, there is no good reason to let them rot unknown somewhere.
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I don't think he will simply let them rot somewhere.
Also, I kind of take comfort in knowing that there are styles out there which are not yet made/spread.
Also, I kind of take comfort in knowing that there are styles out there which are not yet made/spread.
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Mila has spent countless hours working on cheat detection and trying to break cheating in elma, to make it as honest and fair a game as possible. When Smibu spread undetectable SL, it meant that a lot of Mila's hard work went to waste because of one stupid decision. If Mila wants to be angry over that, that's fair. A hell of a lot more frustrating than being denied something you don't have any right to in the first place.totem wrote:I don't want to shut my fuck up, the point here is that milagros one day says he will release a rec every month or so (which is very arbitrary by the bye), and the next day he says "ok actually I won't". It's frustrating, that's all; so i do understand why people are upset, as I am myself.
Frankly, all these slesk styles are awesome, there is no good reason to let them rot unknown somewhere.
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