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Hi, I want to post this because of my aggression of the events of last night and today. First of all, I gambled a thousand danish crowns (200$) got up against 2-3 thousand, and was very pleased with the outcome, but then all of a sudden I lost everything. I could not take that fact, and kept on putting more and more money on my account and lost all.

So at last I had 40 danish crowns left, and read about a nice roulette strategy. I tried it off, and actually, the 40 danish crowns evolved to be 600 danish crowns suddenly, and I was on FIRE, because the events from last night was not so bad after all. But then, the roulette showed black 9 times in a row, and last time "0", so I lost everything once again.

Now its sunday, and I cant WAIT untill tommorow so I can put more money on my bankaccount and play further.

Do you have any experiences like this?
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where did you play?
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you should stop to play or you will soon lose your computer in casino
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I started playing on bet24, then expekt, then unibet, then centrebet. I changed because as cash ran out, I kept switching hosts because they accept smaller amounts of money to be cashed in than others.
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FW wrote: So at last I had 40 danish crowns left, and read about a nice roulette strategy.
There doesn't really exist a good roulette strategy.
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Well in some way, yes. If calculating the chances the value x comes x times in a row, and calculated from the last 2/3 spins, what would be the most common next factor to show up. I know that it will still be 50/50 what factor comes up, but the chance that the same shows up for instance 3 times in a row is a lot smaller, so such kind of statistics I was writing for every spin. I don't know if I was just lucky (at the time), but I got it right 8/10 times
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I only play small playing machines in finland, put some 2e, if I lose, fuck it, if I win 5e, I take em out, wont try to win over 10e for example because the shit machine if programmed to cheat nabs ;)
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I saw a reportage in german tv and there was a man who never loses on roulette in long-term. He checked all roulette plays of 5 to 10 casinos (he prints them out and reads some numbers, crazy guy) and then developed a system.

They tested it and after some hours playing he was from 200€ to 300€ or sach.
They tested again it it was quite the same.

He said he never wins big time, but always wins ;P He is banned from several casinos in the US
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FW wrote:Hi, I want to post this because of my aggression of the events of last night and today. First of all, I gambled a thousand danish crowns (200$) got up against 2-3 thousand, and was very pleased with the outcome, but then all of a sudden I lost everything. I could not take that fact, and kept on putting more and more money on my account and lost all.

So at last I had 40 danish crowns left, and read about a nice roulette strategy. I tried it off, and actually, the 40 danish crowns evolved to be 600 danish crowns suddenly, and I was on FIRE, because the events from last night was not so bad after all. But then, the roulette showed black 9 times in a row, and last time "0", so I lost everything once again.

Now its sunday, and I cant WAIT untill tommorow so I can put more money on my bankaccount and play further.

Do you have any experiences like this?

i never lost big, but used to go to casinos and play. i liked roulette so much that i spent hundreds of hours on it, knew everything by hard (except its movement, unfortunately:()
as far as i understand u play it online, something i really don't agree with. online u can be cheated eeeezzzzzzzzz. so ez that i think nobody wins on long term. also... 9 black? damn, what kind of roulette is that, 9 is always red, belonging to 'orphelini'.
anyway, together with one of my friends (who lost in total, during 5yrs, ~4000E(i think i've lost ~6-700E)) we developed several 'strategies'. one was really safe actually, with lots of patience u could come to win. but since both lack it, we didn't.
my advice would be, first of all, of course, not to get carried away. secondly, stop playing online and go to a casino (they also have electronic roulettes over there), your chances will improve greatly. third... dunno... really, just don't get carried away.
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I've been doing a lot of researching as to where to play and where not to play. I play in the finest scandinavian betting/casino sites, which always pays back, and no one give any complains to these sites. If there is build some kind of cheating system in any sort of online roulette game, I'm very sure someone would have been posting about it on the internet (atleast I couldn't find any stuff when searching google).

Ive also calculated how many money I ought to have on my account before playing. That value of money, will assure me, that I want lose, unless I pick the wrong thing to play on 10 times in a row, and there's a very little chance of that.
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cheating is a sort o speaking. i can't really find the word in english... the roulette will fuck you, 'sthat better?:) irl u see a real steel ball which is joggling around, not some pixels on other pixels, thrown in paint or corel... of course, prolly every roulette has a sort of mechanism that can throw you away, but i can promise you the feeling is much better irl.
i know your tactic, but quite possible, when you'll have more money, u'll see 20 red numbers in a row(i've seen more, around 22-24). i used to play like this in the beginning too, afterwards i realized that winning only comes from playing on the actual numbers. also the risk is much higher and the win is very small (u want to make 1 and bet 1 but after, let's say 10 throws, u bet 512 for that 1)
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I dont believe that you have seen 22-24 reds in a row, ever.
But that will be up to my own experience. I'll repeat myself from before, I play on scandinavian, top quality online sites. They are very different from the american sites, as the scandinavian usually have much better support, and wont trick you.

I'll keep doing this untill I start to agree with you, and hopefully I will never do so :D

Anyway, thank you :D
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FW wrote:Well in some way, yes. If calculating the chances the value x comes x times in a row, and calculated from the last 2/3 spins, what would be the most common next factor to show up. I know that it will still be 50/50 what factor comes up, but the chance that the same shows up for instance 3 times in a row is a lot smaller, so such kind of statistics I was writing for every spin. I don't know if I was just lucky (at the time), but I got it right 8/10 times
The outcame of the next spin does not depend on the few earlier spins. If you get black four time in a row it is still 50% chance to get black next time also. Half of the times you get same colour X times in a row you also get it X+1 times in a row.
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Does that mean that the chance for having 24 times red in a row is fifty percent? I'd say that chance is more like 0.5^24.
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once when i was on a turku-stockholm cruise, i started with about 8e, played the poker machines and earned up to over 30e, then lost it all. of course i was devastated. i've learned my lesson since then, and never spend so much money on those evil machines anymore.
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play on football matches. so that you can use you brain and wisdom instead of putting money on random shit. then you can always blame youself for the loose/win :) and once in a while i play poker with some local friends.. no big deal, 100dkk (15e) tournaments were winner gets 600dkk (90e) and second best take 200dkk (30e).. we do like 2-3 games on a night, but some only do 1

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tijsjoris wrote:Does that mean that the chance for having 24 times red in a row is fifty percent? I'd say that chance is more like 0.5^24.
ye but it's not.. the next round doesn't depend on the round before.. But if remember correct the statistics tells that stuff usually happens in gruppes.. anyway I don't know how they are supposed to pick random numbers on a internet casino, anyone know??
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there is quite a lot random number generating algorithms

you can check one of them (written in different programming language, most casinos use java i guess)

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tijsjoris wrote:Does that mean that the chance for having 24 times red in a row is fifty percent? I'd say that chance is more like 0.5^24.
ye but it's not
Well, the chances of it being red once is 50%, but the probability of getting red 24 times ina row are incredibly small, being how many different combinations there are.

Same as the chances of getting hit by lightning in the usa are estimated to be about 1/250000. However, the probability of getting hit by lightning 6 times are roughly 1/600 million billion billion (600.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000) (yes, trust me (discovery ftw))
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tijsjoris wrote:Does that mean that the chance for having 24 times red in a row is fifty percent? I'd say that chance is more like 0.5^24.
ye but it's not
Well, the chances of it being red once is 50%, but the probability of getting red 24 times ina row are incredibly small, being how many different combinations there are.

Same as the chances of getting hit by lightning in the usa are estimated to be about 1/250000. However, the probability of getting hit by lightning 6 times are roughly 1/600 million billion billion (600.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000) (yes, trust me (discovery ftw))
no offence, but this is quite stupid. or... instead of speaking, i'm asking:
what is the diference between the probability of getting 24 reds in a row and the probability of getting red-black-red-black... etc. 24 times?


answer: none
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nony wrote:no offence, but this is quite stupid. or... instead of speaking, i'm asking:
what is the diference between the probability of getting 24 reds in a row and the probability of getting red-black-red-black... etc. 24 times?

answer: none
Well. That's true of course, but the probability of you not getting 24 reds in a row is 1-0.5^24. The alternative to 24 reds in a row is not only red-black-red-black 24 times, but all other combinations as well.

Oh, and the probability of getting 24 reds in a row if you already have gotten 23 reds in a row is 0.5.
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SveinR wrote:
nony wrote:no offence, but this is quite stupid. or... instead of speaking, i'm asking:
what is the diference between the probability of getting 24 reds in a row and the probability of getting red-black-red-black... etc. 24 times?

answer: none
Well. That's true of course, but the probability of you not getting 24 reds in a row is 1-0.5^24. The alternative to 24 reds in a row is not only red-black-red-black 24 times, but all other combinations as well.

Oh, and the probability of getting 24 reds in a row if you already have gotten 23 reds in a row is 0.5.
Thank you. And yes like he said

Oh, and the probability of getting 24 reds in a row if you already have gotten 23 reds in a row is 0.5.

But then again the probability of getting the first 23 reds are very small.
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FW wrote:Well in some way, yes. If calculating the chances the value x comes x times in a row, and calculated from the last 2/3 spins, what would be the most common next factor to show up. I know that it will still be 50/50 what factor comes up, but the chance that the same shows up for instance 3 times in a row is a lot smaller, so such kind of statistics I was writing for every spin. I don't know if I was just lucky (at the time), but I got it right 8/10 times
The outcame of the next spin does not depend on the few earlier spins. If you get black four time in a row it is still 50% chance to get black next time also. Half of the times you get same colour X times in a row you also get it X+1 times in a row.
Yeah, the chance that the next spin will be red is 50 %, correct. Well, 47 or so, calculating "0" in it aswell.

But thats not what I say

I say, the chance that the next 3 spins will red. Now, thats 16%.

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Mushroom wrote:
tijsjoris wrote:Does that mean that the chance for having 24 times red in a row is fifty percent? I'd say that chance is more like 0.5^24.
ye but it's not.. the next round doesn't depend on the round before.. But if remember correct the statistics tells that stuff usually happens in gruppes.. anyway I don't know how they are supposed to pick random numbers on a internet casino, anyone know??
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why cant you put x amount on red, then if you lose put 2x on red, if you lose again then double the bet again and put on red... and keep going until you win one! even if you lose 5 in a row which is unlikely, you still come out on top dont you?
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i realise you wont win big by this since u only make however much money u would on the first bet... but it means that as long as you have enough money to use the chances of you losing are tiny.

so providing you have enough money to stay in the game for as long as it takes (and you might even win on the first spin!) i figured out what u would make each time by repeating the bet with a multiplied amount:

win on first bet: first bet*2
win on the xth bet: first bet*(multiplier-1)

so if you put $10 on the first bet but lost, and then tripled the bet each time until u won, u would eventually be up $10*(3-2) or $20

and if you put $50 on the first bet but lost, and then doubled it each time until u won, u would eventually be up $50*(2-1) or $50

to me this makes sense i hope it does for you as well! i guess if u did it over and over again u could win a fair bit!
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That last one is bullshit. Keep im mind, that when playin with such high amounts, the cash will roll down quickly. FOr instance, if you play 10 cents per spin, and you trible what you played all the time, you have to have atleast 700$ bucks on your account or something to make sure that you wont guess it wrong 10 times in a row (which is very likely somehow". If you play 10 dollars per spin, you will need to have many thousands of dollars on the account to make sure that 10 spins wrong wont get you. You will pick the wrong thing often for 5-6 times in a row, and sometimes 8-10 times. If you double your bid all the time, and you play with 10 cents first, you will end up playing with hundreds of dollars if you guess wrong for many tries
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Hx wrote:why cant you put x amount on red, then if you lose put 2x on red, if you lose again then double the bet again and put on red... and keep going until you win one! even if you lose 5 in a row which is unlikely, you still come out on top dont you?
This is a very well-known and flawed strategy known as Martingale, which you of course can read about at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale ... te_system)
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Hx wrote:i realise you wont win big by this

so providing you have enough money to stay in the game for as long as it takes
i did say this

pretty funny that it has a name as well :wink:
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Furthermore I'd like to add, that your strategy with doubling the bet, is in my strategy as well, and in most strategies. But you will lose everything if you bet with too many money and you dont have enough money on your account
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I lost 100 bucks because i had a jack under the table (was playing poker)
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Hx wrote:
Hx wrote:i realise you wont win big by this

so providing you have enough money to stay in the game for as long as it takes
i did say this

pretty funny that it has a name as well :wink:
is there are 2^N players with enough money for N steps (and you are one of them), averagely one (slightly more because of those 0 and 00) of them will loose and casino will win
if you are that bad-luck one, you should kill yourself

..so if you go to casino, you have certain (any) amount of money, not infinity. Then you can count log_2(money/firstbet). You have money for that many steps(-1) . That's where it starts. You don't know how long does it take.
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i work as a dealer in a casino here in auckland, and yea, fucking hard to win

i went to melb casion for 10 days a few months ago and lost some 3thousand, dont regret though, was max fun and hey, next maybe ill win it back, so yea, gambling is fun :p
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haha you guys are adorable with your cute little bets and your play-it-safe tactics
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Hx wrote:why cant you put x amount on red, then if you lose put 2x on red, if you lose again then double the bet again and put on red... and keep going until you win one! even if you lose 5 in a row which is unlikely, you still come out on top dont you?
Casinos have a maximum bet policy (apart from the MGM in Las Vegas), and you don't have infinite money. Losing 5 times in a row might seem improbable mathematically but if you go to a casino and watch a roulette wheel, you'll see it happen all the time. I've seen it go black 11 times in a row, once 13 times in a row, and the dealers said this was not uncommon. That strategy is extremely high risk.
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well since my last posts i've figured out how to win at the casino, get 10 criminal friends to help you rob it. if you want more then get one more person each time you rob a new casino :P

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How to win big casinorelated money:
being that roulette is the most discussed topic in this thread, i will only tell the roulette version


1. Make sure you have a roulette wheel and all the other necessities for hosting a game of roulette.
2. Install small, remotly controlled, magnets in each number slot in the wheel. which you can activate/deactivate whenever you want through a small remote control. (You only need to have 2 buttons on the remote, 1 for all the "black slot magnets" and 1 for all the "red slot magnets".
3. If most money is bet on say red, then you activate the magnets in all the black slots. this will ensure a much higher probability that the ball will stop in a black slot instead.
4. Attract people as best as you can, and make them spend big money.
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Igge wrote:How to win big casinorelated money:
being that roulette is the most discussed topic in this thread, i will only tell the roulette version


1. Make sure you have a roulette wheel and all the other necessities for hosting a game of roulette.
2. Install small, remotly controlled, magnets in each number slot in the wheel. which you can activate/deactivate whenever you want through a small remote control. (You only need to have 2 buttons on the remote, 1 for all the "black slot magnets" and 1 for all the "red slot magnets".
3. If most money is bet on say red, then you activate the magnets in all the black slots. this will ensure a much higher probability that the ball will stop in a black slot instead.
4. Attract people as best as you can, and make them spend big money.
Sounds a bit stupid. If the magnets are very strong, anyone watching the ball will easily be able to tell that the wheel is rigged. But if the magnets are weak, they won't be effective at trapping the ball. In any case, if you can achieve steps 1 and 4 then you can make money without having this elaborate electromagnetic system, just by exploiting the statistical arbitrage.
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Or you can read between the lines and see I was not being serious, despite my oh, so clever ideas.

However, If you didn't catch it, there is one thing serious about that post - I do love magnets. They're really awesome.

That is all.
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Played about 30 welcome bonuses a few months ago and earned 2700e. I've never really liked gambling but this easy money I couldn't skip. Took 52 hours to play them through. I might continue in summer vacation though the bonuses are not that easy anymore.
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a month ago or so i won $250 on slot machines in las vegas. there's a saying about luck in games and something about love right?...
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Re: Have you lost big in casino?

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~40 welcome bonuses behind from past 3 months or so, up 2800e and rising
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Abula and now you? how the fuck did you do it? what is a welcome bonus? ;D
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Some nice info can be found here:

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lol @ the guy that said he has never seen more than 22-24 red or black numbers in a row
i deal roullette for a living, i have twice spun more than 30 consequtive black numbers, as yet never over 30 consecutive red numbers but hopefully one day i will get on a crazy run
and if you win at a casino wd, the house advantage on the games is so small, the casino makes there money on massive amounts of turnover,
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Because I know very well these, I can tell you that the odds of having one color 33 times in a row is 1/2³², which is 1/4 294 967 296 if I remember well. Yep, I hoyled that too when I was younger :lol:
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ShadowMissrouti wrote:Because I know very well these, I can tell you that the odds of having one color 33 times in a row is 1/2³², which is 1/4 294 967 296 if I remember well. Yep, I hoyled that too when I was younger :lol:
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